we have a bunch of PnR players on this team, and we run the fewest PnR plays in the league.
It just reminds me of when Rambis tried to run the system in Mini, the roster was young and dumb.
Phil picked fisher because he's young, smart and has a excellent relationship with the players through out the league, they respect him, and he's a positive voice all the time. His problem is that he has no identity, so his team has no identity. His rotation is too deep at this point of the season.
My biggest question so far this season, Is phil sitting in on these practices and not saying a word?
Blame what on fisher? We just started the zen build, we are nascent stages, what will you blame him for?
We will be alright Knicks will be great book it. We are due
I just want to ride the young players if we are truly tanking to see which one might turn out to be the star. Out of THJ, Larkin, Wear, Acy, and Cleantony, I have a feeling one of them may turn out to be special. Play them heavy minutes with Carmelo and Calderon; at the end,if we only win 20 games I will be happy.
I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Or "Can you fit a team of clowns into a VW Bug?"
franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
Knicks1969 wrote:I just want to ride the young players if we are truly tanking to see which one might turn out to be the star. Out of THJ, Larkin, Wear, Acy, and Cleantony, I have a feeling one of them may turn out to be special. Play them heavy minutes with Carmelo and Calderon; at the end,if we only win 20 games I will be happy.
2014-win 20 games to win a high draft pick who has zero fundamentals (probably a stiff of a big man that shoots mid range jumpers only), but a bunch of talent (if were absolutely lucky), marc gasol goes else where to a contender, in fact no star is coming to a rebuilding team with just melo.
2015- win 30 games with a mosh posh squad on 1 yr deals, protecting cap space for durant, and no draft pick, durant stays in OKC or goes to DC to play with the "pass first" john wall, and we get some 2nd tier star
2016 Win 40 games, make it to the first round Melo breaks down.
2017-trade our 2015 draft pick for a aging star to get melo a second fading star..
yep we need that high draft pick so things can resume to normal mediocracy..
Mediocrity is what we do best
gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best
true even then they're certain games where we can't even do that right 
knicks1248 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I just want to ride the young players if we are truly tanking to see which one might turn out to be the star. Out of THJ, Larkin, Wear, Acy, and Cleantony, I have a feeling one of them may turn out to be special. Play them heavy minutes with Carmelo and Calderon; at the end,if we only win 20 games I will be happy.
2014-win 20 games to win a high draft pick who has zero fundamentals (probably a stiff of a big man that shoots mid range jumpers only), but a bunch of talent (if were absolutely lucky), marc gasol goes else where to a contender, in fact no star is coming to a rebuilding team with just melo.
2015- win 30 games with a mosh posh squad on 1 yr deals, protecting cap space for durant, and no draft pick, durant stays in OKC or goes to DC to play with the "pass first" john wall, and we get some 2nd tier star
2016 Win 40 games, make it to the first round Melo breaks down.
2017-trade our 2015 draft pick for a aging star to get melo a second fading star..
yep we need that high draft pick so things can resume to normal mediocracy..
Losing is certainly NOT my first choice. I want to win pronto, but we can never be a winner with the players we current are giving heavy minutes to right now. I want to win 40 games and make it to the playoffs, but can you actually see Knicks winning with Carmelo, Shump, Smith, and stoudamire? That won't happen.
gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best
You think we're mediocre?!
Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Moonangie wrote:Yet another in the lineage of Knicks1969 idiotic threads. Dude, why do you bother starting more hater threads? Do you think an experienced HC would want to be under Jax in a tanking year (or at all)?Get a clue, man.
Mark Jackson and many others wanted the Job. You are the one who needs to get a clue.
And Mark Jax is going to run the team to Phil's specifications?
Kerr im sure was told "its gonna suck, you'll lose the first year but little pressure, you'll be away from family, but you'll get paid!
Kerr is buddies with GS owner, its president worked for Suns previously and the Roster is ready now. Same money. No brainer.
Fish gets chance to learn on the fly, work for the Zen master, get paid, and no pressure year one. Good gig!!
Nalod is one of the most astute posters on this forum. This is exactly right. Fisher will be legit, but he needs to go thru some learnin pains. Some fans are getting desperate, but there's no avoiding the process. I like what we got from Jax on down, as long as Jimmy Douche stays away.
Knicks1969 wrote:Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Moonangie wrote:Yet another in the lineage of Knicks1969 idiotic threads. Dude, why do you bother starting more hater threads? Do you think an experienced HC would want to be under Jax in a tanking year (or at all)?Get a clue, man.
Mark Jackson and many others wanted the Job. You are the one who needs to get a clue.
And Mark Jax is going to run the team to Phil's specifications?
Kerr im sure was told "its gonna suck, you'll lose the first year but little pressure, you'll be away from family, but you'll get paid!
Kerr is buddies with GS owner, its president worked for Suns previously and the Roster is ready now. Same money. No brainer.
Fish gets chance to learn on the fly, work for the Zen master, get paid, and no pressure year one. Good gig!!
I will not dispute that. Dude, I actually don't mind losing; I just don't want to lose with JR, Amare, and Bargnani. I want the young boys to develop, and I want the guys who might be around a while to get minutes to learn the TRIANGLE. As long as Wear, THJ, and Larkin are getting heavy minutes, I will be a huge supporter of Fisher. Show me what tomorrow might look like
Now you're talkin. Totally agree with you...let's develop the yoots this year. Melo should be on spa-level duty.
smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best
You think we're mediocre?!
We can actually win with what we have if managed properly. Instead of running triangle offense, run the offense currently San Antonio is using. Swing the ball around which forces defenses to spread and put Carmelo and Amare in the low post to feast. Spread the floor with shooters.
knicks1248 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I just want to ride the young players if we are truly tanking to see which one might turn out to be the star. Out of THJ, Larkin, Wear, Acy, and Cleantony, I have a feeling one of them may turn out to be special. Play them heavy minutes with Carmelo and Calderon; at the end,if we only win 20 games I will be happy.
2014-win 20 games to win a high draft pick who has zero fundamentals (probably a stiff of a big man that shoots mid range jumpers only), but a bunch of talent (if were absolutely lucky), marc gasol goes else where to a contender, in fact no star is coming to a rebuilding team with just melo.
2015- win 30 games with a mosh posh squad on 1 yr deals, protecting cap space for durant, and no draft pick, durant stays in OKC or goes to DC to play with the "pass first" john wall, and we get some 2nd tier star
2016 Win 40 games, make it to the first round Melo breaks down.
2017-trade our 2015 draft pick for a aging star to get melo a second fading star..
yep we need that high draft pick so things can resume to normal mediocracy..
This is certainly possible, but it's a worst case scenario you posting. But yeah, might go down like that. Let's hope Phil don't play that game.
smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best
You think we're mediocre?!
good point we are worst than mediocre. We need to trade for Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings to get back to mediocrity
Knicks1969 wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best
You think we're mediocre?!
We can actually win with what we have if managed properly. Instead of running triangle offense, run the offense currently San Antonio is using. Swing the ball around which forces defenses to spread and put Carmelo and Amare in the low post to feast. Spread the floor with shooters.
Saying this current roster could, oh you know, just play like, um, SAN ANTONIO is like saying the Ramones would have revolutionized quantum physics if they had simply set their minds to it.
Knicks have played the easiest schedule in the NBA(according to radio) and are 4-14. Our Dec schedule is pretty tough.
newyorknewyork wrote:Knicks have played the easiest schedule in the NBA(according to radio) and are 4-14. Our Dec schedule is pretty tough.
We may win 2-4 games this month, that's probably it. So 6-24 to 8-22 is the range of records I see at the end of the month. I'm hoping we can do that the rest of the way. The best we can hope for is a .200 record as nobody is catching Philly. It's between us, the Bobcats and Detroit mostly. The Bobcats will probably do at least a little better. The Lakers and Minny may be in the hunt too.
My guess is we'll have the 3rd or 4th worst record at the end of the season. I'm pulling for 2nd or 3rd and some ping pong luck.
Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
I don't think any system can work, even with the personnel. I mean, 90's Knicks no longer would work.
The way the game is called, you almost have to have speedy wings that can penetrate at will and solid outside shooting.
I don't know if the triangle is the best option in today's NBA - and my doubt also takes into account the talent & IQ typically available, and specifically on our roster.
