Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
I don't think any system can work, even with the personnel. I mean, 90's Knicks no longer would work.
The way the game is called, you almost have to have speedy wings that can penetrate at will and solid outside shooting.
I don't know if the triangle is the best option in today's NBA - and my doubt also takes into account the talent & IQ typically available, and specifically on our roster.
franco12 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
I don't think any system can work, even with the personnel. I mean, 90's Knicks no longer would work.
The way the game is called, you almost have to have speedy wings that can penetrate at will and solid outside shooting.
I don't know if the triangle is the best option in today's NBA - and my doubt also takes into account the talent & IQ typically available, and specifically on our roster.
That is going to be the most difficult challenge Phil is gonna face I think
Splat wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best
You think we're mediocre?!
We can actually win with what we have if managed properly. Instead of running triangle offense, run the offense currently San Antonio is using. Swing the ball around which forces defenses to spread and put Carmelo and Amare in the low post to feast. Spread the floor with shooters.
Saying this current roster could, oh you know, just play like, um, SAN ANTONIO is like saying the Ramones would have revolutionized quantum physics if they had simply set their minds to it.
What's our record if we bring Stan Van Gundy in?
Look, talent is sparse- and we have a lot of flawed, overlapping marginal talents.
But I do believe we should be better than our record, and with a more seasoned coach and more traditional system that might be more accessible to the BB IQ level of this squad (e.g., knuckleheads), we'd have more than 4 wins- like 5 or 8 or in that range. Still bad, but perhaps a tad more respectable.
Vmart wrote:I'm not blaming him, he is executing a plan to perfection.
Respectively u must be talking bouts a plan
For NY losing 2nd most games to Philly Sixers all season.. all day
All month long!
I am sorry folks....fisher is the head of this team, he shoulder all of the blames. Our players mirrored His nonchalant attitude on the sideline. It is still early in his coaching career, but you simply can't motivate players with that passive look he is exhibiting.
franco12 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
I don't think any system can work, even with the personnel. I mean, 90's Knicks no longer would work.
The way the game is called, you almost have to have speedy wings that can penetrate at will and solid outside shooting.
I don't know if the triangle is the best option in today's NBA - and my doubt also takes into account the talent & IQ typically available, and specifically on our roster.
Other than Jackson, no other coach has ever been successful coaching the triangle. We don't have the players to run it, and I don't believe Fisher can coach it either.
Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
I don't think any system can work, even with the personnel. I mean, 90's Knicks no longer would work.
The way the game is called, you almost have to have speedy wings that can penetrate at will and solid outside shooting.
I don't know if the triangle is the best option in today's NBA - and my doubt also takes into account the talent & IQ typically available, and specifically on our roster.
Other than Jackson, no other coach has ever been successful coaching the triangle. We don't have the players to run it, and I don't believe Fisher can coach it either.
19 games in and your ready to throw in the towel?
Astute.
Actually your right. We don't have the players. Now.
As for your belief, well you may be right. But He is not getting fired this year. Nor next.
Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
I don't think any system can work, even with the personnel. I mean, 90's Knicks no longer would work.
The way the game is called, you almost have to have speedy wings that can penetrate at will and solid outside shooting.
I don't know if the triangle is the best option in today's NBA - and my doubt also takes into account the talent & IQ typically available, and specifically on our roster.
Other than Jackson, no other coach has ever been successful coaching the triangle. We don't have the players to run it, and I don't believe Fisher can coach it either.
19 games in and your ready to throw in the towel?Astute.
Actually your right. We don't have the players. Now.
As for your belief, well you may be right. But He is not getting fired this year. Nor next.
But can you imagine what a foul, snarling beast Dolan will be in his next incarnation if we suck next year? His emergence from the bowels of MSG will be like an epic WWF entrance. If Dolan pulls the plug on Fisher and then Phil after two years, the voodoo will be thick and deep for a long time.
Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:franco12 wrote:I think the key question is this: 'Is the triangle a viable offensive system in today's NBA'
Any system can work in the NBA. You just need to have the right talents to fit within it to make it a success. If Pau Gasol were to accept Phil's offer, we would have won a lot more games thus far. He is a consummate passer in the low post, and can score with the best of them. We simply don't have the horses to run the system
I don't think any system can work, even with the personnel. I mean, 90's Knicks no longer would work.
The way the game is called, you almost have to have speedy wings that can penetrate at will and solid outside shooting.
I don't know if the triangle is the best option in today's NBA - and my doubt also takes into account the talent & IQ typically available, and specifically on our roster.
Other than Jackson, no other coach has ever been successful coaching the triangle. We don't have the players to run it, and I don't believe Fisher can coach it either.
19 games in and your ready to throw in the towel?Astute.
Actually your right. We don't have the players. Now.
As for your belief, well you may be right. But He is not getting fired this year. Nor next.
I don't want him fired. I want him to get better as a coach
You can hire 90 genius mechanics to fix a lemon and it will still be a lemon
mreinman wrote:You can hire 90 genius mechanics to fix a lemon and it will still be a lemon
We can't even make lemonade
AT this point he's worse than woodson, every game including preseason, he's just grasping for straws. No plan whats so ever, line ups are created minutes before the game, minute distribution is as random as a clearing house sweepstake winner. We have 5 coaches that are suppose to be triangle GURU's, but are passive and stuck in box.
Coaches are suppose to maximize talent not diminish it, and sink any value you once had in a player. You couldn't trade THJ now for Darko milic.
He is a rookie coach and he doesnt have much talent on the team. Not defending him at all but i want to see what he does next year with hopefully more talent( especially on defense) along with a top draft pick
knicks1248 wrote:AT this point he's worse than woodson, every game including preseason, he's just grasping for straws. No plan whats so ever, line ups are created minutes before the game, minute distribution is as random as a clearing house sweepstake winner. We have 5 coaches that are suppose to be triangle GURU's, but are passive and stuck in box.Coaches are suppose to maximize talent not diminish it, and sink any value you once had in a player. You couldn't trade THJ now for Darko milic.
Maybe the coaches are doing everything right! They are doing it according to a plan. We were told it would take a good part of the season to get it down.
I think its reasonable to try different lineups and see which players are responding to the new system and in which combonations. I think its reasonable to see which players are worth holding on to and which are better to let go or trade.
Player values are not like the stock market where a few good games raise value. Gm's scout and know who they'd like. Same for phil. He might have a big old list of players he'd like for the triangle and some of them are also not integral part of there current teams. Some might see some of our guys as valuable for what they want to do.
Losing sucks but its a learning experience and teaching opportunity.
If after 20 games a fan wants to abandon the system I'd say it would be foolish to react prematurly and to install a new system mid season is also not a good idea.
This season HAD TO HAPPEN!!!! Its how we draft, its how we change the culture, its how we turn the ship around. Took years to mess it up, the talent was not in place for a coaching change to make a difference.
My only griefs about fisher thus far are his lack of energy on the sideline and his minute distribution. He is coaching THJ by giving him a short leash, but when you don't have a viable veteran on the bench to help the young player to recognize the message the coach is trying to convey, the message often falls to deaf ears. It is vital for a rookie coach like fisher to have a veteran player on the bench to help him. I urge Phil to find an older player like a Kendrick Perkins or Nick Collison from OKC who is familiar with Fisher "the player" to be on the bench. It does not have to be a marquee player.
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:AT this point he's worse than woodson, every game including preseason, he's just grasping for straws. No plan whats so ever, line ups are created minutes before the game, minute distribution is as random as a clearing house sweepstake winner. We have 5 coaches that are suppose to be triangle GURU's, but are passive and stuck in box.Coaches are suppose to maximize talent not diminish it, and sink any value you once had in a player. You couldn't trade THJ now for Darko milic.
Maybe the coaches are doing everything right! They are doing it according to a plan. We were told it would take a good part of the season to get it down.
I think its reasonable to try different lineups and see which players are responding to the new system and in which combonations. I think its reasonable to see which players are worth holding on to and which are better to let go or trade.
Player values are not like the stock market where a few good games raise value. Gm's scout and know who they'd like. Same for phil. He might have a big old list of players he'd like for the triangle and some of them are also not integral part of there current teams. Some might see some of our guys as valuable for what they want to do.
Losing sucks but its a learning experience and teaching opportunity.
If after 20 games a fan wants to abandon the system I'd say it would be foolish to react prematurly and to install a new system mid season is also not a good idea.
This season HAD TO HAPPEN!!!! Its how we draft, its how we change the culture, its how we turn the ship around. Took years to mess it up, the talent was not in place for a coaching change to make a difference.
Cole and Wear essentially got NBA deals off of a few good games, or a few good plays. You will never be successful with out stability, I don't care if we have an all star roster.
Imagine working different hours every single day..sometimes, grave yard shift, early morning shift, 1 hr shift, 6 hr shift, your body would never get used to that and your life would be chaotic. On top of that your learning a new system and have no clue what your role is.
It's just basic 101 sht thats killing fish and the team. The talent isn't great, but it isn't down right horrible like our record. You have an 11 time championship president, this is unacceptable on any level, throw away season or not, ppl pay big money to watch this trashy game plan.
Does fisher think anybody on this team knows their role
knicks1248 wrote:Does fisher think anybody on this team knows their role
We don't have any savvy players or smart vets- doesn't matter who the coach is or what system they try to implement if you don't have players who are able to understand and execute. Usually I'd say a coach should adapt their system to the players they do have, but as the goal now is lottery, it's better to stick with the system and try to establish it for the longer term.
And all this crap about no one has managed to have success with the triangle without MJ, Phil or Kobe- take a look at the rosters and the crap Rambis and Cleamons had to work with- no system was going to get the post MJ bulls or the Kahn era Twolves to win games.
smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Does fisher think anybody on this team knows their role
We don't have any savvy players or smart vets- doesn't matter who the coach is or what system they try to implement if you don't have players who are able to understand and execute. Usually I'd say a coach should adapt their system to the players they do have, but as the goal now is lottery, it's better to stick with the system and try to establish it for the longer term.
And all this crap about no one has managed to have success with the triangle without MJ, Phil or Kobe- take a look at the rosters and the crap Rambis and Cleamons had to work with- no system was going to get the post MJ bulls or the Kahn era Twolves to win games.
Foster or not, nô one other then Phil has ever won more then 30 games running the triangle. It is a fact.
