Dude he moved Jr Smith.... nuff said
Now let's move Melo and we should be alright, jk. I just hope Phil can turn him into a winner. It's gonna be tough with that diva. Have faith in Jax though.
There's a difference between hating on Phil and hating what he did last off-season. He bowled gutter after gutter last off-season but yesterday's trade was at least a spare.
PHil is ridding the non-believers. Banished are the geometry faithless!!!!!
Full bore dump on those two. Cultural revolution continues.
Bonn1997 wrote:There's a difference between hating on Phil and hating what he did last off-season. He bowled gutter after gutter last off-season but yesterday's trade was at least a spare.
Well he brought in role players. Technically the role players are doing what he brought then here to do. It's our core players that keep stinking up the place.
Shump and JR are probably going to play great in Cleveland.....but guess what? They were cancers here. See ya!
the problem I have with the trade is we basically paid out in a way to dump JR, and the truth is, he was a mistake of our own creation- he should never have been signed to the deal he was given.
I know it wasn't Phil's mistake, and you have to give him credit for cleaning up.
I think some of the hate directed at Phil is more about hate for past bad management- much related to Dolan.
Are we going to think in 2-3 years that Melo's contract was just a version of JR? Paid for past performance, but light on future value?
franco12 wrote:the problem I have with the trade is we basically paid out in a way to dump JR, and the truth is, he was a mistake of our own creation- he should never have been signed to the deal he was given.I know it wasn't Phil's mistake, and you have to give him credit for cleaning up.
I think some of the hate directed at Phil is more about hate for past bad management- much related to Dolan.
Are we going to think in 2-3 years that Melo's contract was just a version of JR? Paid for past performance, but light on future value?
that's exactly what people will think... along with those who think that now. in fact, the idea of rewarding someone for what they did in the past-- and what did melo do again?-- is wrong-headed.
franco12 wrote:the problem I have with the trade is we basically paid out in a way to dump JR, and the truth is, he was a mistake of our own creation- he should never have been signed to the deal he was given.I know it wasn't Phil's mistake, and you have to give him credit for cleaning up.
I think some of the hate directed at Phil is more about hate for past bad management- much related to Dolan.
Are we going to think in 2-3 years that Melo's contract was just a version of JR? Paid for past performance, but light on future value?
JR.. I mean he's as frustrating as it gets but 3 years at $6mm per for a guy who seemed to be peeking and just won 6th man of the year on a 54 win team was not a bad contract. Certainly he cashed in and didnt live up to that contract, but if we are being fair that contract was earned. It (like everything else) was a swing and miss last two years. I think this trade is much better than the Tyson trade. Tyson had legit value. What is Iman's value? We werent resigning him and who wants a guy who is so totally inconsistent on both ends? What do you think Shump signs for over the summer?
phil made a not so good deal in what he got for chandler. not signing melo also woulda been a cool thing. but this is kinda the problem in the nba, which is that you have to make ALL the right moves. One, two slip ups and it takes years, decades to get out from under.
fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:the problem I have with the trade is we basically paid out in a way to dump JR, and the truth is, he was a mistake of our own creation- he should never have been signed to the deal he was given.I know it wasn't Phil's mistake, and you have to give him credit for cleaning up.
I think some of the hate directed at Phil is more about hate for past bad management- much related to Dolan.
Are we going to think in 2-3 years that Melo's contract was just a version of JR? Paid for past performance, but light on future value?
JR.. I mean he's as frustrating as it gets but 3 years at $6mm per for a guy who seemed to be peeking and just won 6th man of the year on a 54 win team was not a bad contract. Certainly he cashed in and didnt live up to that contract, but if we are being fair that contract was earned. It (like everything else) was a swing and miss last two years. I think this trade is much better than the Tyson trade. Tyson had legit value. What is Iman's value? We werent resigning him and who wants a guy who is so totally inconsistent on both ends? What do you think Shump signs for over the summer?
I agree. There were several posters who wanted to let JR walk - I forget where I stood at the time. I suspect that the deal he signed may have been to make up for the earlier deal he signed to join us.
Shump needed to break out this year, and for the first ten games it looked like he would.
Then he got hurt. There are some athletes that can't stay healthy, and I suspect he is one. I wish him luck, but yes, I doubt he signs for more than the vet minimum unless he explodes with the Cavs.
My only criticism of Phil is for the hiring of a rookie who has never coached in his life to guide a team like the Knicks. He should have chosen someone else. As for the trades, I am happy JR and Shump are no longer around. I want him to do something with Amare, Jayson Smith, and Bargnani next.
Knicks1969 wrote:My only criticism of Phil is for the hiring of a rookie who has never coached in his life to guide a team like the Knicks. He should have chosen someone else. As for the trades, I am happy JR and Shump are no longer around. I want him to do something with Amare, Jayson Smith, and Bargnani next.
Do you remember his reasoning and explanation of the Fisher hiring and Kerr pursuit? He explained it pretty clearly. You may disagree but there was transparency with that hiring
Haha... OK, I guess he is putting in work... glad he reads UK and is nimble enough to respond!
They were premadonna's...bad for team chemistry. Addition by subtraction.
Bonn1997 wrote:There's a difference between hating on Phil and hating what he did last off-season. He bowled gutter after gutter last off-season but yesterday's trade was at least a spare.
Naaahhh he didn't gutter but left a horrible split
Without picking up the spare
I know for a fact had he moved Tyson with Smith in yesterday's trade
And got back say 2 2019 2nd round picks you would be clowning the trade
He traded a guy in Shumpert who was apparently worth a 1st round pick last year for a 2019 2nd round pick and an extra $2M in cap space this offseason.
F500ONE wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:There's a difference between hating on Phil and hating what he did last off-season. He bowled gutter after gutter last off-season but yesterday's trade was at least a spare.
Naaahhh he didn't gutter but left a horrible split
Without picking up the spare
I know for a fact had he moved Tyson with Smith in yesterday's trade
And got back say 2 2019 2nd round picks you would be clowning the trade
Huh?
People can guess what Shump might have been traded for but they can't prove that a team was willing to give a 1st rd pick for him. Just like they can't prove Tyson could've brought back more. These kinds of statements are passed off as fact when they are not. The FACT is that Phil now has at least $30 mil in cap space this summer and he still has a chance to create more space.
We need to move on from his moves before the season and how the team played this year. It didn't work, so he flushed it!!! People were hating on Phil for not using analytics and they were wrong. The Knicks org has key guys who are into advanced metrics. People here have assumed that Phil had gotten himself stuck and again they were wrong.
Player 2015/16
Carmelo Anthony $22,875,000
Jose Calderon $7,402,812
Pablo Prigioni $1,734,572
Tim Hardaway Jr $1,304,520
Cleanthony Early $845,059
TOTALS: $34,161,963Team Options
Quincy Acy $1,181,348
Travis Wear $1,045,059
nixluva wrote:People can guess what Shump might have been traded for but they can't prove that a team was willing to give a 1st rd pick for him. Just like they can't prove Tyson could've brought back more. These kinds of statements are passed off as fact when they are not. The FACT is that Phil now has at least $30 mil in cap space this summer and he still has a chance to create more space. We need to move on from his moves before the season and how the team played this year. It didn't work, so he flushed it!!! People were hating on Phil for not using analytics and they were wrong. The Knicks org has key guys who are into advanced metrics. People here have assumed that Phil had gotten himself stuck and again they were wrong.
Player 2015/16
Carmelo Anthony $22,875,000
Jose Calderon $7,402,812
Pablo Prigioni $1,734,572
Tim Hardaway Jr $1,304,520
Cleanthony Early $845,059
TOTALS: $34,161,963Team Options
Quincy Acy $1,181,348
Travis Wear $1,045,059
OKC offered one of their 1st round picks last year in a trade for Shump. That's a fact.
nixluva wrote:People can guess what Shump might have been traded for but they can't prove that a team was willing to give a 1st rd pick for him. Just like they can't prove Tyson could've brought back more. These kinds of statements are passed off as fact when they are not. The FACT is that Phil now has at least $30 mil in cap space this summer and he still has a chance to create more space. We need to move on from his moves before the season and how the team played this year. It didn't work, so he flushed it!!! People were hating on Phil for not using analytics and they were wrong. The Knicks org has key guys who are into advanced metrics. People here have assumed that Phil had gotten himself stuck and again they were wrong.
Player 2015/16
Carmelo Anthony $22,875,000
Jose Calderon $7,402,812
Pablo Prigioni $1,734,572
Tim Hardaway Jr $1,304,520
Cleanthony Early $845,059
TOTALS: $34,161,963Team Options
Quincy Acy $1,181,348
Travis Wear $1,045,059
that sounds familiar
VCoug wrote:nixluva wrote:People can guess what Shump might have been traded for but they can't prove that a team was willing to give a 1st rd pick for him. Just like they can't prove Tyson could've brought back more. These kinds of statements are passed off as fact when they are not. The FACT is that Phil now has at least $30 mil in cap space this summer and he still has a chance to create more space. We need to move on from his moves before the season and how the team played this year. It didn't work, so he flushed it!!! People were hating on Phil for not using analytics and they were wrong. The Knicks org has key guys who are into advanced metrics. People here have assumed that Phil had gotten himself stuck and again they were wrong.
Player 2015/16
Carmelo Anthony $22,875,000
Jose Calderon $7,402,812
Pablo Prigioni $1,734,572
Tim Hardaway Jr $1,304,520
Cleanthony Early $845,059
TOTALS: $34,161,963Team Options
Quincy Acy $1,181,348
Travis Wear $1,045,059
OKC offered one of their 1st round picks last year in a trade for Shump. That's a fact.
it was a rumor with legs for sure... and I think the day it came out Shump went on his annual DL stint for an extended period of time
