This is a hard time to be a Knicks fan, I was hoping we could try to list things that are actually positive right now. I'll give it a go.
Hate him or love him, we do still have one of the best scorers in the game signed. Our (future) team isn't completely devoid of talent.
+ We have the bench filled out for next year.
+ top draft pick coming.
+ money for free agency
+ young players with potential to get better
+ We have a system, with a GM who will do his best to protect his legacy.
+ We have an owner who likes to spend money....And he's willing to take a back seat and let Phil drive.
+ 30 million in cap space.
+ Top 4 pick.
+ Melo is one of the best scorers in the game.
+ Superstars would love to be the key guy that turned this ship around!
the draft pick is plenty reason for optimism... if we get towns.. we are going to be very competitive next year... how good we are depends on whoever else we throw out ...
+When he's not injured, Carmelo can usually score 25+ points if you give him the ball and GTFO of his way.
How's this for optimism?
Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
The Knicks aren't trading picks to chase the 8th seed. They are bringing picks back in trades. The Knicks are using the d league the right way.
Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Splat wrote:Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Shouldn't this post be in the 'we suck thread'?
CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Shouldn't this post be in the 'we suck thread'?
Pardon me. I should have phrased myself better.
+We suck the best
CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Shouldn't this post be in the 'we suck thread'?
Yep....its the newbie.....hes trying to feel his way around.....I remember those days when i attacked Briggs for being so negative Lol. Its called growing pains.
Splat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Shouldn't this post be in the 'we suck thread'?
Pardon me. I should have phrased myself better.
+We suck the best
Which is what you want if you are rebuilding and you have a pick.
CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Shouldn't this post be in the 'we suck thread'?
Pardon me. I should have phrased myself better.
+We suck the best
Which is what you want if you are rebuilding and you have a pick.
Sure, if you have an actual rebuilding plan, not an ad hoc clusterfuk where you bid against yourself for an over the hill mediocre volume scorer like Melo as your centerpiece. Actual rebuilds strip things down. And it gets decent draft picks back for what they gut. Neither of which happened. This regime started off on the wrong foot. It will be a frankenstein team, not a true rebuild.
Splat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Shouldn't this post be in the 'we suck thread'?
Pardon me. I should have phrased myself better.
+We suck the best
Which is what you want if you are rebuilding and you have a pick.
Sure, if you have an actual rebuilding plan, not an ad hoc clusterfuk where you bid against yourself for an over the hill mediocre volume scorer like Melo as your centerpiece. Actual rebuilds strip things down. And it gets decent draft picks back for what they gut. Neither of which happened. This regime started off on the wrong foot. It will be a frankenstein team, not a true rebuild.
so are you saying the Knicks shouldn't be trying to get the #1 pick because their rebuilding plan doesn't fit your parameters?
CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Splat wrote:Stevo718 wrote:How's this for optimism?Draft Russell... Sign Marc Gasol... Then sign Durant.
Gasol
Durant
Melo
??? (THJ)
Russell
Least likely line-up possible.
Gasol isn't coming.
And the idea of putting Durant next to Melo makes zero sense. Durant is better, but they do not complement each other at all unless Melo becomes the 6th man.
Shouldn't this post be in the 'we suck thread'?
Pardon me. I should have phrased myself better.
+We suck the best
Which is what you want if you are rebuilding and you have a pick.
Sure, if you have an actual rebuilding plan, not an ad hoc clusterfuk where you bid against yourself for an over the hill mediocre volume scorer like Melo as your centerpiece. Actual rebuilds strip things down. And it gets decent draft picks back for what they gut. Neither of which happened. This regime started off on the wrong foot. It will be a frankenstein team, not a true rebuild.
so are you saying the Knicks shouldn't be trying to get the #1 pick because their rebuilding plan doesn't fit your parameters?
Nooo. I'm saying there is a whole lot of cognitive dissonance occurring in the Knicks fan base right now where people expect to land a star in this draft + land significant free agents and this is will gel with Melo and other stray pick-ups into something competitive.
Tanking now is really the only option and even if Phil has mostly eff'd things up so far, as least he showed a modicum of common sense and said it's on me and basically conceded they are now tanking.
But it is not a rebuild. That's what I said. It's the same old disorganized scrambling and band-aid BS approach this organization has always had. Phil was a spineless toad when he puffed up his chest about not overpaying Melo and then caved like a wimp and overpaid a really ineffectual player whose sole attribute is volume scoring.
Giving a player whose career has already peaked the top salary in the league is not rebuilding my friend. It's Dolan redux.
Plus a rebuild doesn't center itself around a 30 year old with a dozen years of wear and tear who has led the league in minutes.
I said from the very beginning Melo would break down. Here we are. We're breaking down already and people want to call it a rebuild?
Jackson is not the master of this situation, so the hook in the storyline some are still biting on like sucker fish about Phil having a plan is a laugh riot. Jackson showed his hand early on he's all bluster and little sense and Dolan remains his master.
Rebuild? LOL
If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.
Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.
AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS
If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.
But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.
No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.
Splat wrote:If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.
AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS
If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.
But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.
No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.
I think Phil did urge Melo to take a paycut publicly. However lets face it dolan pretty much made the melo decision so Phil had no leverage.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Splat wrote:If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.
AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS
If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.
But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.
No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.
I think Phil did urge Melo to take a paycut publicly. However lets face it dolan pretty much made the melo decision so Phil had no leverage.
Yes, that is what I said. It was all lip service and quite phony. Phil is not in charge.
Splat wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Splat wrote:If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.
AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS
If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.
But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.
No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.
I think Phil did urge Melo to take a paycut publicly. However lets face it dolan pretty much made the melo decision so Phil had no leverage.
Yes, that is what I said. It was all lip service and quite phony. Phil is not in charge.
Well i do think he is in charge of everything else, However when it comes to melo the buck stops with dolan
Finally we REALLY suck and start taking advantage of it. Exiting...
StarksEwing1 wrote:Splat wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Splat wrote:If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.
AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS
If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.
But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.
No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.
I think Phil did urge Melo to take a paycut publicly. However lets face it dolan pretty much made the melo decision so Phil had no leverage.
Yes, that is what I said. It was all lip service and quite phony. Phil is not in charge.
Well i do think he is in charge of everything else, However when it comes to melo the buck stops with dolan
That's like saying other than the hole in the side of the ship the Titanic is still a seaworthy vessel.
