well BRIGGS...i respect your opinion, so id never say that anything you say is stupid. it might be outside the box but not stupid.
but id have to respectfully disagree with ALL MY HEART AND SOUL. No performance by any player on this team can be taken seriously. theyre tanking and not playing hard. I dont care if bargnani continues to put up these hollow empty numbers. He's that dude that no winner can have on your team. hes a joke. is he a BAD player? besides his defense and allergy to rebounding - NO. Dude has skills and can score. but hes injury prone and is a walking JOKE! He represents all that the old regime was and what were trying to move on from. I dont hate the guy but he symbolizes the ineptitude of the previous regime. Hes a constant reminder of the STUPID choices this team as made. I dont want him on the team when in 2016 Ben simmons is drafted and becomes a franchise player. Its a slap in the face and a reminder to knick fans
- to me he wears the scarlet letter.
He's been terrible every year for his entire career including this one. He can't shoot, he has no post game, he can't pass, he can't make quick decisions, he can't rebound, he can't defend. He literally can't make a single positive contribution on the court. He's fucking terrible even on a vet minimum.
For the mother of all things that are holy the Knicks must resign Bargs. They already squandered their greatest chance at rebuilding by letting Amare walk away without nailing him down to another long-term contract starting next season. The Knicks cannot afford to blow this opportunity.
the problem with bargs is that he only seems to play well when he's the focal point of the offense. he's thriving right now and looking great, but once melo is back and we sign a bunch of FAs, i think he would go back to be 3rd and 4th option and i'm not so sure he does enough when he's not scoring to warrant another contract from us.
briggs, youre never stupid though, as ned said.. you think outside of the box and that's a good thing.. can't hit a hr with them all lol.
Not for 4 million but i would definitely bring him back on a cheaper contract. Maybe 2.5 or 3 million.
some other team will talk themselves into giving him a full MLE deal. He's better than Darko or JJ1....
nyk4ever wrote:the problem with bargs is that he only seems to play well when he's the focal point of the offense. he's thriving right now and looking great, but once melo is back and we sign a bunch of FAs, i think he would go back to be 3rd and 4th option and i'm not so sure he does enough when he's not scoring to warrant another contract from us.briggs, youre never stupid though, as ned said.. you think outside of the box and that's a good thing.. can't hit a hr with them all lol.
Bargs played well with melo when he was healthy so i don't agree that he can't play not being the focal point and i don't think when people say he can't rebound that they realize how far out he plays from the basket. He's not a under the basket center he's more of a 12 to 18 foot from the basket power forward and of course when you're playing away from the basket you're not gonna have great rebounding numbers. Now his defense is where all the bad happens. He's not horrible playing one on one but his help defense or team defense is bad.
newyorker4ever wrote:Not for 4 million but i would definitely bring him back on a cheaper contract. Maybe 2.5 or 3 million.
Too much. For room & board only.
People seem to really exaggerate when it comes to Bargs. This is only his 2nd season here but you'd think he was here as long as STAT. I see no reason to say no to a one yr contract like that. Jason Smith was also coming off an injury riddled season but actually had surgery. Bargs hasn't had surgery and just seems to need a good off season conditioning program. Bargs has yet to go under the knife but you'd think he's had all this work.
My guess is that he may just be a decent option where there are very few who can produce on this level for cheap. In his career he's shown to be more productive the more you use him. That's not a bad thing if you know that and keep him involved. I think he'd be fine next to a kid like Towns.
Bargs is actually a good man-to-man defender. But he's lazy on team D, he's inconsistent at shooting unless he gets a lot of takes (probably a lack of practice/prep), and he's got a reputation as a loser who doesn't give a damn.
That said, we should weigh our options and definitely sign him if he's the best available value. He has offensive skills we need and he's a big, which don't grow on trees.
Not sure $4mil is the right figure, but the market would decide that anyway.
my thoughts (on not resigning him) have nothing to do with actual basketball on the court. to me hes a symbol of the disorganized past. a reminder of the 2016 draft pick that we wont have. that's my ain reason for getting rid of him. He can ball, i think he could help a team off the bench - if utilized properly
If he keeps playing well, he is just too good a fit for the triangle imo, to not take him back for 4 million. That would be the max though and I'd try to get him for a discount.
He's terrible AND injury prone! How many games has he even managed to play for us out of 160?
I just want to cut ties with Bargs.
earthmansurfer wrote:If he keeps playing well, he is just too good a fit for the triangle imo, to not take him back for 4 million. That would be the max though and I'd try to get him for a discount.
That's how I feel about it. If he will stay for cheap then you gave to keep him. The guy is valuable especially with better talent around him. Bargs can score and his defense can be masked with better talent around. Melo, Bargs and okafor is already better especially if we were to get guard help via free agency or trade
Pretty close in voting.
Here's my take.
We signed Jason Smith for basically the same price. Jason Smith is NO where near as good as Bargs and we essentially gave him the same deal (1yr 3.5mm)
We have 0 ZERO signed frontcourt players. To keep flexible, we need to spend atleast 1/3 of our cap space on 1 year rentals. This ASSURES us of having material cap space going 4 ward which is CRUCIAL even with the salary cap going up. I do not see doing much better than Bargs at 1 year 4mm. We need pro players at every position. The only way to do that is to spend less and ask for more. It really is. We need to identify players who cost less and can play over their contracts. This keeps us flexible and guys on smaller contracts play harder(most of the time) and are easier to move. If somoen can think of a frontcourt player better than bargs for 4mm Id like to hear it.
Thing about AB is he is never played well unless he is utilized as a TOP 2 threat with over 30minutes
Even if he is given that, he is never going to be consistent, he will have good games with horrible games
He isn't a good 3pt shooter for a stretch 4/5, while he uses the pump fake to beat his man off the dribble if they contend him, either to the rim or for a pull up
He has never been a good rebounder, defender, high % and highly efficient player, and when we already have CA with similar weakness's, can we really afford to have another player with such weakness's?
It comes back down to who we draft, how we contstruct our team, and what player CA will be in the next couple of years after this surgery.....
If EVERY OPTION and I mean EVERY Option has declined us or cannot be done, then yes.
Jason Smith was a bad move and is not worth 3m. Bargs is barely worth the vet min and that is not an exaggeration.
yellowboy90 wrote:Jason Smith was a bad move and is not worth 3m. Bargs is barely worth the vet min and that is not an exaggeration.
Actually Jason Smith has played quite well since the Shump and JR trade- certainly value at 1 year, $3mil. Don't want him back though!
yellowboy90 wrote:Jason Smith was a bad move and is not worth 3m. Bargs is barely worth the vet min and that is not an exaggeration.
LOL. Sure a player on this Earth who can avg 20 points in the NBA is a vet min player:)
