Papabear Says
I think Phil Jackson will rur it by Melo because it's his team to lead and they want to keep him happy and full of hope.
Screw Carmelo. We may be his hostage because we can't trade him, but he's stuck here.
Let him pout if he doesn't like something.
Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI think Phil Jackson will rur it by Melo because it's his team to lead and they want to keep him happy and full of hope.
If that's the way Phils planning on running things, he should leave right now.
Come on now. Let's not go off on a tangent about something this ridiculous. Why in the world would Phil need Melo's approval on which player to pick in the draft or how to rebuild this team. He can inform Melo, but he's not gonna require Melo to sign off on the players. I can't imagine any GM being able to make that work. Perhaps if this was about making a trade and bringing in a player a GM would consider how his best player feels. I think this isn't a situation where it would be practical to involve Melo in the decision making.
It's not like they're gonna draft a player to play his position. Whoever they pick is going to be at a different spot which should complement not only Melo but fill a need that helps the entire team.
Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI think Phil Jackson will rur it by Melo because it's his team to lead and they want to keep him happy and full of hope.
Does Phil have to confer with melo when he needs to go to the bathroom?
nixluva wrote:Come on now. Let's not go off on a tangent about something this ridiculous. Why in the world would Phil need Melo's approval on which player to pick in the draft or how to rebuild this team. He can inform Melo, but he's not gonna require Melo to sign off on the players. I can't imagine any GM being able to make that work. Perhaps if this was about making a trade and bringing in a player a GM would consider how his best player feels. I think this isn't a situation where it would be practical to involve Melo in the decision making. It's not like they're gonna draft a player to play his position. Whoever they pick is going to be at a different spot which should complement not only Melo but fill a need that helps the entire team.
Why? Five years of Melo and you question fans who has serious reservations about Melo's influence on personnel decisions? I'd say you must be joking, but I know you're not. Go ahead and tell us in your white-washed version of reality how Phil has firewalled Melo off from the executive suite and that they will make all of their key decisions without a dialogue with Melo and his consigliores.
Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:Come on now. Let's not go off on a tangent about something this ridiculous. Why in the world would Phil need Melo's approval on which player to pick in the draft or how to rebuild this team. He can inform Melo, but he's not gonna require Melo to sign off on the players. I can't imagine any GM being able to make that work. Perhaps if this was about making a trade and bringing in a player a GM would consider how his best player feels. I think this isn't a situation where it would be practical to involve Melo in the decision making. It's not like they're gonna draft a player to play his position. Whoever they pick is going to be at a different spot which should complement not only Melo but fill a need that helps the entire team.
Why? Five years of Melo and you question fans who has serious reservations about Melo's influence on personnel decisions? I'd say you must be joking, but I know you're not. Go ahead and tell us in your white-washed version of reality how Phil has firewalled Melo off from the executive suite and that they will make all of their key decisions without a dialogue with Melo and his consigliores.
Perhaps they can ask Melo for his entire plan to revamp the roster. Perhaps you think Melo has a desk in the front office and goes to all of their meetings. It's just not how things work. I'm sure they may keep him abreast of certain things and would let him know what they decide. Phil is too old school for that sort of thing IMO.
nixluva wrote:Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:Come on now. Let's not go off on a tangent about something this ridiculous. Why in the world would Phil need Melo's approval on which player to pick in the draft or how to rebuild this team. He can inform Melo, but he's not gonna require Melo to sign off on the players. I can't imagine any GM being able to make that work. Perhaps if this was about making a trade and bringing in a player a GM would consider how his best player feels. I think this isn't a situation where it would be practical to involve Melo in the decision making. It's not like they're gonna draft a player to play his position. Whoever they pick is going to be at a different spot which should complement not only Melo but fill a need that helps the entire team.
Why? Five years of Melo and you question fans who has serious reservations about Melo's influence on personnel decisions? I'd say you must be joking, but I know you're not. Go ahead and tell us in your white-washed version of reality how Phil has firewalled Melo off from the executive suite and that they will make all of their key decisions without a dialogue with Melo and his consigliores.
Perhaps they can ask Melo for his entire plan to revamp the roster. Perhaps you think Melo has a desk in the front office and goes to all of their meetings. It's just not how things work. I'm sure they may keep him abreast of certain things and would let him know what they decide. Phil is too old school for that sort of thing IMO.
Again, you make statements about what you want to believe people are instead of going by their behavior in the past.
Melo shown no inhibitions about influencing key decisions and Phil did everything but kiss Melo's butt so far.
Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:Come on now. Let's not go off on a tangent about something this ridiculous. Why in the world would Phil need Melo's approval on which player to pick in the draft or how to rebuild this team. He can inform Melo, but he's not gonna require Melo to sign off on the players. I can't imagine any GM being able to make that work. Perhaps if this was about making a trade and bringing in a player a GM would consider how his best player feels. I think this isn't a situation where it would be practical to involve Melo in the decision making. It's not like they're gonna draft a player to play his position. Whoever they pick is going to be at a different spot which should complement not only Melo but fill a need that helps the entire team.
Why? Five years of Melo and you question fans who has serious reservations about Melo's influence on personnel decisions? I'd say you must be joking, but I know you're not. Go ahead and tell us in your white-washed version of reality how Phil has firewalled Melo off from the executive suite and that they will make all of their key decisions without a dialogue with Melo and his consigliores.
Perhaps they can ask Melo for his entire plan to revamp the roster. Perhaps you think Melo has a desk in the front office and goes to all of their meetings. It's just not how things work. I'm sure they may keep him abreast of certain things and would let him know what they decide. Phil is too old school for that sort of thing IMO.
Again, you make statements about what you want to believe people are instead of going by their behavior in the past.
Melo shown no inhibitions about influencing key decisions and Phil did everything but kiss Melo's butt so far.
Speaking as a man who has run companies and been an executive, there's no logic to the idea that I would let even my best employee make company decisions. Oh I might ask them what they thought if I felt they had something to offer, but in the end i'd be doing only what I determined was best for the company as a whole and not just one person. There's no reason to think Melo's input is necessary in making a draft choice. That draft choice may become the face of the franchise and long after Melo is gone that player could still be here representing the franchise. This is bigger than Melo.
Melo is not an ordinary employee in view of the Knicks management and I bet Phil instead of getting the Melo's stamp, he will get the endorsement from Melo.
Jordan didn't want the Bulls to trade Charles Oakley. He was furious about the fact they traded him for Bill Cartwright. Phil was the one who convinced Krause to make the trade! Krause had drafted Oakley and didn't want to make the deal. It was Phil who explained why it was necessary. So Phil has a history of making purely basketball decisions regardless of what his star player may want.
When Jackson was Bulls coach he lobbied constantly for the Bulls to trade Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright. General manager Jerry Krause was much against it because he’d drafted Oakley. Jordan was bitterly opposed because Oakley was his physical protector against the cheap shot Detroit tactics and Oakley was his closest friend. But with Doug Collins’ support the Bulls made the trade — Krause deserves the credit for doing so as he didn’t have to as the final voice — and Jordan would later admit he didn’t know if the Bulls could have won without Cartwright to hold off the top East centers then, like Patrick Ewing, Brad Daugherty, James Edwards and Robert Parish.In the Bulls’ second threepeat, it was Jackson who lobbied everyone for Dennis Rodman. Krause had said Rodman should never be a Bull. But Jackson had persuaded everyone the need to, as he then said, “fetch the ball” was vital to success.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/phil-jacks...
stopstandthere wrote:Melo is not an ordinary employee in view of the Knicks management and I bet Phil instead of getting the Melo's stamp, he will get the endorsement from Melo.
That is where you are wrong. Phil will do the thinking for the franchise. Melo is a ball player he got his money. JR Smith and Melo are tight and he dumped Smith. Phil is the star here not Melo he is the one with the rings not Melo.
No. We ignored him and drafted Shumpert instead of... whoever he had asked us to draft (I forget who at this point). I think the whole thing with Melo and personnel decisions I think has been overblown because of CAA. Never though CAA's influence was because of Melo but because of Dolan.
CAA is big in the music industry and Dolan thinks he's a musician. One of CAA's clients is The Eagles. When The Eagles went on tour recently, completely by coincidence I'm sure, Dolan's bad happened to open for them. That's where CAA's influence comes from, not Melo.
VCoug wrote:No. We ignored him and drafted Shumpert instead of... whoever he had asked us to draft (I forget who at this point). I think the whole thing with Melo and personnel decisions I think has been overblown because of CAA. Never though CAA's influence was because of Melo but because of Dolan. CAA is big in the music industry and Dolan thinks he's a musician. One of CAA's clients is The Eagles. When The Eagles went on tour recently, completely by coincidence I'm sure, Dolan's bad happened to open for them. That's where CAA's influence comes from, not Melo.
Melo is more a follower I don't see him as a player that would demand who he wants to play with. Give Melo four guys and roll the ball out and he will play win or lose without complaint.
Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:Come on now. Let's not go off on a tangent about something this ridiculous. Why in the world would Phil need Melo's approval on which player to pick in the draft or how to rebuild this team. He can inform Melo, but he's not gonna require Melo to sign off on the players. I can't imagine any GM being able to make that work. Perhaps if this was about making a trade and bringing in a player a GM would consider how his best player feels. I think this isn't a situation where it would be practical to involve Melo in the decision making. It's not like they're gonna draft a player to play his position. Whoever they pick is going to be at a different spot which should complement not only Melo but fill a need that helps the entire team.
Why? Five years of Melo and you question fans who has serious reservations about Melo's influence on personnel decisions? I'd say you must be joking, but I know you're not. Go ahead and tell us in your white-washed version of reality how Phil has firewalled Melo off from the executive suite and that they will make all of their key decisions without a dialogue with Melo and his consigliores.
There's a difference between walling off Melo and letting him make personnel decisions. No grey area for you,huh?
Jax has 11 chips. Melo has zero. I think we have the right guy making the decisions. He'll let Melo know what he's gonna do, and Melo can take it or leave (preferably the latter, to Lakers for their 1st rounder).
Vmart wrote:VCoug wrote:No. We ignored him and drafted Shumpert instead of... whoever he had asked us to draft (I forget who at this point). I think the whole thing with Melo and personnel decisions I think has been overblown because of CAA. Never though CAA's influence was because of Melo but because of Dolan. CAA is big in the music industry and Dolan thinks he's a musician. One of CAA's clients is The Eagles. When The Eagles went on tour recently, completely by coincidence I'm sure, Dolan's bad happened to open for them. That's where CAA's influence comes from, not Melo.
Melo is more a follower I don't see him as a player that would demand who he wants to play with. Give Melo four guys and roll the ball out and he will play win or lose without complaint.
this could not be further from the truth.
mreinman wrote:Vmart wrote:VCoug wrote:No. We ignored him and drafted Shumpert instead of... whoever he had asked us to draft (I forget who at this point). I think the whole thing with Melo and personnel decisions I think has been overblown because of CAA. Never though CAA's influence was because of Melo but because of Dolan. CAA is big in the music industry and Dolan thinks he's a musician. One of CAA's clients is The Eagles. When The Eagles went on tour recently, completely by coincidence I'm sure, Dolan's bad happened to open for them. That's where CAA's influence comes from, not Melo.
Melo is more a follower I don't see him as a player that would demand who he wants to play with. Give Melo four guys and roll the ball out and he will play win or lose without complaint.
this could not be further from the truth.
Are you saying Melo is a leader? Melo is a follower always has been and always will be. Melo is a happy go lucky smile on the face guy.
Vmart wrote:mreinman wrote:Vmart wrote:VCoug wrote:No. We ignored him and drafted Shumpert instead of... whoever he had asked us to draft (I forget who at this point). I think the whole thing with Melo and personnel decisions I think has been overblown because of CAA. Never though CAA's influence was because of Melo but because of Dolan. CAA is big in the music industry and Dolan thinks he's a musician. One of CAA's clients is The Eagles. When The Eagles went on tour recently, completely by coincidence I'm sure, Dolan's bad happened to open for them. That's where CAA's influence comes from, not Melo.
Melo is more a follower I don't see him as a player that would demand who he wants to play with. Give Melo four guys and roll the ball out and he will play win or lose without complaint.
this could not be further from the truth.
Are you saying Melo is a leader? Melo is a follower always has been and always will be. Melo is a happy go lucky smile on the face guy.
he is not a leader yet certainly makes sure that he has a say in personnel decisions as stupid as they are.
mreinman wrote:Vmart wrote:mreinman wrote:Vmart wrote:VCoug wrote:No. We ignored him and drafted Shumpert instead of... whoever he had asked us to draft (I forget who at this point). I think the whole thing with Melo and personnel decisions I think has been overblown because of CAA. Never though CAA's influence was because of Melo but because of Dolan. CAA is big in the music industry and Dolan thinks he's a musician. One of CAA's clients is The Eagles. When The Eagles went on tour recently, completely by coincidence I'm sure, Dolan's bad happened to open for them. That's where CAA's influence comes from, not Melo.
Melo is more a follower I don't see him as a player that would demand who he wants to play with. Give Melo four guys and roll the ball out and he will play win or lose without complaint.
this could not be further from the truth.
Are you saying Melo is a leader? Melo is a follower always has been and always will be. Melo is a happy go lucky smile on the face guy.
he is not a leader yet certainly makes sure that he has a say in personnel decisions as stupid as they are.
Melo will make suggestions but no one takes him seriously. You have to have the pulse of the team to make suggestions that are valid. Melo doesn't have a pulse of his team such as a LeBron, Jordan or Magic Johnson would of his team.
The predicament Knicks will end up with if they get 1st Round 1st Pick: Okafor or Towns.
