Knicks · THE 2015 NBA playoff thread (page 36)

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

Come on...Looks better when u take it like a man..

take what? How silly your chest bump is coming across? How good old school adridge is?

How Harden is having a more efficient off season that most superstars can dream of?

You seem like a guy who can make excuses for each epic fail for melo yet they look quite silly when you start digging and good players without you quirky malformed logic.

Harden is super super star that may lose. Then you can say "ha! I knew it. He is no good. Seeeee?"

really dude?

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

Come on...Looks better when u take it like a man..

take what? How silly your chest bump is coming across? How good old school adridge is?

How Harden is having a more efficient off season that most superstars can dream of?

You seem like a guy who can make excuses for each epic fail for melo yet they look quite silly when you start digging and good players without you quirky malformed logic.

Harden is super super star that may lose. Then you can say "ha! I knew it. He is no good. Seeeee?"

really dude?

The game has changed completely. If you would like to still find anomalies that make you feel like they shouldn't have, then make your points and we can argue them.

Are you saying that Harden is having a bad playoffs? I am sure that you are not, so what are you saying? That they are honing him on him?

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting advanced stat of the night, and highly ironic:

deandre jordan 6-7 fg, 14-34 ft, for a 59.2TS%

the hack a jordan doesn't stop him from being efficient.

And that's your deduction???..Not maybe these numbers are meaningless??Not completely asinine??

yeah ... proves that its assinine.

mreinman wrote:not sensitive (and not that young) just more open minded and I am not ready to pull my pants up to my neck and sit back and complain about how they don't make em like they use to.

The game has changed completely. If you would like to still find anomalies that make you feel like they shouldn't have, then make your points and we can argue them.

Are you saying that Harden is having a bad playoffs? I am sure that you are not, so what are you saying? That they are honing him on him?

So it is your belief that ATL, GS, and Houston losing their series is an anomaly..Do you have any evidence of these type of teams winning any Championships..I will counter by saying that what's happening now is very normal and its how it's been happening for a very long time..

Harden is having a bad series..I'm looking at how he looks within the team construct..They can't win with him dominating the ball..So McHale tried to change it up and it didn't work..They have some things to consider in the offseason because this series is over..

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting advanced stat of the night, and highly ironic:

deandre jordan 6-7 fg, 14-34 ft, for a 59.2TS%

the hack a jordan doesn't stop him from being efficient.

And that's your deduction???..Not maybe these numbers are meaningless??Not completely asinine??

yeah ... proves that its assinine.

Well going at 14-34 is anything but efficient, maybe u can enlighten me..

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:not sensitive (and not that young) just more open minded and I am not ready to pull my pants up to my neck and sit back and complain about how they don't make em like they use to.

The game has changed completely. If you would like to still find anomalies that make you feel like they shouldn't have, then make your points and we can argue them.

Are you saying that Harden is having a bad playoffs? I am sure that you are not, so what are you saying? That they are honing him on him?

So it is your belief that ATL, GS, and Houston losing their series is an anomaly..Do you have any evidence of these type of teams winning any Championships..I will counter by saying that what's happening now is very normal and its how it's been happening for a very long time..

Harden is having a bad series..I'm looking at how he looks within the team construct..They can't win with him dominating the ball..So McHale tried to change it up and it didn't work..They have some things to consider in the offseason because this series is over..

Houston has a sh1tty team and yes, dhow is way overrated. Maybe josh smith can save them?

Atlanta is good but nobody great. They would have to be another detroit (a team that won without a star)

GS is young and will improve. When did jordan win again?

These teams are all playing good or better teams.

The clippers are better than Houston and its not close. Houston has one big advantage that keeps them alive, james harden. The clippers beat the SA superpower!

You make analytics argument in a hoover vacuum cleaner.

Using metrics gives you an advantage, not the win. And that is why all teams pretty much use them right now.

Who are the players that are considered stats guys that are failing? And eveybody fails lots of the time.

I have heard all the excuses for players who fail ALL the time.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting advanced stat of the night, and highly ironic:

deandre jordan 6-7 fg, 14-34 ft, for a 59.2TS%

the hack a jordan doesn't stop him from being efficient.

And that's your deduction???..Not maybe these numbers are meaningless??Not completely asinine??

yeah ... proves that its assinine.

Well going at 14-34 is anything but efficient, maybe u can enlighten me..

do/read the math.

and make sure that you are valuing the shots and points correctly.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:not sensitive (and not that young) just more open minded and I am not ready to pull my pants up to my neck and sit back and complain about how they don't make em like they use to.

The game has changed completely. If you would like to still find anomalies that make you feel like they shouldn't have, then make your points and we can argue them.

Are you saying that Harden is having a bad playoffs? I am sure that you are not, so what are you saying? That they are honing him on him?

So it is your belief that ATL, GS, and Houston losing their series is an anomaly..Do you have any evidence of these type of teams winning any Championships..I will counter by saying that what's happening now is very normal and its how it's been happening for a very long time..

Harden is having a bad series..I'm looking at how he looks within the team construct..They can't win with him dominating the ball..So McHale tried to change it up and it didn't work..They have some things to consider in the offseason because this series is over..

Houston has a sh1tty team and yes, dhow is way overrated. Maybe josh smith can save them?

Atlanta is good but nobody great. They would have to be another detroit (a team that won without a star)

GS is young and will improve. When did jordan win again?

These teams are all playing good or better teams.

The clippers are better than Houston and its not close. Houston has one big advantage that keeps them alive, james harden. The clippers beat the SA superpower!

You make analytics argument in a hoover vacuum cleaner.

Using metrics gives you an advantage, not the win. And that is why all teams pretty much use them right now.

Who are the players that are considered stats guys that are failing? And eveybody fails lots of the time.

I have heard all the excuses for players who fail ALL the time.

DHow has been to the Finals already, so you can't write him off..These teams need to improve their defenses..The all need an interior game..You can't count in the threes in the playoff because everyone is playing d out there..Those shots are now more difficult..That won't change, guys always play harder in the playoffs..

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting advanced stat of the night, and highly ironic:

deandre jordan 6-7 fg, 14-34 ft, for a 59.2TS%

the hack a jordan doesn't stop him from being efficient.

And that's your deduction???..Not maybe these numbers are meaningless??Not completely asinine??

yeah ... proves that its assinine.

Well going at 14-34 is anything but efficient, maybe u can enlighten me..

do/read the math.

and make sure that you are valuing the shots and points correctly.

Yeah I do math..that's 41% shooting..pretty shiety no matter what rose colored glasses you are wearing...But dk7 will say, a win is a win..

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:not sensitive (and not that young) just more open minded and I am not ready to pull my pants up to my neck and sit back and complain about how they don't make em like they use to.

The game has changed completely. If you would like to still find anomalies that make you feel like they shouldn't have, then make your points and we can argue them.

Are you saying that Harden is having a bad playoffs? I am sure that you are not, so what are you saying? That they are honing him on him?

So it is your belief that ATL, GS, and Houston losing their series is an anomaly..Do you have any evidence of these type of teams winning any Championships..I will counter by saying that what's happening now is very normal and its how it's been happening for a very long time..

Harden is having a bad series..I'm looking at how he looks within the team construct..They can't win with him dominating the ball..So McHale tried to change it up and it didn't work..They have some things to consider in the offseason because this series is over..

Houston has a sh1tty team and yes, dhow is way overrated. Maybe josh smith can save them?

Atlanta is good but nobody great. They would have to be another detroit (a team that won without a star)

GS is young and will improve. When did jordan win again?

These teams are all playing good or better teams.

The clippers are better than Houston and its not close. Houston has one big advantage that keeps them alive, james harden. The clippers beat the SA superpower!

You make analytics argument in a hoover vacuum cleaner.

Using metrics gives you an advantage, not the win. And that is why all teams pretty much use them right now.

Who are the players that are considered stats guys that are failing? And eveybody fails lots of the time.

I have heard all the excuses for players who fail ALL the time.

DHow has been to the Finals already, so you can't write him off..These teams need to improve their defenses..The all need an interior game..You can't count in the threes in the playoff because everyone is playing d out there..Those shots are now more difficult..That won't change, guys always play harder in the playoffs..

yeah thats where it would help if howard was not such a dud. A dud that once was less of a DUD.

do you even know half the players on this team?

prigs is running the show part of the time ... how nice.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting advanced stat of the night, and highly ironic:

deandre jordan 6-7 fg, 14-34 ft, for a 59.2TS%

the hack a jordan doesn't stop him from being efficient.

And that's your deduction???..Not maybe these numbers are meaningless??Not completely asinine??

yeah ... proves that its assinine.

Well going at 14-34 is anything but efficient, maybe u can enlighten me..

do/read the math.

and make sure that you are valuing the shots and points correctly.

Yeah I do math..that's 41% shooting..pretty shiety no matter what rose colored glasses you are wearing...But dk7 will say, a win is a win..

true shooting ?

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting advanced stat of the night, and highly ironic:

deandre jordan 6-7 fg, 14-34 ft, for a 59.2TS%

the hack a jordan doesn't stop him from being efficient.

And that's your deduction???..Not maybe these numbers are meaningless??Not completely asinine??

yeah ... proves that its assinine.

Well going at 14-34 is anything but efficient, maybe u can enlighten me..

do/read the math.

and make sure that you are valuing the shots and points correctly.

Yeah I do math..that's 41% shooting..pretty shiety no matter what rose colored glasses you are wearing...But dk7 will say, a win is a win..

true shooting ?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting advanced stat of the night, and highly ironic:

deandre jordan 6-7 fg, 14-34 ft, for a 59.2TS%

the hack a jordan doesn't stop him from being efficient.

And that's your deduction???..Not maybe these numbers are meaningless??Not completely asinine??

as i said it's "interesting." that means i am not sure what to make of it. it certainly had something to do with a blowout, no?

what do you make of it?

It means some stats on their own are worthless

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

When Melo was essentially trying to do it all alone, he still got blasted on these boards for the team not succeeding, so the same should go for Harden.

mreinman wrote:not sensitive (and not that young) just more open minded and I am not ready to pull my pants up to my neck and sit back and complain about how they don't make em like they use to.

The game has changed completely. If you would like to still find anomalies that make you feel like they shouldn't have, then make your points and we can argue them.

Are you saying that Harden is having a bad playoffs? I am sure that you are not, so what are you saying? That they are honing him on him?

This line, which many have been spouting all season, has been exposed as complete BS. This 'new ball' of which you speak is essentially just D'Antoni basketball.

Cavs vs Bulls.
- this series has been the most entertaining so far and should go 7
- nice shot by Lebron - dude def has some clutch moments but he's shooting horribly. he was 10-30 with 8 turnovers. Its obvious that hes trying to do everything by himself (westbrook style) since he has no help. He's simply calling isolation-plays and trying to take over
- P.Gasol being out actually HELPED the bulls defense. Unfortunately they didn't have enough offense. They need MVP Rose to put them over the top. So far he's played well and we've seen glimpses of his former self.
- in regards to that extra "timeout" provided by the replay; that can go both ways to help the offense AND defense. I think to be fair just have both teams congregate in the half court circle until the refs have finished
- Bulls NEED to take this series: how can you lose to a cavs team with no love, a hobbled shump and kyrie and role players? The TIME is NOW
- Lastly, with coach blatt - dude is trying to get himself fired by botching up these end of game situations and ADMITTING that he did. smh. Basically lebron is running things (on top of scoring passing defending). if thats the case, then coach your expendable

Clippers vs Houston.
- i thought this would be a more competitive series but houston has quit. they've played so poorly and the effort is so bad (they refuse to play transition def), that i think they should consider dissolving the team.
- DJordan = Dwight 6 yrs ago (without the post moves). He is simply outplaying his childhood hero
- Rivers took over for Cp3 and did ok. Now that CP3 is back and looking healthy; that can only help their depth
- too many one dimensional players for houston: harden/jet terry or players past their prime: dwight/ariza/josh or passive role players: jones/ariza
- they need a MVP-take-over-the-world-performance by harden. right now JJ redick is adequately guarding him (without help or fouling)
- this series is simply about how annoying the hack-a-player strategy is. whether it works or not; it slows down the game or flow and its not entertaining

Memphis vs Golden state
- i was completely wrong with this prediction only because i never thought conley would play. folks hes playing with a broken face and metal plates holding it together. any wrong move and his face will fall apart (literally). Now memphis has the wings to guard the splash brothers: conley, allen, lee
- in addition, the grizz has the size to combat the small pace and space lineup (6-6 green at PF)
- oakland has struggled with their shooting but the splash brothers are due. its the DEFENSE that has failed the warriors. again they dont have the size or rebounding to match.
- Kerr made some adjustments by staying small but doubling the post and forcing memphis to shoot (which they cant consistently). also they finally realized that allen CANT shoot. he should never be guarded. i think that should do the trick and i still think golden state will win the series

Atlanta vs Washington.
- again; shame on the hawks for not taking advantage of a tem without their best player. any team playing will bynum major minutes should not winning playoff games
- coach bud won coach of the yr for a great regular season. someone needs to get him the memo that this ISNT the regular season. therefore you should shorten your bench - not extend it. This is not the time to play jenkins and muscala (their 11th and 12th men)
- atlanta is at their best when theyre top 5 starters play TOGETHER.
- pierce has re-invented his career with the nets and now wiz by playing small 4. this allows otto porter to blossom and most important it allows the coach to bench one of his underachieving big men (nene or gortat)
- coach wittman gets a bad wrap. he gets his boys to play HARD and hes playing well against the #1 seed without his best player

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:grizzlies have had injury issues all season and are more or less healthy right now and gelling at the right time. good for them. i like players like conley and tony allen and gasol. all are somehow underrated.

interesting statement was made at some point of last night's broadcast, where someone said: "grizzlies [are one of the few team that] play playoff basketball during the regular season." this may not get you the best record or the highest seed but it apparently has its benefits. this is why it always pays to ask whether the team you root for looks like a playoff team or not.

"a win is a win" is false.

Gasol is not underrated..he put up some horrendous shots, much like Aldridge last night and he didn't have to..He won defensive player of the year when he wasn't even the best defensive player on his team...Gasol is a lot of things, underrated ain't one of them..

he has made only two all-star appearances in a seven-year career. what does that tell you?

It tells me that DHow has been injured at least two years

it tells me that style trumps substance in the nba all-star voting process, ie howard is overrated if gasol is not underrated.

DHow is a force when healthy..He took Orlamdo to the Finals..You might have forgotten..

yeah d-how is a force all right. getting blown the f out by the clips by 22 points as we speak.

Well it's McHale job to figure it out..Putting the ball in your boy Harden's hand all year to have teams shut that down in the playoffs, didn't work..Howard took a bad team to the Finals already..So he could come back next year and watch Harden dribble the air out the ball and see what happens..

dude they have jason terry starting. that'll put you in a hole on both ends of the floor. and for the record you and i agree on one thing which is that defense is paramount. rejoice. now all you need to do is see that the regular season is the jayvee season and that "a win is a win" is simply false in the regular season unless it is a win from a team that looks like a playoff team.

more fun facts from the advanced stat realm:

blake griffin 70%TS
jj redick 77%TS
rivers 66%TS
cp3 67%TS
jordan 59%TS

so you see that with true shooting percentage-- emphasis on "true"-- it does not matter how you get there so long as you are over 58% you are scoring very efficiently. to simplify matters for you, had jordan shot only 4-7 from the field instead of 6-7 his TS% would have plummeted to 50. had he gone 5-7 from the field, which is still good shooting, his TS would have gone down to a mediocre 54.6 which is carmelo anthony territory.

and did the rockets have an efficient scoring game collectively? absolutely not. the rockets were at 49TS% while the clippers were at an elite 59%TS.

the issue here, as i mentioned at the outset, is that houston's defense is turble.

and, as i mentioned elsewhere, bill russell has stated that the playoffs are about defense and matchups. what do you think is going on here in this series?