How GM got a bag of nada for him.
This could be the move that saved Cleveland
Based on the way he has played, we could have gotten 2 first rounders for him ala mozgov (well not really but ...)
Is our GM making bad moves or are all the GM's dealing with him just getting lucky?
A lot more than a 14yr old
ala a 2nd round pick from OKC in 2019
mreinman wrote:How GM got a bag of nada for him.This could be the move that saved Cleveland
Based on the way he has played, we could have gotten 2 first rounders for him ala mozgov (well not really but ...)
Is our GM making bad moves or are all the GM's dealing with him just getting lucky?
So where is the old trade threads people like to bring up?
yellowboy90 wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...mreinman wrote:so we got rid of JR's contract for next season. That is awesome!Shumpert was a worthless RFA gonner anyway
LOL.. love to see the response to that one
yellowboy90 wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...mreinman wrote:so we got rid of JR's contract for next season. That is awesome!Shumpert was a worthless RFA gonner anyway
I would make a terrible GM ... obviously
Its good that they don't pay me to be a GM ... or maybe if they would pay me, I would be less emotional and make moves while even keel
You can also find many posts of me saying that JR can be a top player in the league if he was not such a bonehead and played with better players.
I also now realize how good melo makes other players.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...mreinman wrote:so we got rid of JR's contract for next season. That is awesome!Shumpert was a worthless RFA gonner anyway
I would make a terrible GM ... obviously
Its good that they don't pay me to be a GM ... or maybe if they would pay me, I would be less emotional and make moves while even keel
You can also find many posts of me saying that JR can be a top player in the league if he was not such a bonehead and played with better players.
I also now realize how good melo makes other players.
gotta bring it back to melo... classic diversion.
nyk4ever wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...mreinman wrote:so we got rid of JR's contract for next season. That is awesome!Shumpert was a worthless RFA gonner anyway
I would make a terrible GM ... obviously
Its good that they don't pay me to be a GM ... or maybe if they would pay me, I would be less emotional and make moves while even keel
You can also find many posts of me saying that JR can be a top player in the league if he was not such a bonehead and played with better players.
I also now realize how good melo makes other players.
gotta bring it back to melo... classic diversion.
its always about Melo.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...mreinman wrote:so we got rid of JR's contract for next season. That is awesome!Shumpert was a worthless RFA gonner anyway
I would make a terrible GM ... obviously
Its good that they don't pay me to be a GM ... or maybe if they would pay me, I would be less emotional and make moves while even keel
You can also find many posts of me saying that JR can be a top player in the league if he was not such a bonehead and played with better players.
I also now realize how good melo makes other players.
NY Melo or Denver Melo?
JR went back to his Denver role and Shump has basically stayed his hot occasionally, hurt/injured, below avg player self.
I give the lack of nightlife, JR playing for money, and the phil Jackson chip on his shoulder.
As Ephus on KB likes to say, " There's two things about JR we all know, there is nothing he can't do on the basketball court and there is nothing he won't do on the basketball court."
the jr we had was not worth anything. sure, if we had traded him after his 6th man year, we maybe could have gotten a pick or two.
don't blame the GM, blame JR for playing like crap.
franco12 wrote:the jr we had was not worth anything. sure, if we had traded him after his 6th man year, we maybe could have gotten a pick or two.don't blame the GM, blame JR for playing like crap.
this
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP FG% Dist. 2P 0-3 3-10 10-16 16 3 3P 2P 0-3 3-10 10-16 16 3 3P %Astd %FGA Md. %Astd %3PA 3P% Att. Md.
2011-12 26 NYK NBA SG 35 967 .407 18.4 .523 .146 .084 .069 .225 .477 .462 .661 .265 .500 .396 .347 .306 .044 14 .836 .228 .364 6 0
2012-13 27 NYK NBA SG 80 2678 .422 16.4 .651 .169 .122 .096 .264 .349 .458 .640 .342 .375 .424 .356 .172 .024 26 .813 .156 .353 8 0
2013-14 28 NYK NBA SF 74 2421 .415 19.3 .497 .123 .066 .060 .249 .503 .436 .607 .381 .368 .382 .394 .198 .019 15 .905 .127 .426 10 0
2014-15 29 TOT NBA SG 70 2080 .417 19.9 .436 .106 .058 .062 .209 .564 .462 .563 .409 .340 .462 .383 .401 .023 13 .791 .192 .402 3 0
2014-15 29 NYK NBA SG 24 619 .402 17.8 .641 .131 .076 .092 .343 .359 .429 .545 .474 .217 .430 .356 .348 .012 2 .656 .111 .400 2 0
2014-15 29 CLE NBA SG 46 1461 .425 20.9 .333 .093 .050 .048 .143 .667 .494 .574 .360 .458 .500 .390 .446 .028 11 .824 .214 .403 1 0
nyk4ever wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...mreinman wrote:so we got rid of JR's contract for next season. That is awesome!Shumpert was a worthless RFA gonner anyway
I would make a terrible GM ... obviously
Its good that they don't pay me to be a GM ... or maybe if they would pay me, I would be less emotional and make moves while even keel
You can also find many posts of me saying that JR can be a top player in the league if he was not such a bonehead and played with better players.
I also now realize how good melo makes other players.
gotta bring it back to melo... classic diversion.
It is more about what James CAN do than what Anthony CANNOT do.
And even when he won the 6th Man award he ended his season on a bad note, at a time when the Knicks really needed him to step up He was more interested in hanging out with Rihanna (“His a– be hungover from clubbing every night during playoffs.”) than performing for the Knicks.
Now he has this in his life, and all is good: LeBron James: I’m J.R. Smith’s life coach
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JR in nyc was BAD news...he wasnt focused cuz he always went out.he admitted this himself. here in harlem, hed always be hanging out flirting with girls...like RIGHT BEFORE GAMES. now in boring cleveland he can stay inside and focus. also he has a great player to attract attention and pass to him. i have no problem getting rid of him. he wasn an embarrassment to the organization.
could we have gotten more? sure. but its done. he's gone
Breathtaking hypocrisy!
Also JRs value would have even further decreased if we hadn't traded him- everyone looks bad on a losing team, and he would have started acting up.
Players trade value isn't objective, it's subjective- if all the teams in the league think a players crap then it doesn't matter if they aren't, you won't get anything of value for them- that isn't Phil's fault.
Also Phil tried to give it a shot with JR and Shump. He didn't ship them off before the season. He did recognize that they had talent but he needed to see if they could actually excel in his system. Some may disagree with the idea of selecting a prescribed system rather than just playing to the players strengths but Phil has a purpose behind it. If you have a player like Lebron then it almost doesn't matter what system you run or if you even run any system at all. Lebron is the system basically!!! We don't have that luxury.
Phil is basically taking the approach of going with a known quantity. He knows his system and what kind of players should be successful in that system. He knows all of the roles and what kind of talent each of those roles requires. He couldn't control JR's desire or willingness to adapt and learn. That was up to JR. At this point Phil is going to bring in a new core group. JR is in a good spot for him and the same with Shump. I only care about what players we're going to bring in.
correct. If anything i wish we kept shumpert. at least he played defense and he had a work ethic. however he was too injury prone, couldnt shoot and he was starting to chirp behind the scenes. im still happy theyre gone and it doesnt surprise me that theyre playing well becuase both are talented. maybe we chouldve gottenmore but based on their play and resume at the time, they werent worth much
I don't care how well JR does for whoever the fuck. Fuck him and his brother. And his sorry ass should quit with that "one man's trash is another man's treasure" bullshyt! Just be happy we shipped you to fuckin Cleveland to contend for a ring.
skeng wrote:I don't care how well JR does for whoever the fuck. Fuck him and his brother. And his sorry ass should quit with that "one man's trash is another man's treasure" bullshyt! Just be happy we shipped you to fuckin Cleveland to contend for a ring.
yikes. a lil harsh. but i agree with your overall sentiments. lol
JR could go AWOL any minute like he did during the playoffs in our 54 win season. He had to be traded.
