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MONTA ELLIS TO OPT OUT OF DEAL WITH MAVS
The guard plans to opt out of the final year of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent July 1, Ellis' agent told ESPN's Chris Broussard. The Mavs are not expected to make a legitimate run at re-signing him.

I could see the Knicks chasing Ellis. I feel like he could play the Triangle and he's 29 to Melo's 30 - he'd be a sort of running partner for Melo.

Galloway
Monta Ellis
Melo
Monroe
WCS

He's good but he's definitely more of a volume scorer than an efficient scorer. His three point shooting is especially atrocious. You can have one volume scorer on your team but two winds up pushing it. Since we already have Melo, I say pass unless he comes at a significant discount.

crz--Norman Powell--can be had for minimal investment and plays D like Tony Allen. Has a similar offensive game as Monta but is developing a quality mid range game. He's also 6-4 215 with a 7 foot WS so he should be able to guard 1-3 . Doesnt need the ball in his hands as much as Monta.

Was a 61% 2FG shooter his sophomore year which is unheard of for a guard. The additional space in the NBA could make him a star.

Powell the more I watch him--the more I feel he could be the NUMBER 1 under rated player in this draft.

Crazy thing is that I read the Mavs said they would trade him if he opt in his final year...

I like Ellis, he is a baller. With Ellis as a known scorer, Carmelo would have a lot more guys around him that he can rely upon to put the ball in the basket. Specifically, if we also sign Monroe.

crzymdups wrote:MONTA ELLIS TO OPT OUT OF DEAL WITH MAVS
The guard plans to opt out of the final year of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent July 1, Ellis' agent told ESPN's Chris Broussard. The Mavs are not expected to make a legitimate run at re-signing him.

well he's low eff% and high usage so there will be a handful of guys from the advanced stats crowd who will look at his WS/48 and say this guy sucks, case closed, but there is more to him than that for sure.

His last couple years have been very good. Dal won 50 games starting him next to Jose 2 years ago. They won another 50 last year with more flux in the backcourt.

He's been healthy, 80 games a season in his last 3 years. He can really score and he gets a ton of steals.

I dont know... it depends on the fit. He's looking for his last big payday I assume. He turns 30 next year.. not the best shooter, more a scorer type. Depends on the other pieces around him. Monta can be a guy who volume shoots you out of games. He can also add valuable scoring if you dont have a ton.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:MONTA ELLIS TO OPT OUT OF DEAL WITH MAVS
The guard plans to opt out of the final year of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent July 1, Ellis' agent told ESPN's Chris Broussard. The Mavs are not expected to make a legitimate run at re-signing him.

well he's low eff% and high usage so there will be a handful of guys from the advanced stats crowd who will look at his WS/48 and say this guy sucks, case closed, but there is more to him than that for sure.

His last couple years have been very good. Dal won 50 games starting him next to Jose 2 years ago. They won another 50 last year with more flux in the backcourt.

He's been healthy, 80 games a season in his last 3 years. He can really score and he gets a ton of steals.

I dont know... it depends on the fit. He's looking for his last big payday I assume. He turns 30 next year.. not the best shooter, more a scorer type. Depends on the other pieces around him. Monta can be a guy who volume shoots you out of games. He can also add valuable scoring if you dont have a ton.

Yeah, I could see it working both ways. Monta has a great mid-range game though and he penetrates, so I could see him working in the Triangle. I could see him actually getting some better shots in the Triangle.

It's a very smart move for him to opt out. He's coming off a 20ppg season, he's 29 and he's one of the only all-star caliber guards on the FA market.

If you want an all-star level guard in FA, it's basically Monta or Dragic. Yes, I'd greatly prefer Dragic, but I think he's somewhat harder to get.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:MONTA ELLIS TO OPT OUT OF DEAL WITH MAVS
The guard plans to opt out of the final year of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent July 1, Ellis' agent told ESPN's Chris Broussard. The Mavs are not expected to make a legitimate run at re-signing him.

well he's low eff% and high usage so there will be a handful of guys from the advanced stats crowd who will look at his WS/48 and say this guy sucks, case closed, but there is more to him than that for sure.

His last couple years have been very good. Dal won 50 games starting him next to Jose 2 years ago. They won another 50 last year with more flux in the backcourt.

He's been healthy, 80 games a season in his last 3 years. He can really score and he gets a ton of steals.

I dont know... it depends on the fit. He's looking for his last big payday I assume. He turns 30 next year.. not the best shooter, more a scorer type. Depends on the other pieces around him. Monta can be a guy who volume shoots you out of games. He can also add valuable scoring if you dont have a ton.

I don't think he sucks. Sign him and trade Melo and I'm fine with it. jk

On the serious side, I think Melo needs high percentage shooters around him. When he had that, the Knicks were a much better team. I would prioritize that over Monta. But if we had that and Monta, I wouldn't complain either.

monroe and ellis might be good i said this a while back

dacash wrote:monroe and ellis might be good i said this a while back

I mean look at some options. Say you essentially spend on those two guys. Team could look like this moving foward:
PG Monta
SG Galloway
SF Porzingis
PF Melo
C Monroe
Monta and Galloway are going to get a ton of steals and can put some pressure on opposing guards on both ends of the floor. Monroe gets all his point blank but with that group you can see some very good floorspacing options.

If Fisher can push them to defend that could be an interesting group moving forward.

fishmike wrote:

dacash wrote:monroe and ellis might be good i said this a while back

I mean look at some options. Say you essentially spend on those two guys. Team could look like this moving foward:
PG Monta
SG Galloway
SF Porzingis
PF Melo
C Monroe
Monta and Galloway are going to get a ton of steals and can put some pressure on opposing guards on both ends of the floor. Monroe gets all his point blank but with that group you can see some very good floorspacing options.

If Fisher can push them to defend that could be an interesting group moving forward.

It's interesting, but I'm not sure how bad they'd be on defense. At best, decent?

crzymdups wrote:MONTA ELLIS TO OPT OUT OF DEAL WITH MAVS
The guard plans to opt out of the final year of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent July 1, Ellis' agent told ESPN's Chris Broussard. The Mavs are not expected to make a legitimate run at re-signing him.

His problem is he doesn't get along with all his teammates and that stuff can kill a locker room. If you want to build a winning team you have to have a team full of players that get along with each other and want to play with each other. I love his skills and what he brings on the court but i don't want a guy that's not a team player.

BRIGGS wrote:

crz--Norman Powell--can be had for minimal investment and plays D like Tony Allen. Has a similar offensive game as Monta but is developing a quality mid range game. He's also 6-4 215 with a 7 foot WS so he should be able to guard 1-3 . Doesnt need the ball in his hands as much as Monta.

Was a 61% 2FG shooter his sophomore year which is unheard of for a guard. The additional space in the NBA could make him a star.

Powell the more I watch him--the more I feel he could be the NUMBER 1 under rated player in this draft.

And why i you posting about yet another player you like in this draft in a Monte Ellis thread???

this would be so typical of the knicks to go after ellis..smh

fishmike wrote:

dacash wrote:monroe and ellis might be good i said this a while back

I mean look at some options. Say you essentially spend on those two guys. Team could look like this moving foward:
PG Monta
SG Galloway
SF Porzingis
PF Melo
C Monroe
Monta and Galloway are going to get a ton of steals and can put some pressure on opposing guards on both ends of the floor. Monroe gets all his point blank but with that group you can see some very good floorspacing options.

If Fisher can push them to defend that could be an interesting group moving forward.

That lineup looks great offensively but there's one guy that plays defense in that lineup and it's Gallo who we can't trust for much in his 2nd year.

BRIGGS wrote:

crz--Norman Powell--can be had for minimal investment and plays D like Tony Allen. Has a similar offensive game as Monta but is developing a quality mid range game. He's also 6-4 215 with a 7 foot WS so he should be able to guard 1-3 . Doesnt need the ball in his hands as much as Monta.

Was a 61% 2FG shooter his sophomore year which is unheard of for a guard. The additional space in the NBA could make him a star.

Powell the more I watch him--the more I feel he could be the NUMBER 1 under rated player in this draft.

Briggs you gotta stop overrating some of these guys. If he had a similar offensive game to Ellis, and played D like Tony Allen, he would be a top 3 pick in the draft. Allen is a premiere defender, one of the better in the past decade. If he is Ellis offense and Allen defense, then we take him at #4 and don't think twice, but obviously that's not happening.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crz--Norman Powell--can be had for minimal investment and plays D like Tony Allen. Has a similar offensive game as Monta but is developing a quality mid range game. He's also 6-4 215 with a 7 foot WS so he should be able to guard 1-3 . Doesnt need the ball in his hands as much as Monta.

Was a 61% 2FG shooter his sophomore year which is unheard of for a guard. The additional space in the NBA could make him a star.

Powell the more I watch him--the more I feel he could be the NUMBER 1 under rated player in this draft.

And why i you posting about yet another player you like in this draft in a Monte Ellis thread???

Norman Powell is a similar styled player who will cost 2mm over 3 years and is 10 years younger actually plays great D and is a bigger kid. If you have a problem with what i say--there is an ignore feature. Id rather spend 2mm on Powell than 50mm on Ellis even without the experience. We need young assets if we want to get into a trade market some day--we need something other than 30 year old players with massive contracts. Monta Ellis is not a good idea where the team is. He needs to transition out of the SL to 6th man.

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dacash wrote:monroe and ellis might be good i said this a while back

I mean look at some options. Say you essentially spend on those two guys. Team could look like this moving foward:
PG Monta
SG Galloway
SF Porzingis
PF Melo
C Monroe
Monta and Galloway are going to get a ton of steals and can put some pressure on opposing guards on both ends of the floor. Monroe gets all his point blank but with that group you can see some very good floorspacing options.

If Fisher can push them to defend that could be an interesting group moving forward.

That lineup looks great offensively but there's one guy that plays defense in that lineup and it's Gallo who we can't trust for much in his 2nd year.

Swap zinger for stein and you have a team similar to okc.

Ellis
Melo
Stein

Westbrook
DUrant
Ibaka

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dacash wrote:monroe and ellis might be good i said this a while back

I mean look at some options. Say you essentially spend on those two guys. Team could look like this moving foward:
PG Monta
SG Galloway
SF Porzingis
PF Melo
C Monroe
Monta and Galloway are going to get a ton of steals and can put some pressure on opposing guards on both ends of the floor. Monroe gets all his point blank but with that group you can see some very good floorspacing options.

If Fisher can push them to defend that could be an interesting group moving forward.

That lineup looks great offensively but there's one guy that plays defense in that lineup and it's Gallo who we can't trust for much in his 2nd year.

replace the sf with like winslow

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crz--Norman Powell--can be had for minimal investment and plays D like Tony Allen. Has a similar offensive game as Monta but is developing a quality mid range game. He's also 6-4 215 with a 7 foot WS so he should be able to guard 1-3 . Doesnt need the ball in his hands as much as Monta.

Was a 61% 2FG shooter his sophomore year which is unheard of for a guard. The additional space in the NBA could make him a star.

Powell the more I watch him--the more I feel he could be the NUMBER 1 under rated player in this draft.

Briggs you gotta stop overrating some of these guys. If he had a similar offensive game to Ellis, and played D like Tony Allen, he would be a top 3 pick in the draft. Allen is a premiere defender, one of the better in the past decade. If he is Ellis offense and Allen defense, then we take him at #4 and don't think twice, but obviously that's not happening.

Monta Ellis pick #40 2005
Tony Allen pick #25 2004

No Im not Im saying hes a late rd 1 early 2 pick These guys were picked on an average basis of 33. If scouts thought they were so good--why didnt they go pick #3? The science is wrong thats why you can find players like these guys late. Powell is just a product of playing on the west coast had a bad role under his former coach and UCLA was in flux this year. BUT if you really take a hard look at his skills--watched a couple of games--you know what kind of defender he could be and his offensive game is taylor made for the nBA.