Knicks · Official: New York Knicks 2015 Free Agency Thread (page 1)
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% WS WS/48 ▾
2 DeAndre Jordan C 26 LAC 71 2455 20.5 .641 10.6 .207
6 Marc Gasol C 30 MEM 70 2361 21.7 .561 9.1 .185
10 Alexis Ajinca C 26 NOP 56 816 20.1 .601 2.7 .162
13 Jeff Withey C 24 NOP 35 248 18.1 .570 0.8 .157
14 Bismack Biyombo C 22 CHO 51 887 15.0 .578 2.9 .154
15 Jerome Jordan C 28 BRK 41 366 16.8 .609 1.2 .151
18 Robin Lopez C 26 POR 46 1302 16.1 .564 4.0 .148
30 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 64 1780 19.5 .555 4.8 .130
31 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 64 1666 16.0 .554 4.4 .126
37 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 70 1162 13.6 .525 2.7 .111
40 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 37 476 11.0 .495 1.0 .1053 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 56 2180 21.0 .577 9.3 .204
12 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 69 2036 16.7 .588 6.7 .157
16 John Jenkins SG 23 ATL 18 190 15.9 .689 0.6 .150
19 Wesley Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .585 6.2 .148
22 Anthony Morrow SG 29 OKC 63 1504 14.2 .594 4.5 .145
27 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 2.2 .135
29 Goran Dragic SG-PG 28 TOT 67 2254 17.7 .580 6.2 .131
41 Marco Belinelli SG 28 SAS 51 1165 12.8 .557 2.5 .10225 Cory Joseph PG 23 SAS 67 1273 15.3 .565 3.7 .141
36 Brandon Knight PG-SG 23 TOT 62 2013 17.5 .547 4.7 .112
38 John Lucas PG 32 DET 12 140 14.9 .472 0.3 .1104 Jeremy Evans SF 27 UTA 28 144 18.1 .586 0.6 .190
5 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 52 1669 21.1 .551 6.5 .186
8 Draymond Green SF 24 GSW 71 2258 16.5 .543 7.9 .168
17 DeMarre Carroll SF 28 ATL 60 1887 15.1 .594 5.8 .148
39 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 71 1374 13.9 .513 3.1 .1091 Brandan Wright PF 27 TOT 66 1214 21.6 .681 5.7 .227
7 LaMarcus Aldridge PF 29 POR 61 2180 22.8 .528 7.6 .168
9 Kevin Love PF 26 CLE 67 2296 18.9 .556 8.0 .167
11 Paul Millsap PF 29 ATL 67 2218 19.9 .568 7.5 .162
20 Greg Monroe PF 24 DET 64 1991 21.0 .548 6.1 .148
21 Tristan Thompson PF 23 CLE 72 1970 15.6 .577 6.0 .147
23 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 51 945 16.0 .513 2.8 .144
24 Jeff Ayres PF 27 SAS 41 316 13.7 .616 0.9 .144
26 Khris Middleton PF 23 MIL 68 2024 15.8 .566 5.8 .139
28 Jonas Jerebko PF 27 TOT 63 1016 14.5 .559 2.8 .132
32 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 70 1633 16.4 .549 4.3 .126
33 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 68 1810 15.2 .604 4.6 .121
34 Luis Scola PF 34 IND 69 1420 16.7 .513 3.6 .121
35 Greg Smith PF 24 DAL 40 355 10.6 .614 0.9 .117It's clear that Phil will have a pretty good group of possible FA's to consider.
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% WS WS/48 ▾
2 DeAndre Jordan C 26 LAC 71 2455 20.5 .641 10.6 .207
6 Marc Gasol C 30 MEM 70 2361 21.7 .561 9.1 .185
10 Alexis Ajinca C 26 NOP 56 816 20.1 .601 2.7 .162
13 Jeff Withey C 24 NOP 35 248 18.1 .570 0.8 .157
14 Bismack Biyombo C 22 CHO 51 887 15.0 .578 2.9 .154
15 Jerome Jordan C 28 BRK 41 366 16.8 .609 1.2 .151
18 Robin Lopez C 26 POR 46 1302 16.1 .564 4.0 .148
30 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 64 1780 19.5 .555 4.8 .130
31 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 64 1666 16.0 .554 4.4 .126
37 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 70 1162 13.6 .525 2.7 .111
40 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 37 476 11.0 .495 1.0 .1053 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 56 2180 21.0 .577 9.3 .204
12 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 69 2036 16.7 .588 6.7 .157
16 John Jenkins SG 23 ATL 18 190 15.9 .689 0.6 .150
19 Wesley Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .585 6.2 .148
22 Anthony Morrow SG 29 OKC 63 1504 14.2 .594 4.5 .145
27 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 2.2 .135
29 Goran Dragic SG-PG 28 TOT 67 2254 17.7 .580 6.2 .131
41 Marco Belinelli SG 28 SAS 51 1165 12.8 .557 2.5 .10225 Cory Joseph PG 23 SAS 67 1273 15.3 .565 3.7 .141
36 Brandon Knight PG-SG 23 TOT 62 2013 17.5 .547 4.7 .112
38 John Lucas PG 32 DET 12 140 14.9 .472 0.3 .1104 Jeremy Evans SF 27 UTA 28 144 18.1 .586 0.6 .190
5 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 52 1669 21.1 .551 6.5 .186
8 Draymond Green SF 24 GSW 71 2258 16.5 .543 7.9 .168
17 DeMarre Carroll SF 28 ATL 60 1887 15.1 .594 5.8 .148
39 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 71 1374 13.9 .513 3.1 .1091 Brandan Wright PF 27 TOT 66 1214 21.6 .681 5.7 .227
7 LaMarcus Aldridge PF 29 POR 61 2180 22.8 .528 7.6 .168
9 Kevin Love PF 26 CLE 67 2296 18.9 .556 8.0 .167
11 Paul Millsap PF 29 ATL 67 2218 19.9 .568 7.5 .162
20 Greg Monroe PF 24 DET 64 1991 21.0 .548 6.1 .148
21 Tristan Thompson PF 23 CLE 72 1970 15.6 .577 6.0 .147
23 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 51 945 16.0 .513 2.8 .144
24 Jeff Ayres PF 27 SAS 41 316 13.7 .616 0.9 .144
26 Khris Middleton PF 23 MIL 68 2024 15.8 .566 5.8 .139
28 Jonas Jerebko PF 27 TOT 63 1016 14.5 .559 2.8 .132
32 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 70 1633 16.4 .549 4.3 .126
33 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 68 1810 15.2 .604 4.6 .121
34 Luis Scola PF 34 IND 69 1420 16.7 .513 3.6 .121
35 Greg Smith PF 24 DAL 40 355 10.6 .614 0.9 .117
I fixed your formatting and bolded the guys who can become RFAs.
VCoug wrote:
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% WS WS/48 ▾
2 DeAndre Jordan C 26 LAC 71 2455 20.5 .641 10.6 .207
6 Marc Gasol C 30 MEM 70 2361 21.7 .561 9.1 .185
10 Alexis Ajinca C 26 NOP 56 816 20.1 .601 2.7 .162
13 Jeff Withey C 24 NOP 35 248 18.1 .570 0.8 .157
14 Bismack Biyombo C 22 CHO 51 887 15.0 .578 2.9 .154
15 Jerome Jordan C 28 BRK 41 366 16.8 .609 1.2 .151
18 Robin Lopez C 26 POR 46 1302 16.1 .564 4.0 .148
30 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 64 1780 19.5 .555 4.8 .130
31 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 64 1666 16.0 .554 4.4 .126
37 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 70 1162 13.6 .525 2.7 .111
40 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 37 476 11.0 .495 1.0 .1053 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 56 2180 21.0 .577 9.3 .204
12 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 69 2036 16.7 .588 6.7 .157
16 John Jenkins SG 23 ATL 18 190 15.9 .689 0.6 .150
19 Wesley Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .585 6.2 .148
22 Anthony Morrow SG 29 OKC 63 1504 14.2 .594 4.5 .145
27 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 2.2 .135
29 Goran Dragic SG-PG 28 TOT 67 2254 17.7 .580 6.2 .131
41 Marco Belinelli SG 28 SAS 51 1165 12.8 .557 2.5 .10225 Cory Joseph PG 23 SAS 67 1273 15.3 .565 3.7 .141
36 Brandon Knight PG-SG 23 TOT 62 2013 17.5 .547 4.7 .112
38 John Lucas PG 32 DET 12 140 14.9 .472 0.3 .1104 Jeremy Evans SF 27 UTA 28 144 18.1 .586 0.6 .190
5 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 52 1669 21.1 .551 6.5 .186
8 Draymond Green SF 24 GSW 71 2258 16.5 .543 7.9 .168
17 DeMarre Carroll SF 28 ATL 60 1887 15.1 .594 5.8 .148
39 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 71 1374 13.9 .513 3.1 .1091 Brandan Wright PF 27 TOT 66 1214 21.6 .681 5.7 .227
7 LaMarcus Aldridge PF 29 POR 61 2180 22.8 .528 7.6 .168
9 Kevin Love PF 26 CLE 67 2296 18.9 .556 8.0 .167
11 Paul Millsap PF 29 ATL 67 2218 19.9 .568 7.5 .162
20 Greg Monroe PF 24 DET 64 1991 21.0 .548 6.1 .148
21 Tristan Thompson PF 23 CLE 72 1970 15.6 .577 6.0 .147
23 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 51 945 16.0 .513 2.8 .144
24 Jeff Ayres PF 27 SAS 41 316 13.7 .616 0.9 .144
26 Khris Middleton PF 23 MIL 68 2024 15.8 .566 5.8 .139
28 Jonas Jerebko PF 27 TOT 63 1016 14.5 .559 2.8 .132
32 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 70 1633 16.4 .549 4.3 .126
33 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 68 1810 15.2 .604 4.6 .121
34 Luis Scola PF 34 IND 69 1420 16.7 .513 3.6 .121
35 Greg Smith PF 24 DAL 40 355 10.6 .614 0.9 .117I fixed your formatting and bolded the guys who can become RFAs.
Ah thanks!
Someone has to be on the roster to show Zinger how to survive and thrive being a big man in the NBA. You can't just draft a guy and throw him into the ocean and see if he swims, you need to build a SUPPORT STRUCTURE around him.
I've been saying for a long time now, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola are two solid veterans, likely to be inexpensive pickups, whom have played together even, who can help a young big man reach his potential while still helping the back end of the roster.
Hayes was a plus defender and simply grinded and bled his way onto an NBA roster, then the rotation, then the starting lineup. I believe there's something to be learned from a good locker room guy, a guy the fans will love ( have any fans anywhere not loved the Chuckwagon?) and get some needed positivity and leadership on the team.
Scola was one of the best low post players of the modern era. Just watching his footwork and timing and instincts with the ball in traffic/close contact is a clinic in how a NBA big should work the low post. Given how the game shifted under Stern, I'd wager Scola's experiences and performance is even more impressive. NBA veteran, battle tested, played for several successful franchises and overseas. There's a lot of old man wisdom and big man skill to be passed on to Zinger here.
The Knicks need someone to work the perimeter with enough length and speed to shut down penetration and the passing lanes and someone to defend the rim. Desperately.
a Starting C
A back up/Starting SG
A back up PF
If Hermangomez is being stashed, then a back up C
Grant
Green
Melo
KP
Asik
Galloway
Shved
Thanasis
Scola(nice one TT)
Aldrich
Caledron
Ledo
Early
Lou Amundson
Hermangomez
H1AND1 wrote:I'm hoping we can get Wes Matthews on a cheapish contract (assuming other teams are scared off by the injury). He did come out and say (well his agent) that he wants $15 mil per but I highly doubt any team will give him that after an Achilles tear.
At our current position, we can't afford to be taking any kind of risks with injuries. I'd rather we get Danny Green instead.
jbeachboy wrote:hayes and scola have been terrible past few years, and wes matthews wants highest bidder
Hayes and Scola have long accepted that they will stay in the NBA only as bench veterans, playing only sparse minutes and are going to be kept around as quasi coaches/mentors and good locker room guys. They also know they won't be pushing for a starting spot, and won't be able to get much in terms of salary.
They aren't asked to be here to give the Knicks a solid 20 minutes a night each, they will be here to actually teach Zinger how to be an NBA big and prepare and play the right way. ( They sure aren't going to get that from Melo)
David West however will likely demand 10-12 million plus a year, will enter his decline phase, and will likely fight the reality of his decline phase by demanding to be in the starting lineup.
Leadership is going to have to come from somewhere on the roster.
Sorry guys, but this is a "tax" on Melo's failures as a leader/team player. It can either cost the Knicks cap space (on a gross overpay) or it can cost them back end roster spots, but it's going to cost them somewhere.
Also, no offense, I think a lot of guys here are grossly overestimating the actual free agent choices the Knicks will have. Tier 1, 2 and 3 free agents will likely go elsewhere. If the money is the same, but the winning situation is much better in once place versus the other, players will take the money and winning. At any point where the Knicks are offering about the same money, odds are that player is going to a team with a better chance of winning. If the Knicks don't want to OVERPAY, then they will be shopping in the Tier 4 and Tier 5 levels of free agency.
If you were Wes Matthews, and your bargaining leverage was shot up because of injury, and you couldn't get 15 million a year, but more like 10-11, which opened up your number of suitors, would you sign with the Knicks? Aging leader with no previous front office experience with one foot out the door, gutted of assets, lousy ownership, severe media scrutiny, overpaid chucker of a player who will trash you on the court or in the press, directly or indirectly if you dare do anything like play hard and have the fans love you. All to go a team likely to miss the playoffs and no real hope for the lifetime of your contract to even be a consistent playoff team. Plus with the least talented roster in the league, you'll have to burn out heavy minutes. For 15 million a year, maybe Matthews does that if the next best offer is 11 a year. But once the money equalizes, why even bother with NY?
To be fiscally responsible, the top 70 percent of free agency with better choices will take said better choices ( i.e. combination of most money plus ability to win )
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think Calderon will provide leadership next year if he healthy. He has been praised for that in the past by his teammates and coaches. Also, I like Hayes a lot and thought he was an amazing player on the Rockets but that was a long time ago. The Knicks tried to have Malik Rose be a leader in a bench role and while he was a good guy to have around I think ideally you need leaders on the court. If you get a guy like Hayes for a vet minimum end of the bench role that is fine. But maybe just keeping Lou around would be better. He knows the system and has a tremendous work ethic. Seems like that was what was being said about Scola in Indy.leadership is nice but not for that contract. I definetly understand why phil took a chance on him and im Sure phil knows it was a mistake. Thankfully he got grant who is a upgrade over calderon on a rookie deal
StarksEwing1 wrote:I was just addressing TT who said the Knicks should bring in Hayes and Scola for leadership. Scola basically has been praised for lifting, warming up early before games and being a pro. Calderon has been praised by his peers and coaches for his leadership. Not sure that Scola is needed. Also, Amundson is that classy claw, scratch and work harder then anybody else and the Knicks have him.CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think Calderon will provide leadership next year if he healthy. He has been praised for that in the past by his teammates and coaches. Also, I like Hayes a lot and thought he was an amazing player on the Rockets but that was a long time ago. The Knicks tried to have Malik Rose be a leader in a bench role and while he was a good guy to have around I think ideally you need leaders on the court. If you get a guy like Hayes for a vet minimum end of the bench role that is fine. But maybe just keeping Lou around would be better. He knows the system and has a tremendous work ethic. Seems like that was what was being said about Scola in Indy.leadership is nice but not for that contract. I definetly understand why phil took a chance on him and im Sure phil knows it was a mistake. Thankfully he got grant who is a upgrade over calderon on a rookie deal
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He is too old
CrushAlot wrote:...I think ideally you need leaders on the court....
No argument here, on that, if that was the most likely option.
But is it?
Melo
Zinger
Grant
Early
Greek Freak 2.0
Galloway
Calderon
There's a strong chance that both Zinger and Grant will be starters this year, given the lack of talent on the roster. Rookies. Galloway might start as well as the shooting guard. A 2nd year player without a full rookie season in the pros. Melo certainly isn't going to be the leader.
The Knicks have quite a bit of roster to fill out, including someone to play center and wing help, without a ton of cap space to get it done, not relative to how many needs they have.
You can get a vet like David West, who isn't coming here for cheap, and get his leadership, and eat that cap hit. That cap looms large when you don't have a starting center and are so weak on the wings.
I like Scola for teaching Zinger how to get away with contact, how to refine his footwork, how to operate in close contact, how to use your body for leverage, how to massage the refs, when to pass and what to look for against defenders. Sorry, Amundson is nowhere near Scola in terms of pedigree regarding low post play. Not even close.
Knicks invested a lot in Zinger, they need to create a support structure around him to help him thrive. Giving him no one who is an NBA caliber starter, or was once, to help him learn the pro game and it's nuances is not helping him.
For what the Knicks need to do and need to get to actually round out a team, even a treadmill team, the cap space they have isn't a tremendous amount. A lot of the names getting thrown around are names the Knicks just won't get.