I like Koufos. He could just be a victim of being behind a better player and not getting enough of a run. If we could also scoop him up that would be great.
sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.
I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
Man really i would rather give that to T. Harris....get j smith, beverly n hibbert n call it a day for now
CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
agreed crush. I do like lopez but thats alot of money and expectation for him. If we sign him for 13 million thats a big chunk of our cap space. The afflalo deal was more reasonable
Jordan has a better chance of winnin the championship being in the East
dwiley20 wrote:Jordan has a better chance of winnin the championship being in the East
Yea if he joined bulls, cavs,heat or wizard..
StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
agreed crush. I do like lopez but thats alot of money and expectation for him. If we sign him for 13 million thats a big chunk of our cap space. The afflalo deal was more reasonable
Yeah but I know if the Knicks sign him I will be really excited. I only have Melo and Ewing shirts but I probably would get a Lopez shirt if he came to NY.
franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
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franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
actually Aldrich is a better shotblocker and rebounder than both of them per minute. His offense is right behind them overall his per minute production is the best. Now can he play 28 minutes every night? You could probably sign Aldrich for 3mm and that paves way to maybe signing Tobias Harris to a contract that Orlando would not match
This is a bad deal for an injury prone player like him. I'd much rather we get Koufus unless we can get Jordan.
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
agreed crush. I do like lopez but thats alot of money and expectation for him. If we sign him for 13 million thats a big chunk of our cap space. The afflalo deal was more reasonable
Yeah but I know if the Knicks sign him I will be really excited. I only have Melo and Ewing shirts but I probably would get a Lopez shirt if he came to NY.
thats nice but basketball wise it wont be that much of a improvement. At best maybe 30—32 wins without having any picks
nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
Yeah Nixluva but would you rather have Cole Aldrich and Tobias Harris? Or just Robin Lopez and maybe an overpaid injury prone Beverly? I guess I dont care I just want to see Ktistaps play well:)
BRIGGS wrote:tmlfranco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
actually Aldrich is a better shotblocker and rebounder than both of them per minute. His offense is right behind them overall his per minute production is the best. Now can he play 28 minutes every night? You could probably sign Aldrich for 3mm and that paves way to maybe signing Tobias Harris to a contract that Orlando would not match
Cole gets tired easily. Not sure that he could play 28 minutes. I also was really discouraged when he walked away with the ball when Acy was ready to fight with three guys from the other team.
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
Yeah Nixluva but would you rather have Cole Aldrich and Tobias Harris? Or just Robin Lopez and maybe an overpaid injury prone Beverly? I guess I dont care I just want to see Ktistaps play well:)
I understand your point but I think Phil believes he can get a bit more out of RLopez. He's shown he can be part of a starting line up for a playoff team. I think it's just a comfort level with a player that has experienced that and been relied on.
nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
Yeah Nixluva but would you rather have Cole Aldrich and Tobias Harris? Or just Robin Lopez and maybe an overpaid injury prone Beverly? I guess I dont care I just want to see Ktistaps play well:)
I understand your point but I think Phil believes he can get a bit more out of RLopez. He's shown he can be part of a starting line up for a playoff team. I think it's just a comfort level with a player that has experienced that and been relied on.
Its possible.
BRIGGS wrote:tmlfranco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
actually Aldrich is a better shotblocker and rebounder than both of them per minute. His offense is right behind them overall his per minute production is the best. Now can he play 28 minutes every night? You could probably sign Aldrich for 3mm and that paves way to maybe signing Tobias Harris to a contract that Orlando would not match
If the Knicks could get Tobias that would probably be the smart move. Orlando's gm has said he will match but they are a frugal team and seem like they want to replace Tobias. If the contract was structured right I don't think they would match because I think they know Tobias wants to leave.
nixluva wrote:$12-13mil isn't too much in this market. There is a bit of a fight over him now since he's the last of the somewhat better bigs left. It would still leave enough money to add another FA or 2 and then they'll use the Room Exception and Vet Minimums for the end of the bench guys.
Well it sounds like Phil wants P.Beverley pretty bad so what do you guys think he's worth?? Remember he's a RFA so Houston can match so we need to make it enough for them not to match but not too much that it's a bad signing by us.
newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:$12-13mil isn't too much in this market. There is a bit of a fight over him now since he's the last of the somewhat better bigs left. It would still leave enough money to add another FA or 2 and then they'll use the Room Exception and Vet Minimums for the end of the bench guys.
Well it sounds like Phil wants P.Beverley pretty bad so what do you guys think he's worth?? Remember he's a RFA so Houston can match so we need to make it enough for them not to match but not too much that it's a bad signing by us.
If he does we shouldve drafted Justin Andersen.
