VCoug wrote:At least it's only a two year deal like Afflalo. Not happy with either of those signings. Also, don't know if it means anything but Wikipedia says we signed Luigi Datome to a two year/$5M deal.
yep the Lopez deal is the only one that has potential to be a problem because of the length of the deal. I was hoping for a 2 year deal.
Has it been established how the $10M will be paid? Is it 5 and 5 or 4 and 6 for example?
Bargnani, Darko and now Williams... Don't we ever tire of trying to reclaim other team's draft busts ?
Jmpasq wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:What NBA skill does Williams have? I keep hearing about upside but you only have upside when you so potential what Williams shown?
I think its because he was on bad teams and was the number 2 pick.You dont go number 2 without the physical ability to be an All Star. However its not like the Knicks are this great winning franchise known for bringing out greatness in young players.
Since we cant attract a current All Star FA after winning 17 games.....So i see nothing wrong with taking a potential all star who was the #2 pick. Phil Jackson is the best big man mentor in the game. He will help him improve his game as well.....plus the triangle woukd hide his flaws.
My only qualm with this guy is you see he clearly has the motor and the talent. Just... Where does it go in games? Why can't he defend or grab rebounds? He was drafted into a horrible situation and then moved over to a team possibly more messed up than the Knicks ever were in the Kings. Hopefully some structure and a defined role here will help him. He's potentially such a load to deal with. The contract they got him for is essentially the same as trading for him on his rookie deal. Hopefully he can figure it out here.
crzymdups wrote:My only qualm with this guy is you see he clearly has the motor and the talent. Just... Where does it go in games? Why can't he defend or grab rebounds? He was drafted into a horrible situation and then moved over to a team possibly more messed up than the Knicks ever were in the Kings. Hopefully some structure and a defined role here will help him. He's potentially such a load to deal with. The contract they got him for is essentially the same as trading for him on his rookie deal. Hopefully he can figure it out here.
Yeah the idea is to see if you can get him immersed in your culture with other players who understand how to play the right way. Teach Derrick how to play the game from the fundamentals and see how he responds. Phil and his staff will be doing that with everyone we bring in anyway. They have to learn the basics and how to do even the little things right. That's the nature of the Triangle. The Triangle is not a very loose system where you can just be out on the floor and try to wing it. You MUST know how to read the defense, where to go when this or that thing happens, learn very specific footwork and passing. It's not a street ball style offense. If he's a smart kid which I believe he is, then he has a chance to learn these things and play better.
I guess Williams was heavily scouted by the Knicks over the years and they figure he has some great skills they could mold. I see another Marvin Willkams. Useful do-it all guy, with no go-to skill. Still, he was truly dominant in college...
nixluva wrote:
Yeah the idea is to see if you can get him immersed in your culture with other players who understand how to play the right way. Teach Derrick how to play the game from the fundamentals and see how he responds. Phil and his staff will be doing that with everyone we bring in anyway. They have to learn the basics and how to do even the little things right. That's the nature of the Triangle. The Triangle is not a very loose system where you can just be out on the floor and try to wing it. You MUST know how to read the defense, where to go when this or that thing happens, learn very specific footwork and passing. It's not a street ball style offense. If he's a smart kid which I believe he is, then he has a chance to learn these things and play better.
i agree...but for 5 mill!!! especially when we had like 8mill left with so many other needs!
CrushAlot wrote:Review of measurements from Williams draftcompine.
WinnersDerrick WilliamsDerrick WilliamsDerrick Williams - Williams' standing reach of 9'0, 7'1.5 wingspan and 6'8.75 height in sneakers were all positive numbers. For all those that questioned his size at the position, it's time to reconsider as those measurements are very good for a power forward. He also appeared to be moving extremely well during the athleticism testing at 248 lbs. Many players are not able to retain their quickness with that sort of weight. His 9'0 standing reach is an inch bigger than Michael Beasley and 3 inches bigger than Blake Griffin measured.
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-combin...
He's been in the league four years and all those draft measurements or the fact he was drafted #2 mean nothing. He is mediocre, plain and simple. Nets picked up Thomas Robinson for vets min and that is what this kid should have got. Doesnt defend, rebound or shoot from outside. Waste of remaining cap
meloanyk wrote:He's been in the league four years and all those draft measurements or the fact he was drafted #2 mean nothing. He is mediocre, plain and simple. Nets picked up Thomas Robinson for vets min and that is what this kid should have got. Doesnt defend, rebound or shoot from outside. Waste of remaining cap
exactly this kid is the equivalent of TRob
I really would've liked Thomas Robinson. Apparently he actually really wanted to be a Net.
They could have kept Quincy Acy for all this.
I wouldnt have minded taking a shot on him but not for 5 million. Lets face it he has been a letdown as a number 2 pick but he is getting more money.
Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
if you don't rebound, pass, or defend I am not sure you should be in the high iQ category. I mean with his athletic gifts he should at least be similar to Tobias Harris but he is worst than Quincy Acy.
callmened wrote:nixluva wrote:
Yeah the idea is to see if you can get him immersed in your culture with other players who understand how to play the right way. Teach Derrick how to play the game from the fundamentals and see how he responds. Phil and his staff will be doing that with everyone we bring in anyway. They have to learn the basics and how to do even the little things right. That's the nature of the Triangle. The Triangle is not a very loose system where you can just be out on the floor and try to wing it. You MUST know how to read the defense, where to go when this or that thing happens, learn very specific footwork and passing. It's not a street ball style offense. If he's a smart kid which I believe he is, then he has a chance to learn these things and play better.
i agree...but for 5 mill!!! especially when we had like 8mill left with so many other needs!
Yes they overpaid for him. I'm not really that overly concerned about that. His upside is tremendous. What I see with this kid is that he need structure. He needs to know what he should be doing and when. He needs to go back to the basics and learn with tons of reps how to play team basketball. This system at least provides role players with very clear roles. The do the same things over and over and over again until it becomes 2nd nature. Maybe that helps him focus his talent the right way.
Heres what I see with Derrick. He has all the skills, size and athletic ability you need. He's an excellent cutter and PnR roll man. He can shoot from anywhere but you don't want him taking wild shots. He's sloppy and undisciplined on D. He basically looks like he needs his game to be torn down and built back up one brick at a time. He's well worth the effort IMO cuz if you can get him focused on D and playing within the offense you will have a very good player on your hands.
EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
I hate to say it, I wouldn't call Derrick a high IQ player. He doesn't fit with ROLO and Afflalo and Grant and Porzingis to me - I would agree all those guys are high IQ.
This Williams signing feels like it doesn't fit the method Phil has been using. But hopefully it means he and the staff really saw something in him.
I'm leery of this signing, but I am somewhat intrigued to see if he can put it all together.
callmened wrote:nixluva wrote:
Yeah the idea is to see if you can get him immersed in your culture with other players who understand how to play the right way. Teach Derrick how to play the game from the fundamentals and see how he responds. Phil and his staff will be doing that with everyone we bring in anyway. They have to learn the basics and how to do even the little things right. That's the nature of the Triangle. The Triangle is not a very loose system where you can just be out on the floor and try to wing it. You MUST know how to read the defense, where to go when this or that thing happens, learn very specific footwork and passing. It's not a street ball style offense. If he's a smart kid which I believe he is, then he has a chance to learn these things and play better.
i agree...but for 5 mill!!! especially when we had like 8mill left with so many other needs!
agreed dude. Like i said for a lower price i would have taken a flyer on him but so far he has been a bust. Now maybe he needed a change of scenery but you dont overpay
crzymdups wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
I hate to say it, I wouldn't call Derrick a high IQ player. He doesn't fit with ROLO and Afflalo and Grant and Porzingis to me - I would agree all those guys are high IQ.
This Williams signing feels like it doesn't fit the method Phil has been using. But hopefully it means he and the staff really saw something in him.
I'm leery of this signing, but I am somewhat intrigued to see if he can put it all together.
So you don't think the guy that Phil Jackson thinks fits what he's looking for fits what Phil Jackson is looking for?? Got it.
nixluva wrote:callmened wrote:nixluva wrote:
Yeah the idea is to see if you can get him immersed in your culture with other players who understand how to play the right way. Teach Derrick how to play the game from the fundamentals and see how he responds. Phil and his staff will be doing that with everyone we bring in anyway. They have to learn the basics and how to do even the little things right. That's the nature of the Triangle. The Triangle is not a very loose system where you can just be out on the floor and try to wing it. You MUST know how to read the defense, where to go when this or that thing happens, learn very specific footwork and passing. It's not a street ball style offense. If he's a smart kid which I believe he is, then he has a chance to learn these things and play better.
i agree...but for 5 mill!!! especially when we had like 8mill left with so many other needs!
Yes they overpaid for him. I'm not really that overly concerned about that. His upside is tremendous. What I see with this kid is that he need structure. He needs to know what he should be doing and when. He needs to go back to the basics and learn with tons of reps how to play team basketball. This system at least provides role players with very clear roles. The do the same things over and over and over again until it becomes 2nd nature. Maybe that helps him focus his talent the right way.
Heres what I see with Derrick. He has all the skills, size and athletic ability you need. He's an excellent cutter and PnR roll man. He can shoot from anywhere but you don't want him taking wild shots. He's sloppy and undisciplined on D. He basically looks like he needs his game to be torn down and built back up one brick at a time. He's well worth the effort IMO cuz if you can get him focused on D and playing within the offense you will have a very good player on your hands.
i would rather have invested 8 mill in gerald green. no hes no star but he has starter's experience and he can hit 3s
newyorker4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
I hate to say it, I wouldn't call Derrick a high IQ player. He doesn't fit with ROLO and Afflalo and Grant and Porzingis to me - I would agree all those guys are high IQ.
This Williams signing feels like it doesn't fit the method Phil has been using. But hopefully it means he and the staff really saw something in him.
I'm leery of this signing, but I am somewhat intrigued to see if he can put it all together.
So you don't think the guy that Phil Jackson thinks fits what he's looking for fits what Phil Jackson is looking for?? Got it.
He just doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the signings. No need to get shirty.
