Knicks · I've watched a lot of so so far imho we must feature kp in the post to mid range right away (page 2)

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The Triangle basically assures we will do this.

The sl knicks will not be running any triangle. This is up and down basketball.

How so?
They ran it it throughout last year's Summer League,
they ran it throughout the 2014-15 season for the Knicks
and they ran it throughout the D League.
The probability of our summer league team running the triangle is almost a guarantee.

Not to mention Fisher is coaching again.

WaltLongmire wrote:Not sure he is a back to the basket big man at this point in his career. You figure they will give him some shots down low, but I would think they would do some of the pick and pops Calderon had success with paired with J.Smith.

Porzingis was a stretch 4 in Europe. Does not seem like a position we really utilize much in the Triangle. Might see some more pick and rolls with him, too. He can actually cut to the basket well... O'Quinn might hook him up with some of those high post passes of his.

Jackson and Fisher will put him into a position where he can utilize his ability- what that is...I don't know.

What we really need is to hire Jabbar and see if he has enough left in that body of his to teach Porzingis a sky hook.

He's mid range to post 5-4. His dribble and movements are way to high and slow to play a consistent 3 -4 from the perimeter. We don't need Kareem to teach him a hook. We need him to be able to catch the ball either in the post to 12 feet out to make plays where he uses touch dribble or extension. I'm very fearful he will be used wrong. If I see a 7-3 man sitting 28 feet from the basket this whole phil Jackson era thing will be a pure failure. If he allows this he should just quit.

DJMUSIC wrote:
Unless knicks aren't confirming summer play on KP injury, reckon summer league play is MOST time anyone will see #4th pick
Not in NBA Fall 2015 regular season start. The Knicks aren't going to put a rookie on court with high minutes to take a
beating.

However in NBA level play when a player such as KP is a project & we're talking post play KP is going
to get bang around quite a bit and unless you're able to develop some defense and/or rebounding (offensive)
your initiation into NBA level play is a rude awakening.

I don't know how many minutes or any play will justify being in gym bulking up
but I cannot see NYK fans seeing too much of this young man on the NBA court in 2015/2016 season.

Obvisious his skill is all offensive touted,
If you're going to play and learn NBA level comp you'd better rebound and improve it & also
better be able to learn to defend and bang around other players at those heights playing the 4 & 5 position spot.

KP is said to be a poor defender And also not good rebounder which will inhibit chances on floor playing time to develop.

Just going by the nba experts and folks whom seen him play at competitive europe play

This is NBA and I am sure he'll learn but I do not see him being too much of a contributor factor at all until his
other areas of game such as rebounding, banging in post offensively and defensively and defending come into his repitoure'.

He is much more than just a shooter. He scored a 96 on Draft Express.

From Draft Express:

Strenghts: It’s not easy to find a legit 7-footer with great length and high level athleticism ... If you consider how well he runs the floor and his skill level then you can understand why Porzingis is considered one of the most intriguing International players in recent years.

His ability to put the ball on the floor in spot up situations is very underrated.

Porzingis has great instincts to run in transition, and often outhustles opposing bigs for easy dunks.

Defensively his size and wingspan make him a tough opponent to score over, he gives good rim protection, and he has good enough feet where he can show hard on pick and roll, or even switch and still create some problems for the ball handler ... Once he gets more physical he can easily plug the ball screen ... The bottom line is that Porzingis has every tool to make a really good contribution for whichever team that drafts him, and he can be an impact player for many years in the league ...

Strengths: As a legit 7 footer he has perfect height for the role, combined with long arms and big hands ... Despite the size he prefers to play as a small forward, showing amazing body control, coordination and ball handling skills ... Porzignis excels in transition situations, where he can use his speed, fluidity and athleticism to outrun defenders ... During the past season he has improved his off the ball game, exploiting cuts and backdoors to get the rim ... He’s a solid shooter, with range also from three point, showing a remarkable confidence and variety of solutions: step-back, pull-up jumper, catch and shoot are all part of his repertoire ... On the defensive side he’s really effective as a weak side defender, with his quickness and athleticism he can cover a lot of space in a few steps to alter or block shots ... Furthermore his lateral mobility makes him a solid P&R defender, a key skill for a big man, especially at NBA level ... His footwork also allows him to switch onto the guards forcing them to take difficult shots ... Born in August of 1995 making him one of the youngest players in the draft ...

Strength is going to be his problem but he is not weak, he just doesn't have bulk. It will take him some time to develop that and until then he is a 4. Not saying he will be KD but KD gets by on his athleticism and shot, I think KP can do a bit of that now and he will further it no doubt. He will have to.

Luckily the NBA game favors athleticism over bully ball these days, so I think KP is going to be fine. But for sure we will have to be patient.
I am curious how he does defensively against 4's (one on one, not weak side) using his length and athleticism. He might surprise us here. His quickness and length will cause problems, even with his thin build.

This is probably the most exciting Summer league I can remember. I'm actually more excited to see how Grant does as I realize KP needs a bit more time physically.

If his shot is good enough, set him up in the corner where he can force a big to come out and guard him - then beat him off the dribble if he gets too close.

BRIGGS wrote:He's played in a professional league he should be able to dominate inside right away either from the high post or at the rim. I don't think kp has the feel for the game like Kaminsky yet I think using him with his dominating length and size inside on BOTH ends where he shots 10 feet and in. We've got a good pg who will be able to set him up

After watching a few of his games on Youtube he has a lot of potential on defense. His length can be really disruptive and he moves really well. I wasn't familar with his game until after we picked him but now I see why the Knicks couldnt pass on him, his ceiling was to high

djsunyc wrote:whatever you guys do - do not make him gain weight.

here's bargs in his first summer league - before he bulked up. look at his speed and fluidity there and compare that to now.

Barg's can still play. WHat has hurt hm is the fact that he cannot stay healthy and his game is too soft. The weight was not the issue, unless you are saying the added weight is why he cannot stay healthy. I do agree that Zing does not need to add 40 pounds. I think about 18 pounds and some heavy weight training should be enough. As he ages, he is going to naturally gain about 10-15 pounds.

BRIGGS wrote:He's played in a professional league he should be able to dominate inside right away either from the high post or at the rim. I don't think kp has the feel for the game like Kaminsky yet I think using him with his dominating length and size inside on BOTH ends where he shots 10 feet and in. We've got a good pg who will be able to set him up

I think Phil has planned on using him from the beginning. I've also been saying that he'll be more useful right away then everyone thinks he will be. Just because he's thin doesn't mean he can't play the game. He'll learn how to use his great length to his advantage on defense and learn how to use these bigger guys banging on him to his advantage as well if he can learn the NBA flop.

TheGame wrote:

djsunyc wrote:whatever you guys do - do not make him gain weight.

here's bargs in his first summer league - before he bulked up. look at his speed and fluidity there and compare that to now.

Barg's can still play. WHat has hurt hm is the fact that he cannot stay healthy and his game is too soft. The weight was not the issue, unless you are saying the added weight is why he cannot stay healthy. I do agree that Zing does not need to add 40 pounds. I think about 18 pounds and some heavy weight training should be enough. As he ages, he is going to naturally gain about 10-15 pounds.

I agree. Zinger should play at 245-250. Quickness is too big a part of his game for him to bulk up past that.

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Not sure he is a back to the basket big man at this point in his career. You figure they will give him some shots down low, but I would think they would do some of the pick and pops Calderon had success with paired with J.Smith.

Porzingis was a stretch 4 in Europe. Does not seem like a position we really utilize much in the Triangle. Might see some more pick and rolls with him, too. He can actually cut to the basket well... O'Quinn might hook him up with some of those high post passes of his.

Jackson and Fisher will put him into a position where he can utilize his ability- what that is...I don't know.

What we really need is to hire Jabbar and see if he has enough left in that body of his to teach Porzingis a sky hook.

He's mid range to post 5-4. His dribble and movements are way to high and slow to play a consistent 3 -4 from the perimeter. We don't need Kareem to teach him a hook. We need him to be able to catch the ball either in the post to 12 feet out to make plays where he uses touch dribble or extension. I'm very fearful he will be used wrong. If I see a 7-3 man sitting 28 feet from the basket this whole phil Jackson era thing will be a pure failure. If he allows this he should just quit.

You should send a text to Phil Jackson and D.Fisher to let them know that you know how he should be used in their system and that you think they might use him wrong in their system. Geesh

KP will get some chance to develop in summer camp
but see some more nba comp' come Oct fall camp.

My point is despite his skills and talent,
NBA like most pro sports isn't a nice guy' game 24 x7
his skills if he has them will surface with playing

But the young man is gonna get banged around in paint and for his shots whether perimeter OR drives to basket
despite his quickness he will need to develop in time some kind of nasty demeanor

he will be tested often coming in with high 4th pick rep

The NBA will be waiting to test and bang this young kid hard, its gonna be an issue
especially the good teams. Its not like he's gonna bulk up overnight or by time his time comes for regular season games.

Beware
all
He still gots lots to offer but got alot more to learn
outside of banging around court and physical game.

This ain't ballet hooops
he'll have to learn that even outside of NBA playoffs you'd better become physical to
truly display and develop your skills and talents.

Not a great sign a youth not yet ready physically
for start of summer games some concern.

KP seems he's more ready to get going with Rhianna (he said it) rather than be on court
but we'll see