Knicks · Why is Fisher coaching the summer league and not his asst (page 1)

I understood as a rookie head coach he needed the experience, but with all the "so called" triangle guru assistants, doesn't make a lot of sense. How many head coaches are coaching there summer league team?

This is a little backwards if you ask me, it either means you have very little faith in your assistants, or you feel like you head coach is still not ready. Thats not to say phil and fish cant be at every practice, i just don't think it makes a solid impression for the players.

Not sure but he seemed to really enjoy coaching the summer league team last year and the young guys picked up on his teaching quickly.

Maybe he likes to coach people who actually listen as a relief to the regular season?

Fisher is definitely on the hot seat. I dont believe Phl has decided how far the Knicks have to get for Fisher to keep his job, but I think he wants to see him able to get the players on the same page and playing hard. I dont believe Phil is so loyal to Fisher that he is willing to flush his legacy as president of the Knicks if Fisher isnt showing that he's up to the job.

I do believe that getting past the first round will definitely get Fisher another season.

GustavBahler wrote:Fisher is definitely on the hot seat. I dont believe Phl has decided how far the Knicks have to get for Fisher to keep his job, but I think he wants to see him able to get the players on the same page and playing hard. I dont believe Phil is so loyal to Fisher that he is willing to flush his legacy as president of the Knicks if Fisher isnt showing that he's up to the job.

I do believe that getting past the first round will definitely get Fisher another season.

Also, it wouldn't be too hard to move Fisher upstairs to an executives role.

He needs the reps and W's!

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Fisher is definitely on the hot seat. I dont believe Phl has decided how far the Knicks have to get for Fisher to keep his job, but I think he wants to see him able to get the players on the same page and playing hard. I dont believe Phil is so loyal to Fisher that he is willing to flush his legacy as president of the Knicks if Fisher isnt showing that he's up to the job.

I do believe that getting past the first round will definitely get Fisher another season.

Also, it wouldn't be too hard to move Fisher upstairs to an executives role.

Hadn't thought of that.

more of this nonsense from the same nonsense poster(s). the shit is old annoying.

I actually like that Fish is coaching the kids. It sends a message to them that this is real. They're in the NBA now and will be receiving important instruction and they need to be sharp and pay full attention. Fish can get a feel for the personalities of the kids as well. We actually are going to need some of these kids to contribute this year.

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure but he seemed to really enjoy coaching the summer league team last year and the young guys picked up on his teaching quickly.

Well this would be a scary thought if only young players will believe in you, because veterans win you games.

Judging by his start of last season, the veterans respected him, but certainly did not believe in him.

I'm not sure he's remotely on the hot sit, because this would be and ideal time to see if any of your assistant can handle the job, and he didn't add a single name to the coaching staff. So if he decided to replace him mid season, there are zero options.

Remember he didn't lift a finger to call anybody outside his triangle circle when he was looking for a coach, I think he may have had a cup of coffee with Dunlevvy and brought up a super slim possibility of him getting the job.

is SVG coaching SL in ORl?

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure but he seemed to really enjoy coaching the summer league team last year and the young guys picked up on his teaching quickly.

Well this would be a scary thought if only young players will believe in you, because veterans win you games.

Judging by his start of last season, the veterans respected him, but certainly did not believe in him.

I'm not sure he's remotely on the hot sit, because this would be and ideal time to see if any of your assistant can handle the job, and he didn't add a single name to the coaching staff. So if he decided to replace him mid season, there are zero options.

Remember he didn't lift a finger to call anybody outside his triangle circle when he was looking for a coach, I think he may have had a cup of coffee with Dunlevvy and brought up a super slim possibility of him getting the job.

Not sure when not listening and being unprofessional became not believing in someone. A lot of guys that behaved like knuckleheads while they were Knicks were sent out or waived. Most of them had behaved like that before Fisher. Then you had injuries to Jose, Bargs, Melo, etc. Why not wait and see what happens now that there are high character guys in place that want to play for the Knicks.

nixluva wrote:I actually like that Fish is coaching the kids. It sends a message to them that this is real. They're in the NBA now and will be receiving important instruction and they need to be sharp and pay full attention. Fish can get a feel for the personalities of the kids as well. We actually are going to need some of these kids to contribute this year.

I agree. If Fish wants to coach, what is the big deal. Fish trying to build a relationship with the rooks and make sure they are on the same page as his vision for the team. To me, it is a non issue. For our team, we are looking for rotation players, so this summer league for us is probably more meaningful than other teams. Zing is probably going to get 15-20 minutes a game and the same with Grant. Fish is making sure these guys are ready.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure but he seemed to really enjoy coaching the summer league team last year and the young guys picked up on his teaching quickly.

Well this would be a scary thought if only young players will believe in you, because veterans win you games.

Judging by his start of last season, the veterans respected him, but certainly did not believe in him.

I'm not sure he's remotely on the hot sit, because this would be and ideal time to see if any of your assistant can handle the job, and he didn't add a single name to the coaching staff. So if he decided to replace him mid season, there are zero options.

Remember he didn't lift a finger to call anybody outside his triangle circle when he was looking for a coach, I think he may have had a cup of coffee with Dunlevvy and brought up a super slim possibility of him getting the job.

Not sure when not listening and being unprofessional became not believing in someone. A lot of guys that behaved like knuckleheads while they were Knicks were sent out or waived. Most of them had behaved like that before Fisher. Then you had injuries to Jose, Bargs, Melo, etc. Why not wait and see what happens now that there are high character guys in place that want to play for the Knicks.

Look, I'm not knocking the guy, IDK if he wanted to do it, was force to do it, or it was a mutual agreement, all i'm saying is that it's very unusual to see that, and im sure there's a pretty good reason why.

But then again, where the only team in the league running the triangle, so were a VERY UNUSAL TEAM...lol

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure but he seemed to really enjoy coaching the summer league team last year and the young guys picked up on his teaching quickly.

Well this would be a scary thought if only young players will believe in you, because veterans win you games.

Judging by his start of last season, the veterans respected him, but certainly did not believe in him.

I'm not sure he's remotely on the hot sit, because this would be and ideal time to see if any of your assistant can handle the job, and he didn't add a single name to the coaching staff. So if he decided to replace him mid season, there are zero options.

Remember he didn't lift a finger to call anybody outside his triangle circle when he was looking for a coach, I think he may have had a cup of coffee with Dunlevvy and brought up a super slim possibility of him getting the job.

Not sure when not listening and being unprofessional became not believing in someone. A lot of guys that behaved like knuckleheads while they were Knicks were sent out or waived. Most of them had behaved like that before Fisher. Then you had injuries to Jose, Bargs, Melo, etc. Why not wait and see what happens now that there are high character guys in place that want to play for the Knicks.

Crush this is just more of the same Fish bashing crap we've been dealing with. Some fans and the media love to make a fuss about Fish as if we didn't know that there were health issues and some players resisting learning and trusting the system. Funny that Lance Thomas, Lou Amundson and Shved didn't have any problem picking up the system in short order. Heck even Ledo got it faster than JR and Ledo wasn't even in great shape or experienced overall.

This isn't a situation where we need to have our assistants coaching to see what they can do. Rambis and Cleamons are experienced coaches. Fish is the one that needs to get in there and get some work with the kids. He can get a better feel for these players that way. Like I said we're gonna need some of these kids to contribute and there's a steeper learning curve to the Triangle.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure but he seemed to really enjoy coaching the summer league team last year and the young guys picked up on his teaching quickly.

Well this would be a scary thought if only young players will believe in you, because veterans win you games.

Judging by his start of last season, the veterans respected him, but certainly did not believe in him.

I'm not sure he's remotely on the hot sit, because this would be and ideal time to see if any of your assistant can handle the job, and he didn't add a single name to the coaching staff. So if he decided to replace him mid season, there are zero options.

Remember he didn't lift a finger to call anybody outside his triangle circle when he was looking for a coach, I think he may have had a cup of coffee with Dunlevvy and brought up a super slim possibility of him getting the job.

Not sure when not listening and being unprofessional became not believing in someone. A lot of guys that behaved like knuckleheads while they were Knicks were sent out or waived. Most of them had behaved like that before Fisher. Then you had injuries to Jose, Bargs, Melo, etc. Why not wait and see what happens now that there are high character guys in place that want to play for the Knicks.

Crush this is just more of the same Fish bashing crap we've been dealing with. Some fans and the media love to make a fuss about Fish as if we didn't know that there were health issues and some players resisting learning and trusting the system. Funny that Lance Thomas, Lou Amundson and Shved didn't have any problem picking up the system in short order. Heck even Ledo got it faster than JR and Ledo wasn't even in great shape or experienced overall.

This isn't a situation where we need to have our assistants coaching to see what they can do. Rambis and Cleamons are experienced coaches. Fish is the one that needs to get in there and get some work with the kids. He can get a better feel for these players that way. Like I said we're gonna need some of these kids to contribute and there's a steeper learning curve to the Triangle.

cmon dude, i didn't say anything that declared i was bashing the guy. Any time someone says something logical about phil or fish, you turn it into a negative. It's like if your not praising everything they do, your completely against them, that sound like a fanatic.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure but he seemed to really enjoy coaching the summer league team last year and the young guys picked up on his teaching quickly.

Well this would be a scary thought if only young players will believe in you, because veterans win you games.

Judging by his start of last season, the veterans respected him, but certainly did not believe in him.

Which veterans are you talking about...and which of them are still on the team?

Jackson's pre-draft interviews and press conferences, the actual draft, and for the most part, his FA pick-ups, all point to a continuation of the culture change that was begun last year. I would classify it as more of a "cultural war," though.

Anthony's crew- Shumpert, Smith, and Hardaway, are all gone. If the Knicks don't resign Bargs, there will only be one pre-Jackson player on the team-Anthony.

Fisher coaching the SL team goes hand in hand with the idea that Jackson and Fisher are seeking to take control of the offense from Melo.

Assert your authority over young players from day one and maybe this is carried over into the regular season. Not unlike the classic psychological learning process known as "imprinting."

The best-known form of imprinting is filial imprinting, in which a young animal acquires several of its behavioral characteristics from its parent. (Konrad Lorenz was an early pioneer in this study.)Lorenz demonstrated how incubator-hatched geese would imprint on the first suitable moving stimulus they saw within what he called a "critical period" between 13–16 hours shortly after hatching.

Perhaps the SL process is akin to Lorenz' "critical period."

By being the initial coach for our rookies and reinforcing his authority over our second year players, Fisher is putting himself into a position where he will be seen by these players as not only a coach, but a team leader.

The leadership issue amongst the players on this team will be something to keep an eye on.

I remember reading last year that Galloway had emerged as a kind of leader by the end of the season. Grant is also known as a leader, and is not your typical 19 year old rookie- my feeling is that he will assert himself at some point during the year. O'Quinn might actually be the type of guy Chandler was at one time- you read some things about the type of locker room they had in Orlando, and he seems to be a very strong personality from what I have read.

I think it is imperative for Fisher to instill an offense that does not allow Anthony to dominate the ball and waste time on his isolation game. Everyone needs to be involved on the offense, and you can't have situations where guys like Smith, THJ, and Shump defer to Anthony.

I hope that this is a transformative year for the Knicks, and it all starts in SL, IMO.

There are so many young guys in summer league who are expected to be a part of the rotation that I think it makes total sense to have Fisher coach it - Langston, Grant, Porzingis, Cleanthony, Ledo - all those guys, including Fisher need the reps and the familiarity and the confidence.

I'm glad Fish is coaching there.

crzymdups wrote:There are so many young guys in summer league who are expected to be a part of the rotation that I think it makes total sense to have Fisher coach it - Langston, Grant, Porzingis, Cleanthony, Ledo - all those guys, including Fisher need the reps and the familiarity and the confidence.

I'm glad Fish is coaching there.

its not rocket science. Fisher is looking to teach and connect with these young guys. Build a repoire and continue to be as involved with the process as possible. He's still new and learning and wants to be as involved with the entire process as he can be. Cant imagine why someone would see this and spin it differently. The grasping of straws followed by the creation of theories based on those straws are running amok these days.

He's the coach. Half the roster and rotation are playing in the summer league. Teach. Culture. Build. Not hard to see if you want to see

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:There are so many young guys in summer league who are expected to be a part of the rotation that I think it makes total sense to have Fisher coach it - Langston, Grant, Porzingis, Cleanthony, Ledo - all those guys, including Fisher need the reps and the familiarity and the confidence.

I'm glad Fish is coaching there.

its not rocket science. Fisher is looking to teach and connect with these young guys. Build a repoire and continue to be as involved with the process as possible. He's still new and learning and wants to be as involved with the entire process as he can be. Cant imagine why someone would see this and spin it differently. The grasping of straws followed by the creation of theories based on those straws are running amok these days.

He's the coach. Half the roster and rotation are playing in the summer league. Teach. Culture. Build. Not hard to see if you want to see

Totally agree. We should be applauding Fischer for being totally invested with the summer prospects instead of questioning why

I was thrilled when he coached the summer league last year, but it had zero effect on larkin, THJ, Early (got hurt) and wear once the season started. In fact..THJ who had a great SL, was basically in D fish dog house.