earthmansurfer wrote:Can't believe this was about guaranteed money and not OVERALL money. I hope you all caught that.
Another Knick debacle and I have the feeling that by waiting we are going to end up with much less than we could have.Goodbye Shved and NDour. Bummer
Pissed about this, that guy could shoot well in college, extremely well and had size.
^^^THIS and absolutely, positively nothing but THIS!!!!!!
That sucks. The guy wanted to be a knick. Looked like a really good player. I don't mind Shved. This one hurts.
CrushAlot wrote:That sucks. The guy wanted to be a knick. Looked like a really good player. I don't mind Shved. This one hurts.
Absolutely. So pissed off over this I can spit. F anyone who thinks I'm overreacting. We've done a terrible job putting the finishing touches on this roster it makes me sick..
Well, this IS Dallas. Is his signature on the paper? Come on Melo, catch the next flight!
What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/7/23/9...
Former University of Ohio big man Maurice Ndour agreed to a deal with the Dallas Mavericks, the team announced on Thursday. We'll update this post when terms of the contract are available.Ndour had a solid Summer League stint with the New York Knicks, averaging 9.6 points and nearly five rebounds in 28.3 minutes per game with New York. ESPN New York's Ian Begley reported that the Knicks did not offer as much guaranteed money as Dallas did.
Ndour scored 23 points in a win over the Philadelphia 76ers in Las Vegas.
The 6-foot-9 forward (with a 7-foot-4 wingspan) from Senegal spent two years at Monroe College before transferring to Ohio, where he was an All-MAC Second Team player, averaging 16 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.3 blocks in his senior year.
This is another big-man signing for the Mavericks that's based solely on youth and potential. Dallas signed D-League star Jarrid Famous to a three-year deal on Monday. Ndour is a guy who could play some small-ball center, but be a primary rim protector at the power forward position. He's another project that will more than likely start with the Texas Legends, but a guy with plenty of upside.
CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
I can't find much either. This has a little insight:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...
I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer here (I don't think this has any bearing on the cap now, the cap for next year etc.) only with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that shit?? It's laughable.
Finestrg wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
I can't find much either. This has a little insight:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...
I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that shit?? It's laughable.
Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.
We're all big about our flavor of the week. I was hoping we'd bring him in for training camp. Maybe shuffle the roster around a bit if he impresses. But how much do you guarantee a guy after 5 summer league games? Sounds like we offered him something for a call back audition, but didn't full on Anthony Roberson the guy.
Phil could've used Amundson as a 3rd string small ball center and sign Ndour as a 3rd string power forward. He's gonna regret not securing Ndour when he had the chance.
crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
I can't find much either. This has a little insight:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...
I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that shit?? It's laughable.
Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.
How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe shit, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that shit?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and fucked that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better fucking TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here?? Couple these blunders with the poor Tyson Chandler trade, a decent draft (jury's still out here though to be fair) and a subpar FA (we added some decent FAs but not one star player despite having what, 28mm in cap room?). Hard to really give glowing reviews so far man and this is coming from someone who prides himself on being objective..
Think about what this roster could've been like going back to last year if Phil showed better vision, more enthusiasm about getting the players he wants and more willingness to meet some of these players' financial needs a little better..
Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
I can't find much either. This has a little insight:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...
I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that shit?? It's laughable.
Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.
How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe shit, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that shit?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and fucked that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better fucking TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here??
How do you know that they didn't say exactly that to Shved?
crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
I can't find much either. This has a little insight:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...
I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that shit?? It's laughable.
Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.
How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe shit, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that shit?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and fucked that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better fucking TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here??
How do you know that they didn't say exactly that to Shved?
Because it was reported that we only offered him a vet minimum deal, just like it was reported by multiple sources that we didn't offer Greg Monroe a max deal and now, didn't offer Maurice Ndour a full TC deal. Come on man--you read the same stuff I do, right? Where do you think I got it from?? None of this upsets you, even a little??? I guess you and some of these other guys around here are better guys than me 'cause I'M PISSED!! ABSOLUTELY LIVID!!!!! Shocked more aren't really...I don't like this pattern of ineptitude I've seen so far outta Phil--the thriftiness, the lack of aggressiveness going after the best, going after what he wants etc. He's really come off looking like a novice NBA exec here lately. Fisher too -- not only does this guy win two games down the stretch which reduced our chances greatly for a top 3 pick, he comes out and says during SL that "we may not have a spot for Ndour in TC." I should've know right then and there that Ndour was gone. I mean I thought he was joking. He had no business saying that at all...What are these guys doing??? They come off like their shit just isn't tight, man. And how much do they get paid, Phil and Fisher?? I expect better, more...The ineptitude is really at an all-time high right now for this regime. They couldn't even get Maurice Ndour right. Lost him to Mark Cuban over a more lucrative TC contract? I mean are you fucking kidding me??
Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
I can't find much either. This has a little insight:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...
I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that shit?? It's laughable.
Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.
How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe shit, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that shit?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and fucked that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better fucking TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here??
How do you know that they didn't say exactly that to Shved?
Because it was reported that we only offered him a vet minimum deal, just like it was reported by multiple sources that we didn't offer Greg Monroe a max deal and now, didn't offer Maurice Ndour a full TC deal. Come on man--you read the same stuff I do, right? Where do you think I got it from?? None of this upsets you, even a little??? I guess you and some of these other guys around here are better guys than me 'cause I'M PISSED!! ABSOLUTELY LIVID!!!!! Shocked more aren't really...I don't like this pattern of ineptitude I've seen so far outta Phil--the thriftiness, the lack of aggressiveness going after the best, going after what he wants etc. He's really come off looking like a novice NBA exec here lately. Fisher too -- not only does this guy win two games down the stretch which reduced our chances greatly for a top 3 pick, he comes out and says during SL that "we may not have a spot for Ndour in TC." I should've know right then and there that Ndour was gone. I mean I thought he was joking...What are these guys doing??? They come off like their shit just isn't tight, man. And how much do they get paid, Phil and Fisher?? I expect better, more...The ineptitude is really at an all-time high right now for this regime. They couldn't even get Maurice Ndour right. Lost him to Mark Cuban over a more lucrative TC contract? I mean are you fucking kidding me??
Yeah, this is reasonable.
Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:Finestrg wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??
I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.
I can't find much either. This has a little insight:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...
I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that shit?? It's laughable.
Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.
How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe shit, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that shit?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and fucked that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better fucking TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here??
How do you know that they didn't say exactly that to Shved?
Because it was reported that we only offered him a vet minimum deal, just like it was reported by multiple sources that we didn't offer Greg Monroe a max deal and now, didn't offer Maurice Ndour a full TC deal. Come on man--you read the same stuff I do, right? Where do you think I got it from?? None of this upsets you, even a little??? I guess you and some of these other guys around here are better guys than me 'cause I'M PISSED!! ABSOLUTELY LIVID!!!!! Shocked more aren't really...I don't like this pattern of ineptitude I've seen so far outta Phil--the thriftiness, the lack of aggressiveness going after the best, going after what he wants etc. He's really come off looking like a novice NBA exec here lately. Fisher too -- not only does this guy win two games down the stretch which reduced our chances greatly for a top 3 pick, he comes out and says during SL that "we may not have a spot for Ndour in TC." I should've know right then and there that Ndour was gone. I mean I thought he was joking...What are these guys doing??? They come off like their shit just isn't tight, man. And how much do they get paid, Phil and Fisher?? I expected better, more...
Well said, this is ineptitude. It isn't even that we didn't sign him. It is the lunacy of the offer.
It is the overpaying for 2 guys who could have been had for less. It is letting a guy go in Shved who played well for us and fit. And in the grand scope of things, over peanuts. Again, it is like letting Lin go to save money, but then wasting more and getting less with the old men signings.
Now, the two guys we do sign, in a sense, have this weight on their shoulders. Who is left? We better get a Euro or two, who can really help.
Zenman, we are waiting on a miracle. I will give props on the draft, big ones...
