Knicks · Some interesting guys getting waived (page 3)

yellowboy90 @ 10/25/2015 2:06 AM
Robert Upshaw was cut. Lots of problems but is a talent.
earthmansurfer @ 10/25/2015 6:05 AM
clyderules wrote:One more and I'm done. Michael Qualls. Could be a 3 and D guy who can also get to the hoop and draw fouls. This scouting report was from earlier this year before he tore his acl:

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He barrels into the paint and isn't afraid to draw contact as he gets to the line on a regular basis, shooting 6.9 free throws per 40 minutes pace adjusted.

On the defensive side, Qualls has the potential to be an impact player at the NBA level. His physical skill-set will be on full display with his length, an impressive 7'0.25” wingspan measured at the combine, good height for a shooting guard at 6'5” and solid agility and quickness will help him defend several NBA positions. This flexibility will be helpful for him, as he will be able to play in multiple styles of lineups that are becoming common in the NBA."

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3pYZiZJfp
http://www.draftexpress.com

He is a talent but the "He barrels into the paint and isn't afraid to draw contact as he gets to the line on a regular basis" and now having an ACL injury don't go well together.

earthmansurfer @ 10/25/2015 6:06 AM
clyderules wrote:How does the waiver wire work? I believe that the Knicks are 2nd to pick after the Sixers. Can they claim 2 or 3 of these fine young men before the next team gets a chance? There's real talent here that can help now and also be developed. Phil?

How could you claim 2 or 3 guys if you have one spot? I would imagine it is 1 and done...

CrushAlot @ 10/25/2015 11:17 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:Robert Upshaw was cut. Lots of problems but is a talent.
Saw somewhere that the Lakers had concerns about his off court problems. They are planning on signing him for their d league team if he clears waivers though.
CrushAlot @ 10/25/2015 11:51 AM
clyderules wrote:One more and I'm done. Michael Qualls. Could be a 3 and D guy who can also get to the hoop and draw fouls. This scouting report was from earlier this year before he tore his acl:

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He barrels into the paint and isn't afraid to draw contact as he gets to the line on a regular basis, shooting 6.9 free throws per 40 minutes pace adjusted.

On the defensive side, Qualls has the potential to be an impact player at the NBA level. His physical skill-set will be on full display with his length, an impressive 7'0.25” wingspan measured at the combine, good height for a shooting guard at 6'5” and solid agility and quickness will help him defend several NBA positions. This flexibility will be helpful for him, as he will be able to play in multiple styles of lineups that are becoming common in the NBA."

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3pYZiZJfp
http://www.draftexpress.com

I really liked Qualls around the draft. I haven't seen him on the court since his acl injury but I know he played some in preseason. Did you get to see him play?
WaltLongmire @ 10/25/2015 1:01 PM
clyderules wrote:Perry Jones 3 also on waivers. 6'11", runs like a deer, scorer. 3 pt range too. Has had glimpses of glory for OKC when Durant was out. He once scored 32 points against the Clippers and Durant once called him the best athlete in the league. Does Fish know about him from OKC days? Talented! Cut Thomas and get PJ3.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2301519-oklahoma-city-thunder-have-no-choice-but-to-find-real-role-for-perry-jones-iii

Edit: I just found this quote from 2 years ago from PJ3 about Fisher when they were teammates on OKC:

"...some of Fisher’s teammates think he can’t avoid the call to coach. “We always say Fish will coach,” said Perry Jones III. “I think he’d make a great coach, to be honest. He’s wise. He knows the game really well. I think he’d make a great coach, if he would coach. He can write a speech on the drop of a dime.”

How's that for investigating reporting?


He;s talking about Jones...

CrushAlot @ 10/25/2015 11:49 PM
CrushAlot @ 10/25/2015 11:52 PM
Sounds like Ndour maybe waived. Have to wonder if the Knicks would sign him. There are some good guys available right now that have been waived. Have to think that they are looking for a guy or a couple of guys to get waived. Jordan McRae might be a good guy fr the Knicks to get if he is waived.
clyderules @ 10/26/2015 12:17 AM
The Knicks biggest need is guard help. To me Xavier Henry, Lorenzo Brown, Nick Johnson, possibly Jabari Brown if he's waived would all help. Not sure if Qualls is healthy. Perry Jones 3 if we want to go big.
Finestrg @ 10/26/2015 4:25 AM
clyderules wrote:The Knicks biggest need is guard help. To me Xavier Henry, Lorenzo Brown, Nick Johnson, possibly Jabari Brown if he's waived would all help. Not sure if Qualls is healthy. Perry Jones 3 if we want to go big.

Definitely agree on adding another guard. Jabari Brown would really fit nicely, esp. with Afflalo out. We'll see what happens with him. Looks like it's between Brown and Metta World Peace for the Lakers' final spot. Deadline is today at 2pm. Brown would be perfect--dude's a real good shooter/aggressive scorer. Decent handle and he can make plays too.

Cartman718 @ 10/26/2015 7:52 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:We need a slashing SG WHO CAN DEFEND

thought affalo is a good defender

Finestrg @ 10/26/2015 2:46 PM
The Lakers waived Jabari Brown:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lak...
http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/15102...

Go get this guy, Phil. Great fit. We need guard help, esp. at SG with Afflalo down (maybe for 2 weeks or more). I've heard all the knocks on this kid: not big enough, not athletic enough, too one-dimensional. All true to a certain degree. You know what, though? I like that dimension he brings. This dude's a potent little scorer. Can go get his own shot whenever he wants, he gets to the FT line at a good rate and he's not some volume shooter--he's a quality outside shooter. Above average 3-pt shooter wherever he's been--college, DL, Lakers...Perfect addition to make right now with Afflalo down (if something better came along, simply waive Brown. Why not? Look at Cuban--this dude's waiving guaranteed contracts all over the joint. Brown wouldn't cost too much to sign right now). Not even sure he'd play a ton but we grab him now as the 15th guy (the opposite of Thanasis btw--people didn't like TA because he didn't have enough offensive polish. Well this guy's offensive game is NBA-ready) and either acclimate him to play within a few days or we assign him to Westchester and have him develop further there along with Travis Trice (hopefully nobody else signs Trice). That'd be two nice guards to have tucked away that are capable of playing at the NBA level. Again though, Jabari's good enough to contribute for us right now. There's no doubt about that. Kid can drop buckets. We could use more scoring punch with AA down--that's what this kid brings. He even reminds me of AA a little. Afflalo/less athletic Shannon Brown.

Surprised to see that many Laker fans favored Metta making the team over Brown. I would've thought the opposite -- MWP looked pretty much shot when we had him, no? How much do they think this guy has left? And how good do they think they are? Jabari Brown's only 22--a good, NBA-ready scorer with a whole career ahead of him. Had several real good games for them last year...Very strange.

LivingLegend @ 10/26/2015 2:53 PM
Finestrg wrote:The Lakers waived Jabari Brown:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lak...
http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/15102...

Go get this guy, Phil. Great fit. We need guard help, esp. at SG with Afflalo down (maybe for 2 weeksc or more). I've heard all the knocks on this kid: not big enough, not athletic enough, too one-dimensional. All true to a certain degree. Well you know what, though? I like that dimension he brings. This dude's a potent little scorer. Can go get his own shot whenever he wants, he gets to the FT line at a good rate and he's not some volume shooter--he's a quality outside shooter. Abouve average 3-pt shooter wherever he's been--college, DL, Lakers...Perfect addition to make right now with Afflalo down. Not even sure he'd play a ton but we grab him now as the 15th guy (the opposite of Thanasis btw--people didn't like TA because he didn't have enough offensive polish. Well this guy's offensive game is NBA-ready) and either acclimate him to play within a few days or we assign him to Westchester and have him develop further there along with Travis Trice (hopefully nobody else signs Trice). That'd be two nice guards to have tucked away that are capable of playing at the NBA level. Again though, Jabari's good enough to contribute for us right now. There's no doubt.. We could use more scoring punch with AA down--that's what this kid brings. he even reminds me of AA a little. Afflalo/Shannon Brown (less athletic).

I was watching that Laker backcourt some in pre-season because they seemed to have a log-jam going on there and I thought Brown might be cut.

The have Clarkson, Russell, Swaggy-P, Sweet Lou Williams and Huertas ahead of him so not like he didn't have any competition.

He somewhat reminds me of Courtney Lee as a smaller/combo guard who can score some --- probably a more aggressive scorer and worse defender than Lee.

I wouldn't be upset if we picked up Brown. Also like Lorenzo Brown because he is a pure PG plus like N-Johnson.

Finestrg @ 10/26/2015 2:58 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
Finestrg wrote:The Lakers waived Jabari Brown:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lak...
http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/15102...

Go get this guy, Phil. Great fit. We need guard help, esp. at SG with Afflalo down (maybe for 2 weeksc or more). I've heard all the knocks on this kid: not big enough, not athletic enough, too one-dimensional. All true to a certain degree. Well you know what, though? I like that dimension he brings. This dude's a potent little scorer. Can go get his own shot whenever he wants, he gets to the FT line at a good rate and he's not some volume shooter--he's a quality outside shooter. Abouve average 3-pt shooter wherever he's been--college, DL, Lakers...Perfect addition to make right now with Afflalo down. Not even sure he'd play a ton but we grab him now as the 15th guy (the opposite of Thanasis btw--people didn't like TA because he didn't have enough offensive polish. Well this guy's offensive game is NBA-ready) and either acclimate him to play within a few days or we assign him to Westchester and have him develop further there along with Travis Trice (hopefully nobody else signs Trice). That'd be two nice guards to have tucked away that are capable of playing at the NBA level. Again though, Jabari's good enough to contribute for us right now. There's no doubt.. We could use more scoring punch with AA down--that's what this kid brings. he even reminds me of AA a little. Afflalo/Shannon Brown (less athletic).

I was watching that Laker backcourt some in pre-season because they seemed to have a log-jam going on there and I thought Brown might be cut.

The have Clarkson, Russell, Swaggy-P, Sweet Lou Williams and Huertas ahead of him so not like he didn't have any competition.

He somewhat reminds me of Courtney Lee as a smaller/combo guard who can score some --- probably a more aggressive scorer and worse defender than Lee.

I wouldn't be upset if we picked up Brown. Also like Lorenzo Brown because he is a pure PG plus like N-Johnson.

I like the Courtney Lee comparison...I think I'd actually prefer Jabari Brown over Lorenzo Brown or Nick Johnson. I'd rather have a guy really good at something over guys that seem average at everything. NJ has a lot to offer too, no question -- JB's just seems like the more efficient scorer than either of those other guys. Just more NBA ready. I betcha if we went out and got Jabari right now, got him up to speed the best we could and decided we were going to get him some immediate PT, he'd go out and score double figures opening night in Milwaukee. Good chance he could drop 20 if we got him enough shots. I like him as a scorer that much..Another thing I like about him is his demeanor -- he's just a relentless scorer out there that puts his head down and keeps coming at you. He seems very confident, calm, cool and collected. Being thrust right into a rotation spot with the Knicks wouldn't faze him at all. I think he'd thrive here...Just very good at what he does--and what he does, we need. We're not replacing Afflalo's scoring with Sasha V. Not happening. We need more reliable scoring beside Melo and D-Will. And we needed stronger SG depth anyway, even at full strength. With JB in the mix, we'd have better overall guard depth...What if Afflalo's injury lingers a lot longer than anticipated and/or pops up again throughout the season? What if Sasha's done as a player? What if Galloway regresses or hits that 2nd year wall? All that could happen...This a chance to stabilize the SG spot with a nice young prospect that's actually capable of contributing legit scoring punch right away. No brainer...Again, for the money he'd be making, if something better came along, just waive him and add the better player. For now though, he's a good choice to finalize this roster with.

yellowboy90 @ 10/26/2015 3:31 PM
Brown was Clarkson running mate in Mizzou for a year and they teamed up to be a very good tandem in the SEC.
Finestrg @ 10/26/2015 3:55 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Brown was Clarkson running mate in Mizzou for a year and they teamed up to be a very good tandem in the SEC.

We grab Brown now, then target Clarkson in FA next summer (maybe acquiring Brown makes getting Clarkson that much easier when the time comes). Can't say I haven't been thinking about that..

yellowboy90 @ 10/26/2015 4:26 PM
Finestrg wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Brown was Clarkson running mate in Mizzou for a year and they teamed up to be a very good tandem in the SEC.

We grab Brown now, then target Clarkson in FA next summer (maybe acquiring Brown makes getting Clarkson that much easier when the time comes). Can't say I haven't been thinking about that..

I doubt Clarkson is leaving LA, they will have a ton of money and they will give him some of it. Clarkson and Russell will be their future.

Finestrg @ 10/26/2015 5:13 PM
We let a 6'6" defensive-minded wing go in Thanasis and didn't give the 15th spot to Trice (two logical choices. Two good choices). If we don't scoop up a scoring talent like Jabari Brown (someone we can use right now as well as develop further for the long-term), who are they keeping that 15th spot open for???? I'd love to know the thinking behind filling that 15th spot.
clyderules @ 10/26/2015 5:22 PM
We have such a poor defensive, slow, anemic scoring backcourt overall and so much dead weight up front besides our open spot. Do we really need to carry Seraphin, Thomas and Amundson? I'd keep either Seraphin or Amundson and claim Jabari Brown, Nick Johnson, and Lorenzo Brown for our backcourt. What a burst of life, youth, athleticism, and defense this would bring to our tired team!
smackeddog @ 10/26/2015 6:07 PM
The Mavs just waived a very promising young player called NDour- I remember reading on some forums over the summer that he was a future star who should be offered 2 to 3 years guaranteed.
CrushAlot @ 10/26/2015 6:22 PM
smackeddog wrote:The Mavs just waived a very promising young player called NDour- I remember reading on some forums over the summer that he was a future star who should be offered 2 to 3 years guaranteed.
He was supposed to be this years Galloway. I do wonder if the Knicks were enamored with him enough to claim him off of waivers. They chased him even after he reportedly had a deal with Dallas. I think they should grab Jabari Brown but it will be interesting to see what they do with that open spot.
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