A true PG should still have some ability at shooting the ball.
Grant has a long way to go. He is less NBA ready than I thought.
I wouldn't go that far. He just needs to work on his shot. You don't get as many assists as he's gotten by being 'less NBA ready'.
How many starting PG's can shoot? Hardest position to fill by far. You are never going to find an allstar. Start Grant eventually for all the other things he does well and hope his shot improves over time. Galloway can't orchestrate like a protypical PG should
crzymdups wrote:Galloway is really starting to feel like our generation's John Starks. I would like to start he and Afflalo.
Then Grant as third guard - he can play with either guy.
Calderon can get spot minutes.
Agreed. That's how it should be.
Knixkik wrote:Both are going to be huge for us going forward. They can also play together which is great. Grant is more of a pure PG while Galloway brings more scoring. Both have high upside on the defensive end. Which one do you see as the starting PG for the future of this team?
Well i think we all know that Grant was drafted to be our PG of the future but he absolutely needs to work on his shot. I think Gallo could also be our starting PG if we didn't have Grant but i love both of them on the court together. G2 is our future and i think they'll be a lot of fun to watch but they both need this full year to get better. I'm happy that Calderon is looking like he might have found some confidence in his shot but i think a 3 man rotation of Grant/Gallo-(G2) and A.Afflalo is gonna be a much better back court and will maker the Knicks a lot better. Now AA just needs to get and stay healthy.
WaltLongmire wrote:Gallo was much more of a spot up SG in college.Another Gaines Guy, by the way, for what it is worth.
Spot duties as a PG are fine the way we play, but I would prefer to see him as more of a SG.
I believe he will get better...so don't assume that you've seen the final product. I expect him to work more on his ball handling and creativity next off season, but even if he doesn't we still have solid player who has some brains and is a good teammate.
what I love the guy, and was one of his very early supporters...and I was very surprised that some around here were overlooking him coming into this season. Ledo, Thanasis, and Shved got much more love from folks, from I can remember, and people seemed to be of the opinion that the burned out player you saw at the end of last year was the guy you were going to see this year.
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You can easily see him being in the rotation of a good playoff quality team... not as a starter, but as someone getting 25-30 MPG and about 10 shots/game.
Hopefully he continues his good shooting. The D, rebounding, and toughness will always be there, though, and this will make him a plus player even if his shooting falters every now and then.
Not everyone was overlooking Gallo but some were. A lot of us were still high on Gallo but were a little nervous after a below average SL but all i know is i've liked the kid since he was on our d-league team and i'm excited for what he'll be for us in the future.
Adequate Shooting is important from your PG but fire and foremost your PG has to be adept at distributing and playing lock down perimeter defense. That is the bare minimum you need out of your PG otherwise you have a broken offense like we've had for years
herkyJerky wrote:I wouldn't go that far. He just needs to work on his shot. You don't get as many assists as he's gotten by being 'less NBA ready'.
Yea people seem to believe complete Allstar PG's grow on trees
newyorker4ever wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Gallo was much more of a spot up SG in college.Another Gaines Guy, by the way, for what it is worth.
Spot duties as a PG are fine the way we play, but I would prefer to see him as more of a SG.
I believe he will get better...so don't assume that you've seen the final product. I expect him to work more on his ball handling and creativity next off season, but even if he doesn't we still have solid player who has some brains and is a good teammate.
what I love the guy, and was one of his very early supporters...and I was very surprised that some around here were overlooking him coming into this season. Ledo, Thanasis, and Shved got much more love from folks, from I can remember, and people seemed to be of the opinion that the burned out player you saw at the end of last year was the guy you were going to see this year.
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You can easily see him being in the rotation of a good playoff quality team... not as a starter, but as someone getting 25-30 MPG and about 10 shots/game.
Hopefully he continues his good shooting. The D, rebounding, and toughness will always be there, though, and this will make him a plus player even if his shooting falters every now and then.
Not everyone was overlooking Gallo but some were. A lot of us were still high on Gallo but were a little nervous after a below average SL but all i know is i've liked the kid since he was on our d-league team and i'm excited for what he'll be for us in the future.
I was surprised by his SL performance, too, but women do weaken legs, and he was coming off a marriage.
Pretty sure I made some comments about his SL game, but I'd rather have him save the good stuff for the regular season, I guess.
gunsnewing wrote:It's takes time. Not everyone is Stephen Curry coming out of college and even he drastically improved. Remember even Dirk struggled to shot.Was Galloway a good shooter in college? I know Grant wasn't but still let him keep working on it
Very good college 3pt shooter...hit 10 in one game. Also had a great game when St. Joseph's almost upset UConn...was the top scorer in the game, if I remember correctly.
St. Joe's had a disciplined offense with a lot of movement, if I remember correctly, so that might have helped him in the Triangle, but I'm pretty sure he was mostly a jump shooter.
If you could combine the slashing drive and kick game of Grant with the scrappy play and heady pitbull D with deadeye shooting of Galloway...you'd have one hell of a starting point guard!
Good thing these guys are young, and are showing improvement seemingly game by game. 1 decent game from Calderon quell things on any changes happen, but I can see some uproar rising once again if Hose-zay struggles once again.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:A true PG should still have some ability at shooting the ball. Grant has a long way to go. He is less NBA ready than I thought.
I think it's nerves with Grant..Big bright lights of NYC etc..I think he shot it better in SL..I think these guys need a lot more time to evaluate...
holfresh wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:A true PG should still have some ability at shooting the ball. Grant has a long way to go. He is less NBA ready than I thought.
I think it's nerves with Grant..Big bright lights of NYC etc..I think he shot it better in SL..
Worse in fact, albeit better from 3pt range. But he was below .400 overall in SL.
You can always work on being a better 3pt shooter, so not concerned with Grant. He doesn't have a hitch, or wierd release point, or mangled fingers...he'll be ok. Shoots about 80% from the free throw line, so he has a good touch.
Hey, look at what Galloway done to improve his 3pt game. Went from 35% 3pt shooter to 62%!!!!
Grant just needs repetitions and confidence and that'll come with time.
knicks1248 wrote:grants shooting is becoming a little bit of an concer, and he's not exactly finishing around the rim at a high % clip. I love his penetration, but it's extremely important to have guard who can hit the 3, and mid range shots consistently, and grant looks horrible in that dept.
A lot of his issues are mental, I think.
Very hesitant with his jumper at this point-you get the feeling that when he's in the right situation to shoot, his head is telling him not to take the shot because a miss will hurt the team, even though his instincts tell him he should be taking the shot to help the team.
The resulting indecision is really messing with his shot, IMO.
mreinman wrote:gunsnewing wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:Grant. Galloway should have an impact for the foreseeable future, but he is not a true PG. We need a real PG, we can't try to have 2s playing out of position.
Exactly. I wish people would understand he importance of having the ball in the hands of floor general. Someone who looks to distribute and get everyone involved in the offense. Even during the occasional time we do run the triangle. Using your PG simply bring the ball up and giving it to Melo 20ft+ from the basket puts your offense at a major disadvantage which is what we've seen the past few years. Why have Melo be the one to make all the decisions with the ball? The PG has to be that guy
Its not that simple. The league will start really backing off of him taking away all but his outside shot. He has the rest of the game going but he needs to get that shot at least to a respectable level. No need to rush him. Why can't he have 2 years to develop? Why does this all need happen overnight?
It was a great pick not lets not rush him.
I agree on the development aspect. I answered under the assumption we were looking this year and beyond. The roster construction is better than it's been it a while. We need to continue to focus on putting players in their appropriate position. This will be best for team and individual success.
ChuckBuck wrote:You can always work on being a better 3pt shooter, so not concerned with Grant. He doesn't have a hitch, or wierd release point, or mangled fingers...he'll be ok. Shoots about 80% from the free throw line, so he has a good touch.Hey, look at what Galloway done to improve his 3pt game. Went from 35% 3pt shooter to 62%!!!!
Easy.. he didn't go from 35% to 62%. That's comparing 46 apples to 7 apples.
Let's wait until 2015-16 has 46 applies.
Grant cant shoot very well at all at this stage, teams will just playing off him like they do Rondo and dare him to shoot.
herkyJerky wrote:mreinman wrote:herkyJerky wrote:mreinman wrote:gunsnewing wrote:mreinman wrote:gunsnewing wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:Grant. Galloway should have an impact for the foreseeable future, but he is not a true PG. We need a real PG, we can't try to have 2s playing out of position.
Exactly. I wish people would understand he importance of having the ball in the hands of floor general. Someone who looks to distribute and get everyone involved in the offense. Even during the occasional time we do run the triangle. Using your PG simply bring the ball up and giving it to Melo 20ft+ from the basket puts your offense at a major disadvantage which is what we've seen the past few years. Why have Melo be the one to make all the decisions with the ball? The PG has to be that guy
Its not that simple. The league will start really backing off of him taking away all but his outside shot. He has the rest of the game going but he needs to get that shot at least to a respectable level. No need to rush him. Why can't he have 2 years to develop? Why does this all need happen overnight?
It was a great pick not lets not rush him.
That's fair which is why I see Calderon continuing to start alongside Affalo. Affalo off the bench will not be as valuable as he is getting open looks from 3 from Melo & KP. Hopefully Grant works as hard as Galloway did on his jumpshot. You right it takes time with any rookie
I think that jose needs to play the 2. He really can't guard 1's anymore. Its sad for him but it is what it is. Guarding Russell was a vacation for him.
As far as Affalo, I want to see what he will bring before I get to excited about him coming back.
So who plays the 1 while Calderon plays the 2? Gallo? Would that be the 2nd Unit backcourt? And about Afflalo, aren't you just excited that it's not Vujacic?
Gallo or grant at PG. Jose runs with one and Affalo with the other?? I ain't the coach ... as you said, as long as its not sasha.
Right, but here's the point: Either you throw Grant into the starting line-up even if he's not quite ready, or you throw Gallo up there even though he's not a true PG. Also, who looks better with who? I think Calderon's shooting will benefit greatly (which in turn will benefit the team greatly) with Grant as the PG. And if Calderon in the starting line-up is not an ideal situation, then that leaves Gallo running the point in the starting line-up. I would not be totally against Gallo running the point for the starts. Grant is a better creator, but Gallo is certainly not afraid to drive to the basket and create open shots in that way.
I thought that the triangle did not necessarily need a true PG? I trust Gallo right now much more that Grant and Gallow is far less defendable. His defense is also excellent and needed to set the tone as well as to go along with Jose's no defense.
We but we are not running the triangle half the time. I believe they gave up on it after Melo's struggles to grasp it. So if you are tired of seeing Melo pound the ball 20ft+ from the basket and more often than not calling his own number than as the primary decision maker than I would welcome starting Grant. 8 assists in 18mins is nothing to sneeze at. He is our best orchestrator. Galloway had the hands to show he could man the point last year. He wasn't terrible but he just not cut out to run the team. Again Grantisnmore adept at getting to the basket and creating easy looks for himself and Melo, KP & Affalo. He doesn't even need to look to score to be effective. It's just matter of getting him to knock a few jumpsuits down to keep the defense honest. Galloway is effective at shooting scoring which we need from our bench especially since DW & KOQ are making it clear to everyone that they are not consistent NBA starters. m
Start Grant. There's no rush. Everyone except Nix knows this year is about developing our young players not winning a chip this winning
Gallo is a two. He is to the Knicks what Eddie House or Patty Mills is to the Spurs
