https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-...Per Bill Simmons in his podcast with Knicks fan Michael Rapaport. Simmons talks about the trade specifically starting at 5:25 but there's a good 15-20 minutes on Porzingis and the Knicks (spoiler alert: Simmons thinks KP is a franchise player)
what? No summary? This is dodgy work bigsmooth
fishmike wrote:what? No summary? This is dodgy work bigsmooth
haha well i gave the link! the brief synposis is the Knicks, Celtics, Hawks and Hornets had a trade where Knicks would move from 4 to 9, Boston would move up to 4, and Charlotte pulled out of the deal. Simmons guesses that the Knicks would have taken Kaminsky at 9.
if true, THANK YOU MJ!
Nice.
I definitely remember hearing that Kaminsky rumor on draft night and before it. I can never tell how much Insider info Simmons has or if he just treats the same rumors we all hear as gospel. I think it could be either with him...
crzymdups wrote:Nice. I definitely remember hearing that Kaminsky rumor on draft night and before it. I can never tell how much Insider info Simmons has or if he just treats the same rumors we all hear as gospel. I think it could be either with him...
yea, who knows. he seems to be pretty plugged in to the NBA and especially to the Celtics, so since they are involved i believe it a tad more than I would otherwise.
Nalod wrote:What was the sweetener?
Boston was offering four total picks to move up in the draft, so I assume they were offering the Knicks a handful of picks to move back. If ATL was involved in the trade, i wonder if the Grant for Hardaway deal was part of it as well, and when the deal fell apart we went ahead and did that on our own.
Well Briggs was right... Frank is putting up 20+ points and 8 boards. Only problem is it took 7 games to do that
Goes to show how its often better to be lucky than good. Ideally you are both
fishmike wrote:Well Briggs was right... Frank is putting up 20+ points and 8 boards. Only problem is it took 7 games to do that Goes to show how its often better to be lucky than good. Ideally you are both
LMAO I just spit out my coffee.
He is also killing it on defense!
Im happy, but if one of them was the Nets pick this year.............Who knows????
This is why you never ever trade down. I would not have been disappointed with any of the guys who fell to us at #4. I would have only been disappointed if we made a serious reach, or traded down so we didn't have to reach. You never trade down if you are a bad team. Bad teams need to give themselves the best possible chance of acquiring a future star, and trading down decreases those chances. Not worth the extra role player or future draft pick, or whatever extra compensation you can acquire. You want to add as much top-tier talent as you can. The exception being if you are already a good team with foundation players, and most teams drafting in the high lottery are not that, unless they acquired the pick in a previous trade. I liked Kaminsky, but only if we somehow managed to get him in addition to our 4th pick.
If KP not there there was no likely franchise player unless you think its Mundiay.
Sometimes god smiles.
Nalod wrote:If KP not there there was no likely franchise player unless you think its Mundiay. Sometimes god smiles.
I know the knicks are taking WCS so its a moot point.
BUT BUT Knicks should've picked Justise Winslow!
We got another gift from the basketball gods. Please don't screw it up.
Nalod wrote:If KP not there there was no likely franchise player unless you think its Mundiay. Sometimes god smiles.
Mudiay has the upside. The issue with him was always fit. Can Fisher get the most out of a player like him running the triangle. But fisher seems to be adapting so i'm sure Mudiay would have been fine in the long run. Obviously KP is a better fit though, and his upside is probably higher too, although i think both will be very good players, possibly stars.
There would have been a Ton of picks given to the Knicks though. Like the rights to the Nets pick this yr which will probably be in the high lottery as well as other possible Nets lotto picks.
Happy with KP though.
There was also the rumor that the Celtics would trade a bunch of picks to Charlotte for #9, where they would then take Winslow...No?
None of us know what will become of Kaminsky in the NBA, by the way. He was a slow developer in college...there might be a transition period for him in the NBA, too.
You can't have a different perspective for your rooks but not another team's. We believe that KP will be this or Grant that, even though they have not yet shown us everything we think they will show us in the future.
Just don't think we should dismiss any rookie at this point in the season, even though I wanted Phil to take KP.
Funny thing is that I liked Kaminsky, and thought we might have taken him because Phil was feeling pressure to draft a more "NBA ready player." Clearly this was not the case, and our 19 year old was the more NBA ready player, or so it seems right now.
