Knicks · Kevin McHale Fired (page 1)

franco12 @ 11/18/2015 12:06 PM
WaltLongmire @ 11/18/2015 12:13 PM
franco12 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/141605...

What took so long?


Beat me to it...was just about to do a thread on this.

Sounds like a complicated situation over there. This is from CBS.

Rockets fire Kevin McHale; Houston make a panic move? 5 things to know

After appearing in the conference finals last season, the Houston Rockets were expected to be one of the top teams this season. After a 4-7 start, the Rockets decided enough is enough and fired coach Kevin McHale, CBS Sports' Ken Berger confirms. Per Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski, assistant coach J.B. Bickerstaff will take over as interim coach.

The Rockets signed McHale to a three-year, $13 million extension less than a year ago.

McHale had been the Rockets' coach since the start of the 2011-12 season and actually has the highest win percentage in Hoston's coaching history with a regular-season record of 193-130. In five postseason appearances, McHale's playoff record with Houston was 13-16. However, the Rockets are losers of four straight and just lost to the Boston Celtics on Monday night by 16 points. This has been a theme, as they started with three straight 20-point losses before winning their first game.

Here are five things to know about McHale's firing:

1. This appears to be a panic move: You have a team primed for a title run with two All-Star caliber players. You're 11 games in. But you fire a former Hall of Fame player who won you the toughest division in basketball and helped you reach the Western Conference Finals despite Dwight Howard being out for much of last season? That sounds like straight-up "We don't know what else to do and we can't fire the players" panic.

The Rockets weren't even in that much of a hole. They started 4-7 and the losses looked bad, but the wins included victories over the Thunder and Clippers, two Western contenders. A team doesn't go from nearly stealing a game in Golden State in the Western Conference Finals to completely and totally bumbling overnight. The move was either based on a long-standing resistance from the players or an overreaction to early struggles.

2. McHale may have lost the locker room, a point of no return: The Houston Chronicle reports that management believed the McHale had lost the team. If that's the case, you do have to make the move. Panic move or not, you can't wait for it to get worse. This does happen all the time in the NBA (Orlando fans may want to familiarize yourselves with the process for a few years down the line).

Players hit a point where they simply don't have trust in the game plan and leadership to get them where they need to go. It seems crazy to then fire the guy who has been a part of your process longer, but again, you can't fire players on guaranteed contracts. Bear in mind that McHale has had problems with players in the past, including Kyle Lowry. He's a demanding coach who played in a different era.

This week when asked about the team's problems, McHale did not have words about patience or process, he simply said the team was playing terribly and that "talking wasn't going to solve anything." If you're not getting any better, if your words bounce off the players, especially when it comes to basic effort, you don't have a lot of other options.

3. This is on the players as well: The Rockets had championship aspirations. Instead they've been blown out left and right and the coach was fired. That's not supposed to happen to a team with veteran star leadership. McHale might have crossed the point of no return, but it was their decision to tune him out.

Leadership has always been a question with Houston, from the loss to the Trail Blazers in 2014, to the way they went down 3-1 to the Clippers before they pulled themselves out.

Who's the guy setting the tone? Who's keeping them engaged and focused on the opportunity in front of them to be great? Where is James Harden, setting an example on defense instead of simply giving up and giving the worst defensive effort of his career (which is saying something)? Where's Dwight Howard, who knows the kind of consistency and buy-in you need to make the Finals? Where's the locker-room leadership to make sure the team doesn't let it get to this point?

If the players wanted to send a message, they're playing with fire and risking their opportunity to make a run at a title. If the players simply didn't care enough to change things on their own and needed this to goose them, it says a lot about their absence of leadership. They can turn this thing around, and maybe this really does fix things. But it's not all on McHale, especially when the problems are strategy-based.

4. J.B. Bickerstaff is the right answer ... for now: Bickerstaff has coached under his father (Bernie Bickerstaff) in Charlotte and under McHale for most of the past seven years, and his reputation has been glowing. He's been tagged as being primarily responsible for the Rockets' defense last season which was the biggest reason for their run to the 2-seed before this year's implosion.

He deserves a real shot at earning this job permanently, and is known for having good relationships with players.

That said, the pressure's going to be strong, and if the Rockets don't pull up out of his nose dive within the next month you're going to start hearing talk of a replacement. Putting a replacement coach in at mid-season is difficult for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is trying to fill out an assistant coaching staff when most of the coaches already have jobs.

Tom Thibodeau is too demanding and his offensive style won't vibe with Daryl Morey's analytics-based principles -- he'll wear out his stars in a time when the Rockets are trying to save their best players for the playoffs. Mike D'Antoni makes sense stylistically but won't help with the defensive nightmare they've become, he'll only make it worse, and he has a bad history with Howard.

Jeff Van Gundy and Scott Brooks make sense, but JVG has expressed no real desire to leave the broadcast booth and it seems a long shot he'd return after being fired by Houston years ago. Brooks is a great developmental coach, but the Rockets are looking to win now.

This lack of options is the biggest reason to give Bickerstaff the full support to make a run. There's just not a great chance that a mid-season replacement will get them where they want to go. The window is open now and the Rockets need to take advantage of it.

5. The talent is still there to compete for a title ... but is the leadership? The Rockets have shooters, runners, veterans like Jason Terry, athletic bigs like Clint Capela, an MVP candidate in James Harden, a former Defensive Player of the Year and what used to be the best center in basketball in Dwight Howard and a talented point guard in Ty Lawson. They absolutely have the talent to make a real run at a championship, even if their matchup with the Warriors is an outright disaster.

However, even if Bickerstaff works, or if they get a home-run hire, this is still on the players. Harden has to buy in and commit himself, especially on defense. Howard has to keep guys involved. Lawson has to run the team like a point guard should -- something he has struggled to do in two locations now. The team has to buy in or this is only going to get worse and one of the most promising collections of talent in the league is going to wind up on the brink of implosion.

The clock is ticking.


Kevin McHale is no longer the Rockets head coach. (USATSI)

fishmike @ 11/18/2015 12:30 PM
but Houston is #1 in analytics.. so long as they arent taking any long 2's they should be fine... Oh wait, the games are played by humans? Well THATS just stupid
WaltLongmire @ 11/18/2015 12:38 PM
fishmike wrote:but Houston is #1 in analytics.. so long as they arent taking any long 2's they should be fine... Oh wait, the games are played by humans? Well THATS just stupid

Makes the Hinkie thread more pertinent, since he worked Morey.

crzymdups @ 11/18/2015 12:40 PM
Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

martin @ 11/18/2015 12:48 PM
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Forgot about Ty Lawson. I wonder if he has had a negative effect on team.

WaltLongmire @ 11/18/2015 1:02 PM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Forgot about Ty Lawson. I wonder if he has had a negative effect on team.

Seems burned out, even though he is playing 36MPG...his shooting has been terrible, especially from the 3, where it has been in decline since his rookie year. Not going to the line much, and his assists are also down (Which makes sense when you play next to Harden).

Saw him the other day, and although he is only 28, his face made him look like he was 34/35.

Sad story for a guy who was a tough little player when things seemed to be going well.

Knixkik @ 11/18/2015 1:03 PM
Dwight stopped trying after all the nagging injuries. Harden has the Kardashian Kurse. Lawson is a recovering alcoholic (which is a great thing, but i can also imagine a major adjustment for his body/life-style change.) McHale actually overachieved last season, and now they fell back to earth and he's getting the blame. They aren't this bad, but they weren't that good last year either. They have hit both spectrums in the matter of a year and now will regress back to the mean.
martin @ 11/18/2015 1:04 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Forgot about Ty Lawson. I wonder if he has had a negative effect on team.

Seems burned out, even though he is playing 36MPG...his shooting has been terrible, especially from the 3, where it has been in decline since his rookie year. Not going to the line much, and his assists are also down (Which makes sense when you play next to Harden).

Saw him the other day, and although he is only 28, his face made him look like he was 34/35.

Sad story for a guy who was a tough little player when things seemed to be going well.

And if, IF, Lawson is a bit of a drag on the team, it's sad that the coach is fired instead of the GM who made that mess. Not sure what the changes in personal has been over the past year but something is up.

WaltLongmire @ 11/18/2015 1:06 PM
Give him some time off and then hire him to be KP's personal post-up coach.
fishmike @ 11/18/2015 1:07 PM
Knixkik wrote:Dwight stopped trying after all the nagging injuries. Harden has the Kardashian Kurse. Lawson is a recovering alcoholic (which is a great thing, but i can also imagine a major adjustment for his body/life-style change.) McHale actually overachieved last season, and now they fell back to earth and he's getting the blame. They aren't this bad, but they weren't that good last year either. They have hit both spectrums in the matter of a year and now will regress back to the mean.
know whats great about Dwight? He phucked over the Lakers. So sick of that team getting talent served on a platter for them. It will happen again because its the Lakers and LA. Now they are paying for all Kobe's wins. I have no problem with them eating some dirt for awhile.
herkyJerky @ 11/18/2015 1:08 PM
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Not saying that's the be-all end-all, not even by a long shot, but if I was Harden I'd be getting as far away as possible from her and her freaky family as soon as possible, I don't care how delicious her butt is. These freaky chicks are bad news for professional athletes, hell for just about anybody really.

mreinman @ 11/18/2015 1:10 PM
both Morey and Mchale have both done a good job. This team way over achieved last season. Sometimes things just breakup for numerous reasons other than that one of them is an idiot.

Harden's %'s are way down this year though the rest of his game may have even improved. Kardashian fukking up his aim? I hope so.

crzymdups @ 11/18/2015 1:15 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Not saying that's the be-all end-all, not even by a long shot, but if I was Harden I'd be getting as far away as possible from her and her freaky family as soon as possible, I don't care how delicious her butt is. These freaky chicks are bad news for professional athletes, hell for just about anybody really.

I agree. I don't think it's the end all and be all at all... but I think he should run for the hills.

Knixkik @ 11/18/2015 1:16 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Not saying that's the be-all end-all, not even by a long shot, but if I was Harden I'd be getting as far away as possible from her and her freaky family as soon as possible, I don't care how delicious her butt is. These freaky chicks are bad news for professional athletes, hell for just about anybody really.

It's amazing how these guys can have most girls that they want, and they pick kardashians. Their lives get exposed and every problem is on TV with a Kardashian-favored agenda. They are great looking girls of course, but there are better out there that these guys cross paths with every day. Harden is an idiot.

Knixkik @ 11/18/2015 1:18 PM
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Dwight stopped trying after all the nagging injuries. Harden has the Kardashian Kurse. Lawson is a recovering alcoholic (which is a great thing, but i can also imagine a major adjustment for his body/life-style change.) McHale actually overachieved last season, and now they fell back to earth and he's getting the blame. They aren't this bad, but they weren't that good last year either. They have hit both spectrums in the matter of a year and now will regress back to the mean.
know whats great about Dwight? He phucked over the Lakers. So sick of that team getting talent served on a platter for them. It will happen again because its the Lakers and LA. Now they are paying for all Kobe's wins. I have no problem with them eating some dirt for awhile.

Kobe has held that franchise hostage since Shaq left. It was fine when he was good enough to lead them to a title, but not ever since. If 36 year old Melo wants 48 mil for 2 years from the Knicks, i hope that's the day we part ways.

herkyJerky @ 11/18/2015 1:21 PM
Knixkik wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Not saying that's the be-all end-all, not even by a long shot, but if I was Harden I'd be getting as far away as possible from her and her freaky family as soon as possible, I don't care how delicious her butt is. These freaky chicks are bad news for professional athletes, hell for just about anybody really.

It's amazing how these guys can have most girls that they want, and they pick kardashians. Their lives get exposed and every problem is on TV with a Kardashian-favored agenda. They are great looking girls of course, but there are better out there that these guys cross paths with every day. Harden is an idiot.

I know. It's not just Kardashians though. I'd be staying away from most of these entertainment biz chicks.

Knixkik @ 11/18/2015 1:24 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Not saying that's the be-all end-all, not even by a long shot, but if I was Harden I'd be getting as far away as possible from her and her freaky family as soon as possible, I don't care how delicious her butt is. These freaky chicks are bad news for professional athletes, hell for just about anybody really.

It's amazing how these guys can have most girls that they want, and they pick kardashians. Their lives get exposed and every problem is on TV with a Kardashian-favored agenda. They are great looking girls of course, but there are better out there that these guys cross paths with every day. Harden is an idiot.

I know. It's not just Kardashians though. I'd be staying away from most of these entertainment biz chicks.

But as far as entertainment biz chicks, if you only stay away from one family of them, they are it.

herkyJerky @ 11/18/2015 1:24 PM
But back to McHale. I don't know y'all, I think he got kind of a raw deal on this. If I was Boogie Cousins, I'd be begging Divac to try and work a trade with Houston. I'm trying to think of a reason why that would be obviously awful. Do Boogie and Harden have a history of bad blood or anything like that?
BigDaddyG @ 11/18/2015 1:33 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Not saying that's the be-all end-all, not even by a long shot, but if I was Harden I'd be getting as far away as possible from her and her freaky family as soon as possible, I don't care how delicious her butt is. These freaky chicks are bad news for professional athletes, hell for just about anybody really.

It's amazing how these guys can have most girls that they want, and they pick kardashians. Their lives get exposed and every problem is on TV with a Kardashian-favored agenda. They are great looking girls of course, but there are better out there that these guys cross paths with every day. Harden is an idiot.

I know. It's not just Kardashians though. I'd be staying away from most of these entertainment biz chicks.

I doubt James "Dirt Dick" Harden is sweating the Kardashians. You guys act like you forgot who you were talking about for a second. This is a dude who don't give an eff.

crzymdups @ 11/18/2015 1:38 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Ty Lawson.

Denver is over .500 this season.

I also think the Kardashian / Odom thing must be a distraction for Harden.

Forgot about Ty Lawson. I wonder if he has had a negative effect on team.

Seems burned out, even though he is playing 36MPG...his shooting has been terrible, especially from the 3, where it has been in decline since his rookie year. Not going to the line much, and his assists are also down (Which makes sense when you play next to Harden).

Saw him the other day, and although he is only 28, his face made him look like he was 34/35.

Sad story for a guy who was a tough little player when things seemed to be going well.

Yeah, he seems like he's aging prematurely. Reminded me of what happened to Steve Francis. I think alcohol abuse involved in both cases.

Not sure if Lawson is a bad influence on the team or not, but I don't think his style of play works for that team at all. And his game has definitely fallen off in the past couple of years.

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