I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing.
The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.
Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.
Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home
Chicago is going to lose Gasol next year along with Noah. Maybe they get Rolo based on his reputation around the league
We need an upgrade at point guard, but calderon and Galloway are doing just fine for now. We have Grant in the pipeline so imo is not an issue
We desperately need a point guard with good vision/passing ability. I admit Jose has done better BUT the guy still doesn't have good vision or much passing ability IMO. I keep hoping Fisher lets Jerian have time with the starters but he doesn't trust him I guess.
EnySpree wrote:I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing. The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.
Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.
Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home
Robin is not the weakest link. He is an nba starting center. Jose wouldn't start on any other team in the league. That's your weakest link.
Knixkik wrote:EnySpree wrote:I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing. The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.
Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.
Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home
Robin is not the weakest link. He is an nba starting center. Jose wouldn't start on any other team in the league. That's your weakest link.
Agree...
StarksEwing1 wrote:We desperately need a point guard with good vision/passing ability. I admit Jose has done better BUT the guy still doesn't have good vision or much passing ability IMO. I keep hoping Fisher lets Jerian have time with the starters but he doesn't trust him I guess.
Do you trust him? I don't. I do trust the kid is getting better. He might get his shot as the season progresses. He doesn't deserve to be just given the spot, he's got to earn it. His play doesn't match his potential yet. He'll get there I believe. He needs more time than Kristaps. Nba pg is not easy.
Knixkik wrote:EnySpree wrote:I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing. The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.
Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.
Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home
Robin is not the weakest link. He is an nba starting center. Jose wouldn't start on any other team in the league. That's your weakest link.
It's true, but the argument is over blown.
Who can we get at point guard? Even if you think anybody is better you still have to identify how were going to get that player. If you have identified someone the Knicks can make a trade for let's hear it.
Robin has the same rep Tyson Chandler has. The truth is he sucks or at the very least he's not firing in with what we need him to do.
Rolo for Noah would be a lateral move that would boost the chemistry and stabilize alot of things the Knicks do on offense and defense
If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.
Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
Lopez is a PNR big. He is used very effectively with us as well as Grant if we run PNR with spacing while there in the game. We need another big to split mins with Lopez and KP who is an effective low post presence. All those dump offs and post feeds to Lopez and Seraphin we need an upgraded post game to upgrade that role. Then Lopez can split time and be put in position to succeed within his strengths.
At the same time with KP being groomed into more of a center. He may become that effective post player. Which would change the focus to adding another forward who can space the floor and guard the 3-4.
The demand for a PG is so high due to not having an effective back to basket low post player who can dish as an option. But not any PG can come in and be a match in the triangle as they have to be able to play both on and off ball effectively and have to be comfortable not having the ball in there hands all the time.
EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple. Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
Seems like a no brainer to me. Jennings would be auditioning for a new contract. And I'm not sure about Noah's contract situation, but I'm sure we have the leverage since he's from NYC and we have a system build around his skill set. Those two guys alone would help us get into the playoffs and keep us from giving up a high draft pick, which would put another damper on this franchise thats clearly heading in the right direction. But if I know Phil, he doesn't do anything normal or rushed. He likes when there is mutual interest. And it should be with Noah.....Jennings is from the west coast, but he has that east coach game and understands how the NY media could help market his skills.
EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple. Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.
You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.
Only problem with a noah for lopez trade is Lopez staying in the east and goint to a system that will fit him. It kind of makes since for Chicago since Pau is likely leaving and Gibson possibly leaving too. Lopez can grow with Jimmy as they look to rebuild quickly.
EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple. Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?
Why is jennings an upgrade, what has he done in his NBA career that REMOTELY makes him a winner, Leader, and a high character guy. You're sacrificing a lot of other attributes that's not on a stat sheet, for a guy whose best attribute is his athletic ability (not to mention he's coming off one the worse injuries to have)
You are looking at things on the surface, but you have to think a little deeper
EnySpree wrote:Knixkik wrote:EnySpree wrote:I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing. The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.
Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.
Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home
Robin is not the weakest link. He is an nba starting center. Jose wouldn't start on any other team in the league. That's your weakest link.
It's true, but the argument is over blown.
Who can we get at point guard? Even if you think anybody is better you still have to identify how were going to get that player. If you have identified someone the Knicks can make a trade for let's hear it.
Of course making trades isn't easy, but as stated before, Jennings is a quick, low-gamble option. Vasquez was another, but thats out the window for now. Lawson was an option too, but we might not want the baggage.
Noah can't shoot worth a damn. Its why he is not fitting in. Why is he "built" for our system but not Bulls anymore? What is coach Fred demanding of him that he can't do?
we see melo improving, why can't Noah also improve as the season progresses? Why is a "Trade" the solution?
Why is Rolo a better fit for Chicago than in NY?
What is Noah's salary demands and market value?
While KP is more ready for the 5, are we really wanting to do this so fast?
If a Dump of Rolo, or Noah is off the bench player (which is likely is the rest of his career) then what is his price and expectation.
Nalod wrote:
Noah can't shoot worth a damn. Its why he is not fitting in. Why is he "built" for our system but not Bulls anymore? What is coach Fred demanding of him that he can't do?we see melo improving, why can't Noah also improve as the season progresses? Why is a "Trade" the solution?
Why is Rolo a better fit for Chicago than in NY?
What is Noah's salary demands and market value?
While KP is more ready for the 5, are we really wanting to do this so fast?
If a Dump of Rolo, or Noah is off the bench player (which is likely is the rest of his career) then what is his price and expectation.
Noah only problem is his shooting but is ahead of Lopez in rebs, ast, blks, and stls. On the grand scale of things his Ast and scoring produce more points than Lopez does. I do not know if Noah can get back to scoring at a decent rate. If he gets up to 45% while keeping his other atributes he would be worth it at a fair price. The good thing is that he is an expiring contract so depending on how Noah does and KP does in his offseason the Knicks can judge how to go forward in FA.
EnySpree wrote:I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing. The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.
Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.
Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home
I could deal with Noah on the Knicks for sure. His give everything all the time play and his do anything for his team and his energy and great locker room and bench presence would be huge for us. We are two of the right pieces away from being a team that's ready to contend. I'm not sure who those pieces are but i could deal with Noah being one and the other being a PG/SG that can shoot the 3 ball and can get to the basket and foul line and of course play defense.
StarksEwing1 wrote:We desperately need a point guard with good vision/passing ability. I admit Jose has done better BUT the guy still doesn't have good vision or much passing ability IMO. I keep hoping Fisher lets Jerian have time with the starters but he doesn't trust him I guess.
He really hasn't shown much besides in a couple of games to get the consistent big minutes yet but i do look forward to his future with us. I still believe we need better at the PG spot. I would love to get A.Shved back. The way he can get to the basket and get to the foul line and his passing would be big for this team right now.
I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.
