Knicks · Can someone sell me on Grant? (page 1)

Grant is currently shooting .349 and a concerning .154 from downtown. His other stats are equally unimpressive. This is a player who is 23 years old, someone who was presumed to be a little bit farther along with his game. I know a lot of guards start off slow, but what makes you think Grant will develop into a starter? Has he not been able to pick up the offense? I supposed I'd be less concerned if he has some range to his shot, but I'm thinking it's at least a toss-up that he pans out. Can anyone sell me otherwise?

Relax. Patience. In time.

Grant is good at driving to the basket, making passes if a player is open. He's got a lot of defensive potential. Ouside of that, there isn't a lot there. He seems like a player that could be a starter on a team like ours that doesn't expect it's point guard to be one of the best players on the floor. If he works on his 3 point shot, I'd pencil him in for 12 points, 5 assists next year in 30 minutes.

Maybe he is agent but I don't have his contact info

Yeah, he's off to a really, really bad start. Sell you otherwise? The only positive way to look at is that his shooting percentages are based on a small sample (200 shots) and it's early.

His first 10 or so games he was a top 15 rookie. As the knicks have evolved into their offense/defense and improved he seemingly is not, and seemingly falling behind.

IN a world of win-now starphuchness impatient knick regimes it would be instinctive for fans to call for his exile him than demonstrate patience. IN the new era of Phil we as fans might see his play as not hopeless but the process of a rookie developing while playing and making the playoffs is not the end off as this is a transformational year. Same for KP doing some things on the court.

The gang of 36 rings knows what its doing and is not oblivious. I'd rather have Grant struggle to get to his upside then "see what happens if we throw Jimmer out there for 10 days".

1 he seems shellshocked by the nba game
2 his shot is broken and needs fixing this summer
3 he leaves his feet to pass a majority of the time, a big no-no-- he needs to work on his ballhandling skills and court vision so he can learn to maintain his dribble when necessary-- not particularly necessary in the triangle but he is a point guard
4 his finishes at the basket are inconsistent b/c he is not used to the nba game in terms of size

like williams, his game right now is not an ideal fit in the triangle. nonetheless, he should be given an opportunity to develop as a knickerbocker.

He has good court sense. He is a good passer. He drives well. He is good off balanced.

He needs to work on his shot. Once he gets a consistent shot, he will be a very good guard.

He's got a bit of a confidence problem right now, but the guy works as hard as anyone. He was an excellent CBB player, a leader and a two way player. He also just had his first baby and is a rookie PG in the NBA. His struggles are just that... struggles. Not red flags until we see the same thing next season. Often it simply takes a year.

Let's stop flipping our rooks the minute they aren't ready for all-NBA team. He needs a few years to develop. He has potential to be solid for us in a couple years. What's the rush? Are peeps here really still thinking we're in "win now" mode?

We're not.

He's 23, can work on his game, plays D, and his name isn't Jose Calderon???

Isn't that enough?

Stating the obvious but he really needs to improve his outside shot. He also needs to develop a little bit of hesitation on his dribble drive game. He is a rookie. Need to be patient.

I don't think you can develop a killer instinct at this stage of the game. His timidness reminds me of Early who we all hope one year the lights will go on, but they don't. Grant hasn't shown yet that he is more then a 3rd guard off the bench. We have 3 more years to evaluate his growth, but honestly, he needs a sports psychologist more then a shooting coach

Rookie wrote:I don't think you can develop a killer instinct at this stage of the game. His timidness reminds me of Early who we all hope one year the lights will go on, but they don't. Grant hasn't shown yet that he is more then a 3rd guard off the bench. We have 3 more years to evaluate his growth, but honestly, he needs a sports psychologist more then a shooting coach

did you watch him play for ND?

he is a PnR PG in a triagnle, same thing with larkin last yr. Obviously patince is needed, but if you do your research, you will find that every PG has had his ups and downs in this system until they understand it fully.

His shooting is whats alarming..but from all accounts, he's working on it 2 hours before and after practice, so hopefully it pays off. I actually think he needs to change his shooting mechanics altogether.

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:I don't think you can develop a killer instinct at this stage of the game. His timidness reminds me of Early who we all hope one year the lights will go on, but they don't. Grant hasn't shown yet that he is more then a 3rd guard off the bench. We have 3 more years to evaluate his growth, but honestly, he needs a sports psychologist more then a shooting coach

did you watch him play for ND?

No, not really. Just the game against Kentucky in the playoffs and I don't remember Grant at all from that game

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:I don't think you can develop a killer instinct at this stage of the game. His timidness reminds me of Early who we all hope one year the lights will go on, but they don't. Grant hasn't shown yet that he is more then a 3rd guard off the bench. We have 3 more years to evaluate his growth, but honestly, he needs a sports psychologist more then a shooting coach

did you watch him play for ND?

No, not really. Just the game against Kentucky in the playoffs and I don't remember Grant at all from that game

Ok... one of the tougher guys in college BB. Good end of game finisher and heady player. He's struggling to adjust but I also think its a bit deeper than basketball. I would not be suprised to see him finish strong this year and be the starter next.

Only SL, but you will see a good number of high difficulty shots. The form on his jumpers are better, he isn't leaning back or falling away unless Grant is taking it to the rim. Would like to see KP and Grant spend more time on the court together, but it looks like Grant is going to have to elevate his game, show more confidence, for that to happen. You can see some BBall esp going with them, would like to see that developed.

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:I don't think you can develop a killer instinct at this stage of the game. His timidness reminds me of Early who we all hope one year the lights will go on, but they don't. Grant hasn't shown yet that he is more then a 3rd guard off the bench. We have 3 more years to evaluate his growth, but honestly, he needs a sports psychologist more then a shooting coach

did you watch him play for ND?

No, not really. Just the game against Kentucky in the playoffs and I don't remember Grant at all from that game

Ok... one of the tougher guys in college BB. Good end of game finisher and heady player. He's struggling to adjust but I also think its a bit deeper than basketball. I would not be suprised to see him finish strong this year and be the starter next.

Checking out the Notre Dame team. Looks like they played 2 PG's, Grant and Jackson, and that Jackson is more of the ball handler lead guard. I would also 'guess' that on defense, Grant is guarding the other teams bigger slower guard or SG. Also, looks like ND employs some sort of movement offense with a lot on PnR, screens and back cuts. Grant also does drive and kick to shooters.

It makes a lot of sense now. Grant may be a big G, but he isn't going to be able to guard smaller faster PG's one on one. He also isn't going to get his own shot 1 on 1 or be reliable in catch and shoot unless he somehow finds a way to improve these parts of his game. He needs to be in an offense with more ball and player movement, screens and PnR.

I am not saying that the triangle isn't a movement offense, it's just that with our personal it is very stagnant with little ball movement and players standing around our clearing out.

Grant was doing ok when the triangke was soed up, ince fisher tokd him he wanted him to run the team kike a true pg, he started thinking too much about making the right play, weathsr shoot, drive, or oass, he became super hesitant. Then fisher told him to get back to his comfort zine and not worty so much about the triangle. The next couple of games we started seeing the old grant from preseason and SL. Then he got a DNP COACHES DECISION AFTER A GOOD OUTTING THE GAME PRIOR. That im sure fcked with his confidence.

knicks1248 wrote:Grant was doing ok when the triangke was soed up, ince fisher tokd him he wanted him to run the team kike a true pg, he started thinking too much about making the right play, weathsr shoot, drive, or oass, he became super hesitant. Then fisher told him to get back to his comfort zine and not worty so much about the triangle. The next couple of games we started seeing the old grant from preseason and SL. Then he got a DNP COACHES DECISION AFTER A GOOD OUTTING THE GAME PRIOR. That im sure fcked with his confidence.

I can agree that his play has been as inconsistent as his minutes, but other then that, I am not sure what you are talking about. Just from a stat perspective, his asst numbers are good but he does turn the ball over and his shooting % is worse then bad. I had to check his stats because I don't know what DNP you are talking about. I had to go back to 12/27/15 to find one. Are you talking about the Charlotte game where he shot 0-6 in 9 min and Fisher pulled him. As far as shooting %, it looks like either feast or famine, but mostly famine. When he starts trying to score and failing he gets the pulled. Probably hard to build a rhythm being on a short leash but maybe if he had some confidence he would get more run?

Honestly, after looking into Mike Brey's motion offense and Grant's role at ND, I can see why he is a square peg in a round hole here. Grant would be killing it in Miami's offense....maybe they'll swap Grant for Winslow