but wait a second...im still trying to find the connection between firing fisher and melo wanting to leave. lol
to me nothing has changed...unless, melo really really really wanted fisher here (doubt that)
callmened wrote:but wait a second...im still trying to find the connection between firing fisher and melo wanting to leave. lolto me nothing has changed...unless, melo really really really wanted fisher here (doubt that)
Means a team in flux in transition, and Melo being 31 and in his "prime", maybe doesn't want to wait for the right coach fit and roster completion to compete for a chip.
His days are numbered, if he really wants to win, why do it here when he can go to an LA (Clips) and compete immediately in the postseason.
callmened wrote:Finestrg wrote:If he wants out, I would willingly look to trade him. No brainer--we're not winning a championship with this guy. I hope they come to that realization soon... Even if he doesn't come out and say so, I'd still look for trade scenarios to run by him. I could see something with the Clippers to go play with his buddy Paul possibly.
i agree. but why would he want to leave NOW?
did he have a close bond with fisher where he would be mad at this decision?
Nothing to do with Fisher. I think he's gotta realize, at his advanced age and with the knee problems, that his window is closing by the day. Even he's gotta realize that very slow progress is being made here (compared to last yr) and that the deck is stacked against him winning it all here. If we presented him with an opportunity to go to a decent team/a winning team, a place where he could team up with one of his close friends, a place where the weather's nice, a big city where his wife could call home and thrive, etc., these are things that should appeal to him. Plus, like you said, he gets a $5mm kicker for being traded (something I didn't know).
callmened wrote:nope not against the cap. just simply a check he collects as a "reward" for getting traded
It's called a trade kicker. Players have had that in their contacts for some time now. Nothing to see here
i think all of those factors make sense and thats why i dont think he will ply out the remainder of his contract in ny. but it wont be now, it will be during the offseason. there are financial reasons for that
In hindsight, I really wish we would've traded him when he was a FA, out touring all those cities. Teams wanted him then. Wish we could've created a bidding war between Dallas, Houston, Chicago and whoever else wanted him and executed the best sign and trade we could've gotten at the time and moved on. I felt strongly about never being able to win it all with him then and much more so now.
ChuckBuck wrote:callmened wrote:but wait a second...im still trying to find the connection between firing fisher and melo wanting to leave. lolto me nothing has changed...unless, melo really really really wanted fisher here (doubt that)
Means a team in flux in transition, and Melo being 31 and in his "prime", maybe doesn't want to wait for the right coach fit and roster completion to compete for a chip.
His days are numbered, if he really wants to win, why do it here when he can go to an LA (Clips) and compete immediately in the postseason.
a bad knee, loving wife, good school system for his son and 5 million other reasons why he WONT leave now. basically melo has job security. from those i know who are close to him: basketball isnt the end all be all for him. he has other business/entrepreneur plans. besides he already considers himself a winner (cuz he has a few gold medals)
im not saying he stays a knick forever...but he wont leave now. if anything he has more incentive TO stay so he can pick the next coach
Finestrg wrote:In hindsight, I really wish we would've traded him when he was a FA, out touring all those cities. Teams wanted him then. Wish we could've created a bidding war between Dallas, Houston, Chicago and whoever else wanted him and executed the best sign and trade we could've gotten at the time and moved on. I felt strongly about never being able to win it all with him then and much more so now.
i concur
callmened wrote:i think all of those factors make sense and thats why i dont think he will ply out the remainder of his contract in ny. but it wont be now, it will be during the offseason. there are financial reasons for that
Why are you emphasizing the word "now"? I didn't say what if he wanted out like a crying bitch. I'm saying what if his thought process changes. It doesn't have to be today or before the deadline. It could be in the summer.
EnySpree wrote:callmened wrote:i think all of those factors make sense and thats why i dont think he will ply out the remainder of his contract in ny. but it wont be now, it will be during the offseason. there are financial reasons for that
Why are you emphasizing the word "now"? I didn't say what if he wanted out like a crying bitch. I'm saying what if his thought process changes. It doesn't have to be today or before the deadline. It could be in the summer.
o ok cool. i could be confusing you with other folks who want to trade him NOW. my bad
Finestrg wrote:In hindsight, I really wish we would've traded him when he was a FA, out touring all those cities. Teams wanted him then. Wish we could've created a bidding war between Dallas, Houston, Chicago and whoever else wanted him and executed the best sign and trade we could've gotten at the time and moved on. I felt strongly about never being able to win it all with him then and much more so now.
You sure they wanted him or was it a ploy by Leon Rose & Melo Enterprises to build his brand after it took a hit in New York and to get max money from Dolan?
callmened wrote:EnySpree wrote:callmened wrote:i think all of those factors make sense and thats why i dont think he will ply out the remainder of his contract in ny. but it wont be now, it will be during the offseason. there are financial reasons for that
Why are you emphasizing the word "now"? I didn't say what if he wanted out like a crying bitch. I'm saying what if his thought process changes. It doesn't have to be today or before the deadline. It could be in the summer.
o ok cool. i could be confusing you with other folks who want to trade him NOW. my bad
I don't know how you could when I posted in this thread that I'm good with him or without him.
Has anyone brought up how Phil was asked about trading Melo and instead of saying flit isn't in their plans he said it's well known that Melo has a no trade claus. This pretty much confirms to me that my suspicion regarding MELO's current contract was Dolan's doing and his need for a name to hang up on the Garden Marque. The 5yr $124mil dollar deal with a no trade claus to boot did not fall in line with Phil's comments regarding Melo's free agency circus. "If he stays great, if he leaves then that is great too"
EnySpree wrote:callmened wrote:EnySpree wrote:callmened wrote:i think all of those factors make sense and thats why i dont think he will ply out the remainder of his contract in ny. but it wont be now, it will be during the offseason. there are financial reasons for that
Why are you emphasizing the word "now"? I didn't say what if he wanted out like a crying bitch. I'm saying what if his thought process changes. It doesn't have to be today or before the deadline. It could be in the summer.
o ok cool. i could be confusing you with other folks who want to trade him NOW. my bad
I don't know how you could when I posted in this thread that I'm good with him or without him.
again, i apologize for confusing you with someone else. thats my bad
Melo seems really torn up about Fisher leaving. He tweeted this ten minutes ago. lol
Oh Jesus... #B7ackHistory ???
Love how Melo combines race pride and brand pride with leet speak for the fucking win... ha.
The Knicks signing any player to a max extension is a jinx. NYC = Albatross City
I would take Bobbi Portis and Rose for Melo and throw in Calderon. Portis KP Rolo and Rose D Williams Afflalo and Galloway and then put $25 million to use. Is Batum available ?
Melo would hook up w the clippers to Challenge GSW.
I'd call SacTown. I bet Karl is out. They have the pieces to make a trade. Gay, Collison and Stein.
Collison
Afflalo
Gay
Zinger
Stein
I'm betting on that front court long term. The rest is filler.
