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Denzell Valentine at 10

Hope to get Grayson Allen at lets say 18

and would pursue BOTH Bryn Forbes and Kay Felder in rd 2 even giving up Willy G.

BRIGGS wrote:Id take

Denzell Valentine at 10

Hope to get Grayson Allen at lets say 18

and would pursue BOTH Bryn Forbes and Kay Felder in rd 2 even giving up Willy G.

Valentine would be a must. Allen, Baldwin, or Hield as well(Hield unlikely to drop to 10 though.) We need to load up with shooters and back court pieces and hope to strike gold with one of them.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Id take

Denzell Valentine at 10

Hope to get Grayson Allen at lets say 18

and would pursue BOTH Bryn Forbes and Kay Felder in rd 2 even giving up Willy G.

Valentine would be a must. Allen, Baldwin, or Hield as well(Hield unlikely to drop to 10 though.) We need to load up with shooters and back court pieces and hope to strike gold with one of them.

With Lopez Kristaps and Oquinn we have the big guys--we can fit a few subs around them for cheap. But we need a full rebuild with guards. I dont want to just spend my cap money---I want a plan in place first--then see what makes sense.

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smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

Yeah, Ray Allen was traded to the Celtics for a lotto pick at 32. Just saying. Never underestimate GM's making bad deals. We're Knicks fans we should know this. I think it's possible we get a decent package for Carmelo. When the cap rises his contract won't be a big deal and as a 2nd or 3rd star on a contender he could be the missing piece. Especially with the new found emphasis on passing etc.

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

LAC for Blake would be another opportunity. They were 1 game away from advancing to Conference Finals and if they fluff out again, they will be ready for change IMHO

The problem is that the longer this takes the less we get.

Phil has missed the boat in so many ways though its sacrilegious to go there.

mreinman wrote:I think that Melo still can get a high pick in return ala KLove.

The problem is that the longer this takes the less we get.

Phil has missed the boat in so many ways though its sacrilegious to go there.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.

That's always a concern with any player, not just Melo. It is the chance you take.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.

That's always a concern with any player, not just Melo. It is the chance you take.

I know, could happen to any player. But Melo is approaching Amare level fragility. If it isn't his surgically repaired knee, it's his shoulder. If it isn't his shoulder, it's his ankle. He's seemingly always had an injury every season, big and small. He hasn't played a full 82 game season in the NBA since his rookie season. The previous 4 seasons before this current one, he's averaged less than 60 games a season. That means he misses nearly a third of all games each season.

There's a heightened reason for concern due to Melo's fragile state.