Knicks · Part time Jeremy Lin, BETTER than any NY pg, past 2 yrs (page 3)

EnySpree wrote:

franco12 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Would Lin have even wanted back here? Did Phil reject the notion of his return?
Is Dolan sore at the kid?
Would Lin even want to play under the spotlight of expectation and the media crush that comes with it?

Then you can "Blame" Phil.

supposedly he was or at least said so, I recall reading.

We also passed on Shved.

I'm wondering if Phil & Co were thinking they were going to end up with a PG out of the draft and made their FA decisions based on that?

We passed on Lin because of the drama that it would cause. The whole season would have been alot the return of Linsanity. When you ate trying to build who needs that distraction? Besides Lin signed with Charlotte fairly quick so I think his mind was made up.

As far as Shved... the Knicks wanted to sign him to that 2.5 mil exemption. Shved wanted 5 mil and no other team was paying that either. He chose to go back home to Europe for the 5 million he wanted.

The end

So we passed on the drama of having Lin return and help us win games and instead got just as much, if not more, drama with Fisher, Rambis and another lost season?

Anyway you look at it there will be something to bitch about the same way you had to throw Fisher, and Rambis in there..... Btw the only drama circulating is from the fans and media. At 22-22 we were all happy. Nobody expected the floor to fall out with FISHER.... And I don't see any drama with Rambis coaching. I'm sure you will elaborate in your response

Actually a lot of the advanced stats at that point indicated that the team had won too many close games and was overachieving.

Lin is thriving under Steve Clifford in this role. Give them both credit.

Lin has not played this well since Linsanity. His performance as a knick if he came back or anywhere else was not a given.

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mreinman wrote:

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mreinman wrote:like him in my heart but overrated and below avg WS48. Not good enough defensively to make up for his inefficiency.

Still worth some money but not nearly as much as jilted knicks fans are willing to give him.

He's making 2 mil now? How much you think he should get?

6 ish?

What are jilted knicks fans willing to give him?

I'd give him a 4 year deal - maybe player or team option on 4 - and give him 4-6 per year, maybe higher on the front end, lower as it goes- something like 6,6,5&5.

And I'd be confident that we'd have at least our back up PG squared away. And nothing else, assuming we keep guys and don't upgrade and just gel and develop guys here, you'd hope to get back to the 500 ball we played for the entire season.

I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

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DJMUSIC wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Knicks- Melo, Dolan, Media & Knicks fans deserve to be where the Knicks are today for their treatment of Jeremy Lin. Forever buried in their sinkhole of suckingness and complete ineptitude

Agree with you bro' 150% !

Thats exaggerated. Lin would still be a knick if he didn't flip his contract in the lady minute by signing in Houston with that poison pill contact.

Also you been a knick fan to long to say we deserve where we are because how we treated Lin. Sounds like you are still in high school with no other knick memory to draw from.

That's part of the charm of brainless Melohate.

Well guns, VMart... you guys were a 100% correct. Melo ran Lin out of town for sure. This was in a recent interview:

Lin said his relationship with Melo during his time with the Knicks was “fine.”

“He was always nice to me. He took us out to eat,” Lin said. “I’ve hung out with him a few times and stuff. And so, like I’ve said for a long time, I've never had issues with him.”

So if you read into this the disses are pretty obvious. Only hung out a "few times" ??? Clearly token attention for Melo to cover is ass. If Melo cared or was a good leader he would have taken Lin out "lots of times."

"I have never had issues with him." ISSUES. Plural. see that? However its clear he leaves open the fact that he does have an ISSUE. As in one. And that is that he hates Melo for driving him out of town, forcing him to go back to Houston upping the contract to $8mm a year. Hey... its $2mm less than Steph Curry got on his new deal so that's about right for Lin's market. Nothing "ridiculous" about that!

I think we can call this case closed. Melo drove Lin out of town, Knick idiots who voted Melo to the AS game all suffer accordingly.

Nalod wrote:Lin is thriving under Steve Clifford in this role. Give them both credit.

Lin has not played this well since Linsanity. His performance as a knick if he came back or anywhere else was not a given.

Yes indeed, Lin's playing well at this very moment, so let's concentrate on yet another shiny thing. Especially if it dredges up 4 year old groupie panty bunching tirades.
Hey! what happened to Jimmer? Is the Toney Wroten thread up to 40 pages yet? Where's Rondo? Any new Marbles statues unveiled lately? I hear BDiddie is ripping up the Dleague!

What we need is a point guard who's averaging 2.9 assists per game. Maybe he can play small forward and we can move Melo to PG?

fishmike wrote:Well guns, VMart... you guys were a 100% correct. Melo ran Lin out of town for sure. This was in a recent interview:

Lin said his relationship with Melo during his time with the Knicks was “fine.”

“He was always nice to me. He took us out to eat,” Lin said. “I’ve hung out with him a few times and stuff. And so, like I’ve said for a long time, I've never had issues with him.”

So if you read into this the disses are pretty obvious. Only hung out a "few times" ??? Clearly token attention for Melo to cover is ass. If Melo cared or was a good leader he would have taken Lin out "lots of times."

"I have never had issues with him." ISSUES. Plural. see that? However its clear he leaves open the fact that he does have an ISSUE. As in one. And that is that he hates Melo for driving him out of town, forcing him to go back to Houston upping the contract to $8mm a year. Hey... its $2mm less than Steph Curry got on his new deal so that's about right for Lin's market. Nothing "ridiculous" about that!

I think we can call this case closed. Melo drove Lin out of town, Knick idiots who voted Melo to the AS game all suffer accordingly.

+a trillion

Imagine, asking to put a bench player into a game and then subsequently running him out of town! I bet the whole "he told Dantoni to put me in" was just some sort of CAA cover plot to somehow also run Novak out of town too! Remember all those threes? I'm sure I saw Melo pouting during some of those games as well!

Yes, not spending more seasons watching Lin not play in the playoffs is what we are doomed to suffer through as Melolicking knick fans.

fishmike wrote:Well guns, VMart... you guys were a 100% correct. Melo ran Lin out of town for sure. This was in a recent interview:

Lin said his relationship with Melo during his time with the Knicks was “fine.”

“He was always nice to me. He took us out to eat,” Lin said. “I’ve hung out with him a few times and stuff. And so, like I’ve said for a long time, I've never had issues with him.”

So if you read into this the disses are pretty obvious. Only hung out a "few times" ??? Clearly token attention for Melo to cover is ass. If Melo cared or was a good leader he would have taken Lin out "lots of times."

"I have never had issues with him." ISSUES. Plural. see that? However its clear he leaves open the fact that he does have an ISSUE. As in one. And that is that he hates Melo for driving him out of town, forcing him to go back to Houston upping the contract to $8mm a year. Hey... its $2mm less than Steph Curry got on his new deal so that's about right for Lin's market. Nothing "ridiculous" about that!

I think we can call this case closed. Melo drove Lin out of town, Knick idiots who voted Melo to the AS game all suffer accordingly.

I said this before the brand is more important than the Knicks melo can't even finish 82 games and he wants All Star and Olympics where is the importance to the team dishing 24 Million? That summer meeting with Woodson, Chandler, Melo and Lin for some reason was the end of Linsanity in NY. For some reason after that meeting Lin wanted out. I know for a fact Chandler loved playing with Lin. Woodson well would have done whatever Melo wanted because he was just happy to have a job. Melo hated Lin getting attention just as his buddy Steven A Smith did these guys wear their emotions on their sleeves and you can read them like a book.

If you read Lin's take on Amare it was night and day vs his take on Melo.

check his effin ws48 please fellas ... below average

please! if we pay a guy good money, can he be above average?

fishmike wrote:I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

and that is how we got stuck with afflalo. Fans overrated him when it was obvious what he was.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

and that is how we got stuck with afflalo. Fans overrated him when it was obvious what he was.

Don't believe that to be the case. The SG market was pretty weak after the top tier guys like Butler and Middleton. Signing Affalo for a 2 yr deal at 16mil was pretty reasonable. Affalo is also moveable. Teams like Detroit, Mavs, Cavs, Mia, Bucks, would probably take him as a role playing shooter.

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mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

and that is how we got stuck with afflalo. Fans overrated him when it was obvious what he was.

Don't believe that to be the case. The SG market was pretty weak after the top tier guys like Butler and Middleton. Signing Affalo for a 2 yr deal at 16mil was pretty reasonable. Affalo is also moveable. Teams like Detroit, Mavs, Cavs, Mia, Bucks, would probably take him as a role playing shooter.

lets see when he opts in if there are takers. Afflalo sucks and while the contract is not debilitating, it is far from the great deal for the good player that many thought they were getting.

DJMUSIC wrote:Often maligned Jeremy Lin
Part time pg better than
Any knick pg, past 36 months
He is better 7 days a week,,
Anytime, any day. Any way

Which sadly not saying a lot about
Guards history here in knick land
Past 5 years,

For Lin to be better is a strike
Against Phil Jackson whom will never
Recover from the fact that point guards
Are basketball.

You don't play this game with bunch of talk
Skilled hoop players.

Jackson is carving his stubborn niche here
As a man that is too high on his books and
Concepts .

Not good for a legend hall of fame coach
Whom was at most ordinary player role,.
Who fail to realize you need more talents
Than back in the day of his basketball games
Played.

Sad you can't get a guard better than
Jeremy Lin, in here the Mecca MSG,

He had Jordan and Kobe those guys were essentially the PG's so yes the system works as long as you have the best shooting guard in the NBA

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DJMUSIC wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Knicks- Melo, Dolan, Media & Knicks fans deserve to be where the Knicks are today for their treatment of Jeremy Lin. Forever buried in their sinkhole of suckingness and complete ineptitude

Agree with you bro' 150% !

Thats exaggerated. Lin would still be a knick if he didn't flip his contract in the lady minute by signing in Houston with that poison pill contact.

Also you been a knick fan to long to say we deserve where we are because how we treated Lin. Sounds like you are still in high school with no other knick memory to draw from.

I still think Melo ran him out of town, dude became bigger than Melo and Melo don't like some one stepping on his brand.

Keep telling yourself that! Im sure Guns will follow you on twitter! Im sure it had nothing to do with the poison pill contract, or when Woody said "we will match anything" Lin went, got a NEW contract and Knicks said no phucking way. You guys are so funny. The only FACTS about that situation are that Melo encouraged MDA to give Lin time. Everything else is speculation and no matter how many times Guns says it was Melo's fault that doesn't make it true.

Melo encouraged MDA? Where did you get that from. I'm gonna go with what Amare had to sayhttp://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/28/amare-s....

Poison pill was so overrated Lin was a tradable asset. I'm not saying Lin was end all be all. The players were having fun playing with Lin.

Chandler looked happy

EnySpree wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

I'd like to swerve the cancerous intentions of this thread to something positive.

Lin in 2016 is a valuable free agent to pursue this summer. He's making peanuts right now at around 2 mil. He's probably worth what we are currently paying Calderón and Affalo which is like 8 million per. If we could get him for 5 mill like what we're paying D-will that would be awesome.

The potential of having Lin, a healthy Wroten and a much improved Jerian Grant is huge. That's 3 players that can create and get to the basket. Add another shooter to that mix at shooting guard and bam....the Knicks will be damn good again

LOL whats damn good 40 wins and I'm stretching it? Lin and Wroten don't make this team a 50 win team. I'm not opposed to Lin coming back but he isn't making this team a top 3 East seed.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

and that is how we got stuck with afflalo. Fans overrated him when it was obvious what he was.

Agree. Let's overpay for another guy that can't shoot consistently. We don't have any of those. Lin turns 25 games with NY into 30 million! Goes has mediocre years and gets dumped by both Lakers and Rockets. Gets picked up for actual value with Charlotte and now has a decent set of 10 games and NY fans are ready to give him another 30 mil. Smh. To me, the team needs to pick up high 3pt percentage guys. As this old dinosaur of an offense relys heavily on them a bit more than pick and roll guys. Specially over rated ones.

Knicks are 7th LEAST effective team shooting the three. Jacksons response? EVAN Turner who's shooting 20% this year from 3. Stubborn. I guess if you have Uber athletes who can D up shooting guards (I think Pippin would have contained Curry), then it makes sense. Likewise MJ was 1st team all D. He's shut down Thompson. That's why Phil thinks as he does but that was then and this is now

Paris907 wrote:Knicks are 7th LEAST effective team shooting the three. Jacksons response? EVAN Turner who's shooting 20% this year from 3. Stubborn. I guess if you have Uber athletes who can D up shooting guards (I think Pippin would have contained Curry), then it makes sense. Likewise MJ was 1st team all D. He's shut down Thompson. That's why Phil thinks as he does but that was then and this is now

Why do you think that it is Jackson's response? He hasn't made one move that would indicate Turner. I get that we all have opinions on different players and which would fit and which wouldn't, but why set up a straw man argument that doesn't exist?

Nalod wrote:Lin is thriving under Steve Clifford in this role. Give them both credit.

Lin has not played this well since Linsanity. His performance as a knick if he came back or anywhere else was not a given.

He has played even better since his Linsanity days.

Linsanity was jut a better, feel good story that was awesome from start to finish.

EnySpree wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Knicks- Melo, Dolan, Media & Knicks fans deserve to be where the Knicks are today for their treatment of Jeremy Lin. Forever buried in their sinkhole of suckingness and complete ineptitude

Agree with you bro' 150% !

Thats exaggerated. Lin would still be a knick if he didn't flip his contract in the lady minute by signing in Houston with that poison pill contact.

Also you been a knick fan to long to say we deserve where we are because how we treated Lin. Sounds like you are still in high school with no other knick memory to draw from.

Listen,up chap, no not still in high school,
Got 2,3 college degrees N/A..worked for dept. Of defense mil.
Govt., then commercial N/A..

So all this solely knick chat with good forumers got
0% to do with memory and High school,, and even
Jeremy Lin contract ..flipped cause he did not want to
Be here in 1st place, for $$$ objectives.

Deal not done then is not Knicks fault,
For young guy at height,of new success
In ny at a time Knicks was trying to build
A team with #7 star player.

So before anyone start shooting at the
Mouth on high schools or Jeremy still
Being here still in New york, it was
Not meant to be then, hence that was then and
This is now...

Guards such as Lin, and others with even
Lesser names are better even avg. Guards
Than Knicks point,guards period! Is point
In contention with Mr. Phil Jackson.
Thus simply,said read between the lines
Point,guard now hiring/ needed posted
And ongoing,for over 5 years now in Knick land .

Your entire post made no sense. Just shows that you are ignorant and illiterate.

I was talking to Guns about being a fan too long to use Lin as a reason why we are where we are. I used the high school reference as the only way sometime would say something like that cuz they gave nothing else to refer to.

Need a point guard period !

I wont insult here ain't my ammo,
there is never ever need to get personal or insults attacks

Country is in enough trouble and world problems without claiming who ignorant and can't read,
As a matter of fact world troubles and ISIS, makes Knicks seem like the perfect team.
Stuff we kindly chat on here is lessened when you look out the box of other people problems
Before our needs here as fans.

Point guard in need for knickerbockers
A sad state when Lin, isn't an answer but simply BETTER than what you got at a position which hasn't
Had a point in ages is intent of posts.