Knicks · Melo No Trade Clause Update Thread (page 6)
Nalod wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
When his colleague was Antoine Walker, not so much.
Im far from a Melo lover.
Melo played with over the Hill Iverson, and never with the others I mentioned. ChuckBucky has his agenda and is blind to any reason. Thats ok. Yes, I do believe you can take a 3rd tier star and pair with an elite talent will elevate if so willing. That is my hope.
I am long on record to objecting to the trade but that is not the issue anymore. WE are better with him. he is no messiah, nor was pierce alone. Pierce greatest asset was not really all the things you mentioned but a stone cold killer in the clutch. Melo has not had many opportunities as there has not been many important games.
Save your breath, you do know that Chuck has a love affair with Lin, therefore the hate for Melo. You can't talk sense to a jilted lover.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
dk7th wrote:When they lost to the Nets? I don't think people forget that team. The Nets were on an awesome run then.CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...
Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
Melo faults (or success if you look at this form business perspective) in not on the court but in contract negotiation room.
He managed (obviously with help of his agency) to get contracts with size much bigger that players who are much more successful and better on the court managed to get.
Obviously it is all about priorities. Sacrificing some portion of greatness for some amount of money may not be a bad idea.
Making a player who is clearly mostly concerned about his pocket and his brand is a blunder of sport organization which sells him the whole farm. MSG is notorious in putting money ahead of quality of sports. So no surprise there.
jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....
dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
geeez ... not this again 
"I live here."
"This place is haunted by the greats . . . and the not-so-greats." (Does that ghost look like Eddy Curry?)
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/kobe-bryant-ghostbusters-commercial-carmelo-anthony-porzingis-spike-lee-060216
meanwhile revert to Melo doesn't make anyone better, when that proves untenable you can
meanwhile Melo, making NYC money, isn't as cheap as a 20/8 guy in SacTown or Orlando, and as that argument proves stupid, you can
meanwhile Melo should not have made IT and Dolan forceably stupid and steal away his chance to play with IR Gallo, Mayor Invisible, The Guy we Got Back for Nothing, and Long Term Posterization Project Moz, and when you realize that's stupid, you can go back to PP is greater...
The great circle of jerk...
Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....
okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
Showing respect? Making up imaginary,biased comparisons? Which as stated, a bad comparison if you account for supporting cast. Come on, at least be honest, state your real hard on for Melo. We both know it's not that you think he is not as good as PP. Guess we're just different types of fans, Prefer to support our own players over those who have bagged the team I root for. I'll see you at MSG with your PP jersey. We will see how others receive that.
HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
Showing respect? Making up imaginary,biased comparisons? Which as stated, a bad comparison if you account for supporting cast. Come on, at least be honest, state your real hard on for Melo. We both know it's not that you think he is not as good as PP. Guess we're just different types of fans, Prefer to support our own players over those who have bagged the team I root for. I'll see you at MSG with your PP jersey. We will see how others receive that.
no i won't be wearing a pp jersey ever. but people who wear bryant jerseys and chant mvp at msg are the people you should be railing against.
i don't like players who don't play the right way. too many of those in this nba so when i see that relatively rare player playing the right way then i root for him no matter the jersey.
i love the game and its integrity and beauty. i guess you don't share that value. carry on.
dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
Showing respect? Making up imaginary,biased comparisons? Which as stated, a bad comparison if you account for supporting cast. Come on, at least be honest, state your real hard on for Melo. We both know it's not that you think he is not as good as PP. Guess we're just different types of fans, Prefer to support our own players over those who have bagged the team I root for. I'll see you at MSG with your PP jersey. We will see how others receive that.
no i won't be wearing a pp jersey ever. but people who wear bryant jerseys and chant mvp at msg are the people you should be railing against.
i don't like players who don't play the right way. too many of those in this nba so when i see that relatively rare player playing the right way then i root for him no matter the jersey.
i love the game and its integrity and beauty. i guess you don't share that value. carry on.
how about Kyle Lowry? what don't you like about him? Seems to play the right way to me.
mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
Showing respect? Making up imaginary,biased comparisons? Which as stated, a bad comparison if you account for supporting cast. Come on, at least be honest, state your real hard on for Melo. We both know it's not that you think he is not as good as PP. Guess we're just different types of fans, Prefer to support our own players over those who have bagged the team I root for. I'll see you at MSG with your PP jersey. We will see how others receive that.
no i won't be wearing a pp jersey ever. but people who wear bryant jerseys and chant mvp at msg are the people you should be railing against.
i don't like players who don't play the right way. too many of those in this nba so when i see that relatively rare player playing the right way then i root for him no matter the jersey.
i love the game and its integrity and beauty. i guess you don't share that value. carry on.
how about Kyle Lowry? what don't you like about him? Seems to play the right way to me.
i have not seen him play enough to form an opinion. i did see him against indiana and cleveland in the playoffs and thought he was very erratic. his stats for the regular season show a quantum leap in his game over previous seasons.
dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
Showing respect? Making up imaginary,biased comparisons? Which as stated, a bad comparison if you account for supporting cast. Come on, at least be honest, state your real hard on for Melo. We both know it's not that you think he is not as good as PP. Guess we're just different types of fans, Prefer to support our own players over those who have bagged the team I root for. I'll see you at MSG with your PP jersey. We will see how others receive that.
no i won't be wearing a pp jersey ever. but people who wear bryant jerseys and chant mvp at msg are the people you should be railing against.
i don't like players who don't play the right way. too many of those in this nba so when i see that relatively rare player playing the right way then i root for him no matter the jersey.
i love the game and its integrity and beauty. i guess you don't share that value. carry on.
how about Kyle Lowry? what don't you like about him? Seems to play the right way to me.
i have not seen him play enough to form an opinion. i did see him against indiana and cleveland in the playoffs and thought he was very erratic. his stats for the regular season show a quantum leap in his game over previous seasons.
so all the sudden 'you haven't seen enough' of a player to form an opinion? mr. high and mighty has an opinion on EVERYONE, but this time, you don't have enough to go on. what a joke.
nyk4ever wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
Showing respect? Making up imaginary,biased comparisons? Which as stated, a bad comparison if you account for supporting cast. Come on, at least be honest, state your real hard on for Melo. We both know it's not that you think he is not as good as PP. Guess we're just different types of fans, Prefer to support our own players over those who have bagged the team I root for. I'll see you at MSG with your PP jersey. We will see how others receive that.
no i won't be wearing a pp jersey ever. but people who wear bryant jerseys and chant mvp at msg are the people you should be railing against.
i don't like players who don't play the right way. too many of those in this nba so when i see that relatively rare player playing the right way then i root for him no matter the jersey.
i love the game and its integrity and beauty. i guess you don't share that value. carry on.
how about Kyle Lowry? what don't you like about him? Seems to play the right way to me.
i have not seen him play enough to form an opinion. i did see him against indiana and cleveland in the playoffs and thought he was very erratic. his stats for the regular season show a quantum leap in his game over previous seasons.
so all the sudden 'you haven't seen enough' of a player to form an opinion? mr. high and mighty has an opinion on EVERYONE, but this time, you don't have enough to go on. what a joke.
LOL i guess being intellectually honest is a sin
dk7th wrote:nyk4ever wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
Showing respect? Making up imaginary,biased comparisons? Which as stated, a bad comparison if you account for supporting cast. Come on, at least be honest, state your real hard on for Melo. We both know it's not that you think he is not as good as PP. Guess we're just different types of fans, Prefer to support our own players over those who have bagged the team I root for. I'll see you at MSG with your PP jersey. We will see how others receive that.
no i won't be wearing a pp jersey ever. but people who wear bryant jerseys and chant mvp at msg are the people you should be railing against.
i don't like players who don't play the right way. too many of those in this nba so when i see that relatively rare player playing the right way then i root for him no matter the jersey.
i love the game and its integrity and beauty. i guess you don't share that value. carry on.
how about Kyle Lowry? what don't you like about him? Seems to play the right way to me.
i have not seen him play enough to form an opinion. i did see him against indiana and cleveland in the playoffs and thought he was very erratic. his stats for the regular season show a quantum leap in his game over previous seasons.
so all the sudden 'you haven't seen enough' of a player to form an opinion? mr. high and mighty has an opinion on EVERYONE, but this time, you don't have enough to go on. what a joke.
LOL i guess being intellectually honest is a sin
As long as you're doing it while still wearing your Gallinari MVP jersey, it's all good.
dk7th wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:dk7th wrote:Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.
pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.
meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.
Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.
Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?
meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?
melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.
pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.
anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.
which was the greater achievement?
The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.
i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.
had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.
GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?
it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.
you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.
other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....
I agree. there are a lot of players I hated but probably would love if he were on my team. That PP talked smack put him on the hate list. But you have to respect his game
Last shot of the game and PP versus Melo. C'mon, you know PP is taking and hitting that shot, and you know Melo is taking and missing (even if KP is wide open underneath)