Knicks · So many teams will be targeting free agents its going to be very difficult (page 1)

All of us are guilty of saying we can get this guy that guy--and the reality is we only have the 23rd most cap space and most teams will keep their own RFA's

all I'm hoping for is an equivalent offseason to signing Childs and H20

Been trying to keep track of this and update the RFA/UFA with teams.

				Salary	
Rk	Team			2016-17 	Free Agents
30	Cleveland Cavaliers	$103,217,259 	
29	San Antonio Spurs	$84,583,607 	
28	Los Angeles Clippers	$83,949,072 	
27	Toronto Raptors		$82,724,898 	
26	Golden State Warriors	$80,023,544 	
25	Chicago Bulls		$74,201,034 	
24	New Orleans Pelicans	$71,967,511 	
23	Houston Rockets		$71,242,899 	
22	New York Knicks		$69,779,528 	
21	Oklahoma City Thunder	$69,610,963 	
20	Detroit Pistons		$69,150,393 	
19	Minnesota Timberwolves	$68,933,517 	
18	Sacramento Kings	$65,768,345 	
17	Phoenix Suns		$64,221,231 	
16	Memphis Grizzlies	$61,959,704 	
15	Denver Nuggets		$61,725,530 	
14	Dallas Mavericks	$61,315,955 	
13	Utah Jazz		$60,906,285 	
12	Milwaukee Bucks		$60,829,049 	
11	Indiana Pacers		$59,242,253 	
10	Portland Trail Blazers	$56,784,823 	
9	Brooklyn Nets		$56,662,720 	
8	Atlanta Hawks		$55,537,594 	Horford, Bazemore, Muscalla
7	Boston Celtics		$51,161,569 	Turner, Zeller, Sullinger
6	Washington Wizards	$50,268,952 	Beal, Nene, Jarad Dudley, Ramon Sessions
5	Charlotte Hornets	$48,905,399 	Jefferson, Batum, MWilliams, Lee, Lin, Hansbrough
4	Miami Heat		$48,881,586 	Wade, Whiteside
3	Orlando Magic		$44,908,271 	Jennings, Jason Smith, Fournier, 
2	Philadelphia 76ers	$33,377,246 	
1	Los Angeles Lakers	$26,101,518 	

We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

I'd rather strike out than overspend - cap room still has value next year!

I'd prefer we don't offer any max deal to any player older than 26.

We can probably get some cost efficient vets like Lin & Lee - just two examples.

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

Tank this year, get a high draft pick, and save the cap space for 2017.

Just sign 1 year players to fill in the blanks for 2016. That would be the prudent thing to do.

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

Couldn't you argue we overpaid for Robin Lopez, and I don't think he would take this the wrong way - but he is a role player?

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

Couldn't you argue we overpaid for Robin Lopez, and I don't think he would take this the wrong way - but he is a role player?

RoLo is a role player. A good soldier, good locker room guy but nonetheless still a role player borderline starter.

He's merely warming the center spot until KP's frame fills in.

Im going to sit outside the box

I think we need guards a back up C and more guards.

Seth Curry 4 years 30mm (7.5) MLE PG/G

Allen Crabbe 4 years 32mm (8mm)

Boban Marjanovic 3 years 13.5mm (4.5)

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

Couldn't you argue we overpaid for Robin Lopez, and I don't think he would take this the wrong way - but he is a role player?

we didn't over pay and he is def a core player. 27 year old center, great defender in the paint and he finished the year 12ppg, 9rebs, 2blocks and shot 55%. That's core. Defensive starting center that gives you 82 games? Great contract moving forward also. He's a nice chip no matter what happens. Lopez was a FA homerun.

ChuckBuck wrote:Tank this year, get a high draft pick, and save the cap space for 2017.

Just sign 1 year players to fill in the blanks for 2016. That would be the prudent thing to do.

Not a bad idea but even if we spent 15mm on one player--who?

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

You can't compare it to any other example, because the salary cap is different than it has ever been. It will climb each year, so there will likely always be available cap space, at least for the foreseeable future. Not saying it's the right thing to do, but it is much different than managing a team cap from earlier years.

The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.

nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.

Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.

Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.

phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.

Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.

phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jor...

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

I agree. this is not a great crop of FAs for us. Only guys I'd "spend" on are Durant, Derozan (who i actually think would blossom in our system and is the right age), Batum, Harrison Barnes (who I think has a nice well rounded game and his best bball is in front of him). The former two I'd max, and the latter two it would be lucrative but sub max. Having said that, in all cases I want someone who wants to be here. No ass-kissing ala Lebron James "The Decision" and no prima donnas. I would be happy if we could get one of those guys (and I'm realistic that we could get zero)

After that I think we're talking short deals and short money for band-aids, or prove-what-you're-made-of contracts

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

Couldn't you argue we overpaid for Robin Lopez, and I don't think he would take this the wrong way - but he is a role player?

i think he was worth every penny. Many teams have paid more for less.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.

Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.

phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jor...

whether the bold is true or not doesn't matter. Phil Jackson was not only brought in here to fix this organization, but he was brought in here draw talent. If you don't think that's part of his $12mm then this is not a reality based discussion. To say that Phil has yet to land a big fish is 100% fair. Near misses don't count. Im happy with the direction of the team, but it remains to be seen if Phil can bring in marquee talent