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The Dish: Phil Jackson spotted at Gabriele’s Italian Steakhouse in Greenwichhttp://www.greenwichtime.com/news/articl...
Updated 1:43 pm, Saturday, May 14, 2016NY Knicks president Phil Jackson was seen at Gabriele’s Italian Steakhouse in Greenwich recently where he was having a private meeting with ex-Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt, who is rumored to be a candidate for the Knicks head coaching position.
nixluva wrote:This is a big deal IMO. You would think that things are progressing a lot for Phil to be eating with Blatt.I wish they were a little more specific on the date. Either Phil is back from his vacation or this happened prior to it.
CrushAlot wrote:Sounds like Nate McMillan is going to be promoted to be head coach of the Pacers. I still remember his last loss as a head coach against Woodson's Knicks.
Yeah. I think he's a quality coach. He had some good years in Seattle and Portland.
Here we had Tom Thibodeau on the market. Frank Vogel is on the market.
Yet Kurt f'n Rambis is discussed as the top candidate because of the Triangle.
Phil has ran is course here. Did some nice things - like give us Porzingis and Lopez - but the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is his utter insistence on having his friends and associates be the only ones that can work for him. It failed with Fisher and it's going to fail with Rambis.
He did the same thing when he eventually hired Fisher
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The knicks also tend to do this when talking to FA and potential Draft Picks. Phil takes them out to eat and they have a discussion about basketball and from what has been reported philosophy.
JamesKPolk wrote:The update is that senile Phil is sitting around waiting to pick the right time to announce Kurt Rambis as coach.Here we had Tom Thibodeau on the market. Frank Vogel is on the market.
Yet Kurt f'n Rambis is discussed as the top candidate because of the Triangle.
Phil has ran is course here. Did some nice things - like give us Porzingis and Lopez - but the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is his utter insistence on having his friends and associates be the only ones that can work for him. It failed with Fisher and it's going to fail with Rambis.
Why the disrespect? I simply don't understand this point of view when I read it and unfortunately around the internet I see it far too often. Do you suppose the Knicks could be in better hands for a rebuild? Cuz this is a rebuild and we haven't been able to get a GM to do that here and finish the job. IMO it's folly to be making disparaging comments about Phil being Senile. One of the most difficult things is to rebuild a franchise.
Phil is actually allowing his staff to do work and they are being groomed to take over when is actually gone. He's trusting his people and they are doing their jobs. We saw this with the D League team and it's extending all the way up to the big team. This is not a joke organization no matter how many times the media try to make it seem so. People need to open their damned eyes and see what's really going on. F'n UNREAL.
Whoever the coach is Phil is looking to improve this team and build it into a championship team. That is a herculean task anywhere and even harder to do in NY. Some respect for just how hard it is to accomplish would be proper.
JamesKPolk wrote:The update is that senile Phil is sitting around waiting to pick the right time to announce Kurt Rambis as coach.Vogel was fired so they could hire Nate McMillan. Nate was an assistant under Frank. This wasn't an inseason move. Not sure what to make of it but minimally there was something not working as far as the front office was concerned. Nix posted a Blatt update. Maybe Rambis is the guy but if he is I think it has a lot more to do with Phil being able to keep his coaching voice then it does Phil being senile. Polk are you gkf? Did you sell your printer?Here we had Tom Thibodeau on the market. Frank Vogel is on the market.
Yet Kurt f'n Rambis is discussed as the top candidate because of the Triangle.
Phil has ran is course here. Did some nice things - like give us Porzingis and Lopez - but the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is his utter insistence on having his friends and associates be the only ones that can work for him. It failed with Fisher and it's going to fail with Rambis.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sounds like Nate McMillan is going to be promoted to be head coach of the Pacers. I still remember his last loss as a head coach against Woodson's Knicks.Yeah. I think he's a quality coach. He had some good years in Seattle and Portland.
I think he's a good coach but it's a strange choice considering bird wants the team to play quicker- weren't Nate's teams very slow on offense?
I don't want to talk negative about Rambis, but he just doesn't stand out as a highly intelligent coach, more of a system guy. Now, that might be ok considering we probably won't amount to much this next year - so we get a better pick - but we also have to continue to change the culture around here and Blatt could instil more of that imo.
So, if we keep Rambis - I'm ok because we probably play worse and get a better pick. A 2 step back kind of thing.
If we get Blatt, we are probably going to be in the middle but building something for the future and much more of an attaction to FA's. Sort of a 1 step back thing.
smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sounds like Nate McMillan is going to be promoted to be head coach of the Pacers. I still remember his last loss as a head coach against Woodson's Knicks.Yeah. I think he's a quality coach. He had some good years in Seattle and Portland.
I think he's a good coach but it's a strange choice considering bird wants the team to play quicker- weren't Nate's teams very slow on offense?
I am starting to think Bird fired Vogel to be cheap more than anything. Vogel's contract was up and he was likely going to demand between 5-7 mil a year to stay.
nixluva wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:The update is that senile Phil is sitting around waiting to pick the right time to announce Kurt Rambis as coach.Here we had Tom Thibodeau on the market. Frank Vogel is on the market.
Yet Kurt f'n Rambis is discussed as the top candidate because of the Triangle.
Phil has ran is course here. Did some nice things - like give us Porzingis and Lopez - but the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is his utter insistence on having his friends and associates be the only ones that can work for him. It failed with Fisher and it's going to fail with Rambis.
Why the disrespect? I simply don't understand this point of view when I read it and unfortunately around the internet I see it far too often. Do you suppose the Knicks could be in better hands for a rebuild? Cuz this is a rebuild and we haven't been able to get a GM to do that here and finish the job. IMO it's folly to be making disparaging comments about Phil being Senile. One of the most difficult things is to rebuild a franchise.Phil is actually allowing his staff to do work and they are being groomed to take over when is actually gone. He's trusting his people and they are doing their jobs. We saw this with the D League team and it's extending all the way up to the big team. This is not a joke organization no matter how many times the media try to make it seem so. People need to open their damned eyes and see what's really going on. F'n UNREAL.
Whoever the coach is Phil is looking to improve this team and build it into a championship team. That is a herculean task anywhere and even harder to do in NY. Some respect for just how hard it is to accomplish would be proper.
You may not understand the point of view however it's just as valid an opinion as your own. Nix you seem to think Jax can do no wrong the fact of the matter is Rambis should _not even be dischssed_ as a serious candidate for the job. The reason being no matter how much he knows the triangle, no matter how well Phil knows him, etc etc he has had AMPLE opportunity go to show he is a capable NBA head coach in almost 300 career games and he hasn't even won 50 of them. That is horrible, no matter the personnel and the excuses of rebuilding, David Kahn, etc etc. You have Anthony and likely Mills putting it out in the press that they have no faith in the guy and you also have rumblings that Porzingis wasn't happy how he was utilized. His numbers also flailed when Rambis took over and decided a player who could be the ultimate stretch 4-5 and Rambis wants him down low most of the time. In Minny he also alienated a young Kevin Love, used him totally wrong and benched him for Ryan Freaking Gomes. That is a bad, bad sign. No denying that. He has only shown himself to be a bad coach. A very bad coach in all his opportunities. His interim time with the Knicks he had just as bad a record as fisher and had vets openly questioning why he wasn't developing the young guys. I mean. WTF???
Rambis' reputation around the league is that of a laughingstock. Where there is smoke there is fire. Now you nor I have any real clue what's going on the locker room however going from what we read and get from sources around the NBA and elsewhere the idea of hiring Rambis is UNIVERSALLY regarded as a terrible move. You just can't discount this as "Phil 11 rings, rebuilding, triangle blah blah blah".
To not even interview Tbibs is horrible. To even discuss Rambis is horrible. I haven't been a Phil detractor so far but this whole Rambis thing is beyond the pale. I'm sorry.
H1AND1 wrote:nixluva wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:The update is that senile Phil is sitting around waiting to pick the right time to announce Kurt Rambis as coach.Here we had Tom Thibodeau on the market. Frank Vogel is on the market.
Yet Kurt f'n Rambis is discussed as the top candidate because of the Triangle.
Phil has ran is course here. Did some nice things - like give us Porzingis and Lopez - but the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is his utter insistence on having his friends and associates be the only ones that can work for him. It failed with Fisher and it's going to fail with Rambis.
Why the disrespect? I simply don't understand this point of view when I read it and unfortunately around the internet I see it far too often. Do you suppose the Knicks could be in better hands for a rebuild? Cuz this is a rebuild and we haven't been able to get a GM to do that here and finish the job. IMO it's folly to be making disparaging comments about Phil being Senile. One of the most difficult things is to rebuild a franchise.Phil is actually allowing his staff to do work and they are being groomed to take over when is actually gone. He's trusting his people and they are doing their jobs. We saw this with the D League team and it's extending all the way up to the big team. This is not a joke organization no matter how many times the media try to make it seem so. People need to open their damned eyes and see what's really going on. F'n UNREAL.
Whoever the coach is Phil is looking to improve this team and build it into a championship team. That is a herculean task anywhere and even harder to do in NY. Some respect for just how hard it is to accomplish would be proper.
You may not understand the point of view however it's just as valid an opinion as your own. Nix you seem to think Jax can do no wrong the fact of the matter is Rambis should _not even be dischssed_ as a serious candidate for the job. The reason being no matter how much he knows the triangle, no matter how well Phil knows him, etc etc he has had AMPLE opportunity go to show he is a capable NBA head coach in almost 300 career games and he hasn't even won 50 of them. That is horrible, no matter the personnel and the excuses of rebuilding, David Kahn, etc etc. You have Anthony and likely Mills putting it out in the press that they have no faith in the guy and you also have rumblings that Porzingis wasn't happy how he was utilized. His numbers also flailed when Rambis took over and decided a player who could be the ultimate stretch 4-5 and Rambis wants him down low most of the time. In Minny he also alienated a young Kevin Love, used him totally wrong and benched him for Ryan Freaking Gomes. That is a bad, bad sign. No denying that. He has only shown himself to be a bad coach. A very bad coach in all his opportunities. His interim time with the Knicks he had just as bad a record as fisher and had vets openly questioning why he wasn't developing the young guys. I mean. WTF???
Rambis' reputation around the league is that of a laughingstock. Where there is smoke there is fire. Now you nor I have any real clue what's going on the locker room however going from what we read and get from sources around the NBA and elsewhere the idea of hiring Rambis is UNIVERSALLY regarded as a terrible move. You just can't discount this as "Phil 11 rings, rebuilding, triangle blah blah blah".
To not even interview Tbibs is horrible. To even discuss Rambis is horrible. I haven't been a Phil detractor so far but this whole Rambis thing is beyond the pale. I'm sorry.
You seem to be boiling most of this down to Rambis as if Phil already named him Head Coach. This to me is just not right. You can't kill a guy for something he hasn't done yet! I prefer a Blatt or Vogel as many others do but I'm not prejudging Phil's decision.
Even if he does go with Rambis that isn't the end of the world. The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
Whoever Phil decides will be the Head Coach, it is only one aspect of Phil's work to try and build this team. Too suggest as some have that Phil has run his course is ludicrous. He just got started and people talk like he's been here forever and hasn't produced. How about giving him some time to actually finish his vision for the team?
The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.
How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
H1AND1 wrote:nixluva wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:The update is that senile Phil is sitting around waiting to pick the right time to announce Kurt Rambis as coach.Here we had Tom Thibodeau on the market. Frank Vogel is on the market.
Yet Kurt f'n Rambis is discussed as the top candidate because of the Triangle.
Phil has ran is course here. Did some nice things - like give us Porzingis and Lopez - but the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is his utter insistence on having his friends and associates be the only ones that can work for him. It failed with Fisher and it's going to fail with Rambis.
Why the disrespect? I simply don't understand this point of view when I read it and unfortunately around the internet I see it far too often. Do you suppose the Knicks could be in better hands for a rebuild? Cuz this is a rebuild and we haven't been able to get a GM to do that here and finish the job. IMO it's folly to be making disparaging comments about Phil being Senile. One of the most difficult things is to rebuild a franchise.Phil is actually allowing his staff to do work and they are being groomed to take over when is actually gone. He's trusting his people and they are doing their jobs. We saw this with the D League team and it's extending all the way up to the big team. This is not a joke organization no matter how many times the media try to make it seem so. People need to open their damned eyes and see what's really going on. F'n UNREAL.
Whoever the coach is Phil is looking to improve this team and build it into a championship team. That is a herculean task anywhere and even harder to do in NY. Some respect for just how hard it is to accomplish would be proper.
You may not understand the point of view however it's just as valid an opinion as your own. Nix you seem to think Jax can do no wrong the fact of the matter is Rambis should _not even be dischssed_ as a serious candidate for the job. The reason being no matter how much he knows the triangle, no matter how well Phil knows him, etc etc he has had AMPLE opportunity go to show he is a capable NBA head coach in almost 300 career games and he hasn't even won 50 of them. That is horrible, no matter the personnel and the excuses of rebuilding, David Kahn, etc etc. You have Anthony and likely Mills putting it out in the press that they have no faith in the guy and you also have rumblings that Porzingis wasn't happy how he was utilized. His numbers also flailed when Rambis took over and decided a player who could be the ultimate stretch 4-5 and Rambis wants him down low most of the time. In Minny he also alienated a young Kevin Love, used him totally wrong and benched him for Ryan Freaking Gomes. That is a bad, bad sign. No denying that. He has only shown himself to be a bad coach. A very bad coach in all his opportunities. His interim time with the Knicks he had just as bad a record as fisher and had vets openly questioning why he wasn't developing the young guys. I mean. WTF???
Rambis' reputation around the league is that of a laughingstock. Where there is smoke there is fire. Now you nor I have any real clue what's going on the locker room however going from what we read and get from sources around the NBA and elsewhere the idea of hiring Rambis is UNIVERSALLY regarded as a terrible move. You just can't discount this as "Phil 11 rings, rebuilding, triangle blah blah blah".
To not even interview Tbibs is horrible. To even discuss Rambis is horrible. I haven't been a Phil detractor so far but this whole Rambis thing is beyond the pale. I'm sorry.
I like this post. While I don't want to criticize Phil for making Rambis head coach, because he hasn't done that yet, I will not be happy if that ends up being the decision. Rambis basically sucks. I don't know why we would consider him at all. As this post summarizes his record is not just dismal, it's destitute. If the ONLY goal of 2016 season is to get the highest possible draft pick in 2017 then he is the right guy for the job. But if we are serious about developing the kids and not setting them backwards we need real coaches here, which Rambis is not.
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H1AND1 wrote:The most important thing is for this roster to be upgraded and young players developed, which is what Rambis has been successful doing for Phil for years.How on earth do you know that Rambis was Phil's young talent developer? Or that he did that at all? What young talents besides Kobe, somebody who was going to be a star no matter what because he's a psychopathicly driven have Phil and Rambis et al developed? Seriously.
Perhaps you didn't see my other posts in other threads showing that Rambis was working with Bynum and he was working with KP and others on the Knicks since the summer. It's a pretty well documented fact that Rambis teaches. Rambis was also the Defensive Specialist for Phil in LA. Also doesn't it seem off base to think that one of the best coaches of all time wouldn't know if a guy was helping him or not. If Rambis wasn't effective why in the world would Phil have him as his top assistant and hire him again in that capacity for Fish?
Is Phil an idiot that doesn't know enough about basketball to know if a coach is helping him win Titles or not?
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