Knicks · Knicks have discussed trading for Rose internally (page 7)

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joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

I think Wroten and Rose can both co-exist. I have no feeling on Grant honestly. He neither impressed me or disapointed me. For whatever reason he kind of reminds me of Jeff Teague and I am not a huge fan of his. Rose's ceiling could be high and as much as I love Wroten to realistically expect him to be as good as I think he can be is admittedly optimistic.

To get talent we are gonna have to pay and to be honest the only PG I like is Westbrook. Outside of him, I have no feeling for any PG's this year. Conley is ok but is not worth the max. I already said I don't like Teague. Rondo is flawed and not worth max. Idk. I'd rather just take a chance on Rose at the right price.

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joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

They find it every year. They take on a deal like Amare's expiring two years ago where they only pay 1/3 of the actual contract and they usually add a pluck for taking that big of a salary for another team. I don't think Jose solves anything for them.

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joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

They find it every year. They take on a deal like Amare's expiring two years ago where they only pay 1/3 of the actual contract and they usually add a pluck for taking that big of a salary for another team. I don't think Jose solves anything for them.

Sixers never acquired Amare and they've never had to scramble to find that much money to be within the league's standard operating practices. They only have put so many available roster spots to make it happen and big ticket contracts are out of their reach. Because of that and Calderon's "good guy" persona, I think it could happen.

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fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

I think Wroten and Rose can both co-exist. I have no feeling on Grant honestly. He neither impressed me or disapointed me. For whatever reason he kind of reminds me of Jeff Teague and I am not a huge fan of his. Rose's ceiling could be high and as much as I love Wroten to realistically expect him to be as good as I think he can be is admittedly optimistic.

To get talent we are gonna have to pay and to be honest the only PG I like is Westbrook. Outside of him, I have no feeling for any PG's this year. Conley is ok but is not worth the max. I already said I don't like Teague. Rondo is flawed and not worth max. Idk. I'd rather just take a chance on Rose at the right price.

The *best* possible scenario I could envision with Rose is we get a good pick for taking him and draft a solid player. When Rose starts the season well we trade him Dec 15 to the first team willing to give anything useful and turn it over to the young guys... and that strikes me as road full of mines

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fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

I think Wroten and Rose can both co-exist. I have no feeling on Grant honestly. He neither impressed me or disapointed me. For whatever reason he kind of reminds me of Jeff Teague and I am not a huge fan of his. Rose's ceiling could be high and as much as I love Wroten to realistically expect him to be as good as I think he can be is admittedly optimistic.

To get talent we are gonna have to pay and to be honest the only PG I like is Westbrook. Outside of him, I have no feeling for any PG's this year. Conley is ok but is not worth the max. I already said I don't like Teague. Rondo is flawed and not worth max. Idk. I'd rather just take a chance on Rose at the right price.

Here's my point though with Rose... you have to pay twice. You have to pay to get him and you have to pay to keep him. I mean is the hope that he regains some of his old form? Here's the thing.. its been 4 years since Derrick Rose was a good basketball player. 4 years. Think about that.

The *best* possible scenario I could envision with Rose is we get a good pick for taking him and draft a solid player. When Rose starts the season well we trade him Dec 15 to the first team willing to give anything useful and turn it over to the young guys... and that strikes me as road full of mines

I dont see it as paying twice though. Calderon and O'Quinn and maybe Grant is hardly paying to me. Now you do have to pay to resign him I get that too. But that is down the road a year. Take it a step at a time with this guy. If he doesnt perform hes a FA and we opened up a couple mil getting rid of O'Quinn and Grant for the Summer of 2017. If he does perform and turns into a 28 year old version of 33 year old Wade, I'll take that. I think moneywise stuff is going to be like we've never seen before. I mean Mike Conley is asking for the max, and might legitimately get it! Derozan, too!

Right now, turning it over to the young guys is turning it over to Porzingis, to me anyway. Galloway fell real short and may be best as a 6th man or at best a Mario Chalmers level PG. Grant I see as Darren Collison level if that. Williams (if resigned), OQuinn, Serapin, are nice depth pieces but none constitute a cornerstone. I said before the guy I am MOST looking forward to is Wroten as he has the highest upside to me but he also has the biggest question mark around his neck.

I think to be competitive long term, getting a guy in Rose's talent level, age range, on a basically 1 year show me deal-as long as we arent eating any extra salary and get to keep that $30 MIL Afflalo and Derrick so graciously gave us today, this can be a very quick turnaround.

Rose
FA Shooting Guard (Fournier? Beal? Clarkson? Derozan?)
Melo
Porzingis
Rolo

Wroten, Gallo, resigned Williams (Maybe), Willie....

Sounds like a decent start

This gives us the PG that Hornaceck wants without MARRYING him we give up 12mm in cap space and a highly restrictive # 1 pick that should ultimately convey to 2 second rounders.

We would probably have to concede that Rose would be a 28-30 minute player.

This hedges me out to the 2017 draft and free agency to HOPEFULLY finalize our long term team while trying to stay competitive in 2016-2017

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

I think Wroten and Rose can both co-exist. I have no feeling on Grant honestly. He neither impressed me or disapointed me. For whatever reason he kind of reminds me of Jeff Teague and I am not a huge fan of his. Rose's ceiling could be high and as much as I love Wroten to realistically expect him to be as good as I think he can be is admittedly optimistic.

To get talent we are gonna have to pay and to be honest the only PG I like is Westbrook. Outside of him, I have no feeling for any PG's this year. Conley is ok but is not worth the max. I already said I don't like Teague. Rondo is flawed and not worth max. Idk. I'd rather just take a chance on Rose at the right price.

Here's my point though with Rose... you have to pay twice. You have to pay to get him and you have to pay to keep him. I mean is the hope that he regains some of his old form? Here's the thing.. its been 4 years since Derrick Rose was a good basketball player. 4 years. Think about that.

The *best* possible scenario I could envision with Rose is we get a good pick for taking him and draft a solid player. When Rose starts the season well we trade him Dec 15 to the first team willing to give anything useful and turn it over to the young guys... and that strikes me as road full of mines

I dont see it as paying twice though. Calderon and O'Quinn and maybe Grant is hardly paying to me. Now you do have to pay to resign him I get that too. But that is down the road a year. Take it a step at a time with this guy. If he doesnt perform hes a FA and we opened up a couple mil getting rid of O'Quinn and Grant for the Summer of 2017. If he does perform and turns into a 28 year old version of 33 year old Wade, I'll take that. I think moneywise stuff is going to be like we've never seen before. I mean Mike Conley is asking for the max, and might legitimately get it! Derozan, too!

Right now, turning it over to the young guys is turning it over to Porzingis, to me anyway. Galloway fell real short and may be best as a 6th man or at best a Mario Chalmers level PG. Grant I see as Darren Collison level if that. Williams (if resigned), OQuinn, Serapin, are nice depth pieces but none constitute a cornerstone. I said before the guy I am MOST looking forward to is Wroten as he has the highest upside to me but he also has the biggest question mark around his neck.

I think to be competitive long term, getting a guy in Rose's talent level, age range, on a basically 1 year show me deal-as long as we arent eating any extra salary and get to keep that $30 MIL Afflalo and Derrick so graciously gave us today, this can be a very quick turnaround.

Rose
FA Shooting Guard (Fournier? Beal? Clarkson? Derozan?)
Melo
Porzingis
Rolo

Wroten, Gallo, resigned Williams (Maybe), Willie....

Sounds like a decent start

Go look at realgm's Chi board. Chi fans trash Rose morning noon and night. He's terrible

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

I think Wroten and Rose can both co-exist. I have no feeling on Grant honestly. He neither impressed me or disapointed me. For whatever reason he kind of reminds me of Jeff Teague and I am not a huge fan of his. Rose's ceiling could be high and as much as I love Wroten to realistically expect him to be as good as I think he can be is admittedly optimistic.

To get talent we are gonna have to pay and to be honest the only PG I like is Westbrook. Outside of him, I have no feeling for any PG's this year. Conley is ok but is not worth the max. I already said I don't like Teague. Rondo is flawed and not worth max. Idk. I'd rather just take a chance on Rose at the right price.

Here's my point though with Rose... you have to pay twice. You have to pay to get him and you have to pay to keep him. I mean is the hope that he regains some of his old form? Here's the thing.. its been 4 years since Derrick Rose was a good basketball player. 4 years. Think about that.

The *best* possible scenario I could envision with Rose is we get a good pick for taking him and draft a solid player. When Rose starts the season well we trade him Dec 15 to the first team willing to give anything useful and turn it over to the young guys... and that strikes me as road full of mines

I dont see it as paying twice though. Calderon and O'Quinn and maybe Grant is hardly paying to me. Now you do have to pay to resign him I get that too. But that is down the road a year. Take it a step at a time with this guy. If he doesnt perform hes a FA and we opened up a couple mil getting rid of O'Quinn and Grant for the Summer of 2017. If he does perform and turns into a 28 year old version of 33 year old Wade, I'll take that. I think moneywise stuff is going to be like we've never seen before. I mean Mike Conley is asking for the max, and might legitimately get it! Derozan, too!

Right now, turning it over to the young guys is turning it over to Porzingis, to me anyway. Galloway fell real short and may be best as a 6th man or at best a Mario Chalmers level PG. Grant I see as Darren Collison level if that. Williams (if resigned), OQuinn, Serapin, are nice depth pieces but none constitute a cornerstone. I said before the guy I am MOST looking forward to is Wroten as he has the highest upside to me but he also has the biggest question mark around his neck.

I think to be competitive long term, getting a guy in Rose's talent level, age range, on a basically 1 year show me deal-as long as we arent eating any extra salary and get to keep that $30 MIL Afflalo and Derrick so graciously gave us today, this can be a very quick turnaround.

Rose
FA Shooting Guard (Fournier? Beal? Clarkson? Derozan?)
Melo
Porzingis
Rolo

Wroten, Gallo, resigned Williams (Maybe), Willie....

Sounds like a decent start

you would give up Grant? For Rose? Right now today Grant is a better player. Have you seen Rose play besides highlights? He is terrible. This is like giving up picks for Bargs. Rose has not played remotely good basketball for 4 years. I don't think you realize how terrible Rose has played. There isn't a single number stat or quote that says anything but bad basketball.

Go look at realgm's Chi board. Chi fans trash Rose morning noon and night. He's terrible

Risk/Reward, brother. There is, to me, no risk in acquiring Rose even trading Grant. I already said I am not in love with Grant. He wasn't drafted as a project, i was under the impression he was NBA ready. Maybe it can be attributed to the triangle or whatever, but nothing about him stands out to me, either. Decision making, athleticismn passing, shooting, defense, nothing stands out to me.

Rose is a no strings attached tryout. He played better towards the end of the season. Right now all the fans love Butler, and understandably so. But Rose isnt a long term investment unless they choose to make him one. He has a high reward just his talent level alone. And even if he becomes a Rodman level pain on the ass, cut him and walk away at the end of the season. No long term hurt, but you can make it a long term gain if you can include contracts like O Quinn's to free up some money for next summer.

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CrushAlot wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

They find it every year. They take on a deal like Amare's expiring two years ago where they only pay 1/3 of the actual contract and they usually add a pluck for taking that big of a salary for another team. I don't think Jose solves anything for them.

Sixers never acquired Amare and they've never had to scramble to find that much money to be within the league's standard operating practices. They only have put so many available roster spots to make it happen and big ticket contracts are out of their reach. Because of that and Calderon's "good guy" persona, I think it could happen.

As the Denver Nuggets continue to attempt to offload veterans and salary as part of a rebuilding project, they traded JaVale McGee to the Philadelphia 76ers, the Nuggets announced Thursday.

The 76ers have enough salary-cap space to take on McGee, who has been plagued with injuries over the past two years and fallen out of Denver coach Brian Shaw's plans. Unloading McGee creates an $11.2 million trade exception for the Nuggets, who will also clear the $12 million McGee had coming to him next season from their books.

To do this deal, the 76ers will acquire the Oklahoma City Thunder's 2015 first-round pick, which the Nuggets got in an earlier trade for Timofey Mozgov. That pick is top-18 protected, and if it rolls to next year it would be lottery protected. Denver also traded the rights to Chukwudiebere Maduabum to Philadelphia in exchange for the right to Cenk Akyol.

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joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

They find it every year. They take on a deal like Amare's expiring two years ago where they only pay 1/3 of the actual contract and they usually add a pluck for taking that big of a salary for another team. I don't think Jose solves anything for them.

Sixers never acquired Amare and they've never had to scramble to find that much money to be within the league's standard operating practices. They only have put so many available roster spots to make it happen and big ticket contracts are out of their reach. Because of that and Calderon's "good guy" persona, I think it could happen.

Amare was an example. He was talked about as a guy that could potentially be traded to the Sixers that year. They traded for McGee instead.

As the Denver Nuggets continue to attempt to offload veterans and salary as part of a rebuilding project, they traded JaVale McGee to the Philadelphia 76ers, the Nuggets announced Thursday.

The 76ers have enough salary-cap space to take on McGee, who has been plagued with injuries over the past two years and fallen out of Denver coach Brian Shaw's plans. Unloading McGee creates an $11.2 million trade exception for the Nuggets, who will also clear the $12 million McGee had coming to him next season from their books.

To do this deal, the 76ers will acquire the Oklahoma City Thunder's 2015 first-round pick, which the Nuggets got in an earlier trade for Timofey Mozgov. That pick is top-18 protected, and if it rolls to next year it would be lottery protected. Denver also traded the rights to Chukwudiebere Maduabum to Philadelphia in exchange for the right to Cenk Akyol.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/123479... They waived him a week later. They do it every year. McGee's deal came with a first round pick, and kept the Sixers from having to pay their players the money they would have had to because they were below the floor.

The Sixers already have 8 players under contract- 11 if you count team options- totaling $27 million in salaries. With their 3 first round draft picks this year and Dario Saric on deck, the Sixers will have 12-15 roster spots locked up, which would not even exceed $35 million. Even if they wamted to, they simply have no room to make the sort of trades you're proposing. And with the cap exploding, "bad" contracts no longer seem that bad, which makes me skeptical that a market for a JaVale McGee type dump exists. I was reviewing the list of top earners on HoopsHype and only a couple guys stuck out as the type that a team would want to get rid of e.g. Tyson Chandler on a 3 year/$14 million per contract; Omer Asik on a 4 year/~$9 million per contract. It's going to be tough for them to reach that floor.

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crzymdups wrote:

TLover wrote:22 million dollars for a low lottery pick; doubt the owner goes for that.

Considering D. Rose started to show signs of his old game last season is promising. Not to mention, he's better than what we have now.
YouTube last game he played against the Knicks. He was ball'n.

Have no problem trading Lopez for him. If we can get a draft pick thrown in, even better.
If it doesn't work out he's off the books after the season.

I think it is worth considering. Only if Conley says no.

Derrick Rose to me is a risk on par with Rondo or Jennings. Slightly higher upside. More risk for downside. Not a "no brainer" trade, but something you think about.

It may be worth considering if it's a pure contract dump. It's lunancy if it involves us giving up assets for a guy who has only played in 50% of his games over 4 seasons (per info provided by RealGM).

Andrea Bargnani was a ridiculous trade from the jump. This one may very well be more foolish.

I would not give up anything of value. I think Jose Calderon should be enough.

The Bargnani thing was awful because it was so bad for team chemistry. Not sure if Rose would be.

Of the legit PG options, Rose would be 4th on my list behind Conley, Rondo, Jennings. Rose I'd have to think about and if it involved giving up a first round pick, the answer would prob be no.

I think they're gonna get a hell of a lot more than a lot of you think they will. He played pretty damn good last year and i think he played like 66 games or something like that but he also had some bad games which you would expect with a guy that's missed so many games over the last 2/3 years. He only has one year left as well so i can absolutely see a team giving up more than some of the suggestions on here look like and they'll definitely get more than J.Calderon from us if we made the trade somehow.

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joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

I wouldn't doubt if we could find a taker for Jose cause he's in the final year of his deal so someone could take him on for that veteran presence.

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NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

They find it every year. They take on a deal like Amare's expiring two years ago where they only pay 1/3 of the actual contract and they usually add a pluck for taking that big of a salary for another team. I don't think Jose solves anything for them.

Sixers never acquired Amare and they've never had to scramble to find that much money to be within the league's standard operating practices. They only have put so many available roster spots to make it happen and big ticket contracts are out of their reach. Because of that and Calderon's "good guy" persona, I think it could happen.

Amare was an example. He was talked about as a guy that could potentially be traded to the Sixers that year. They traded for McGee instead.

As the Denver Nuggets continue to attempt to offload veterans and salary as part of a rebuilding project, they traded JaVale McGee to the Philadelphia 76ers, the Nuggets announced Thursday.

The 76ers have enough salary-cap space to take on McGee, who has been plagued with injuries over the past two years and fallen out of Denver coach Brian Shaw's plans. Unloading McGee creates an $11.2 million trade exception for the Nuggets, who will also clear the $12 million McGee had coming to him next season from their books.

To do this deal, the 76ers will acquire the Oklahoma City Thunder's 2015 first-round pick, which the Nuggets got in an earlier trade for Timofey Mozgov. That pick is top-18 protected, and if it rolls to next year it would be lottery protected. Denver also traded the rights to Chukwudiebere Maduabum to Philadelphia in exchange for the right to Cenk Akyol.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/123479... They waived him a week later. They do it every year. McGee's deal came with a first round pick, and kept the Sixers from having to pay their players the money they would have had to because they were below the floor.

The Sixers already have 8 players under contract- 11 if you count team options- totaling $27 million in salaries. With their 3 first round draft picks this year and Dario Saric on deck, the Sixers will have 12-15 roster spots locked up, which would not even exceed $35 million. Even if they wamted to, they simply have no room to make the sort of trades you're proposing. And with the cap exploding, "bad" contracts no longer seem that bad, which makes me skeptical that a market for a JaVale McGee type dump exists. I was reviewing the list of top earners on HoopsHype and only a couple guys stuck out as the type that a team would want to get rid of e.g. Tyson Chandler on a 3 year/$14 million per contract; Omer Asik on a 4 year/~$9 million per contract. It's going to be tough for them to reach that floor.

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

They find it every year. They take on a deal like Amare's expiring two years ago where they only pay 1/3 of the actual contract and they usually add a pluck for taking that big of a salary for another team. I don't think Jose solves anything for them.

Sixers never acquired Amare and they've never had to scramble to find that much money to be within the league's standard operating practices. They only have put so many available roster spots to make it happen and big ticket contracts are out of their reach. Because of that and Calderon's "good guy" persona, I think it could happen.

Amare was an example. He was talked about as a guy that could potentially be traded to the Sixers that year. They traded for McGee instead.

As the Denver Nuggets continue to attempt to offload veterans and salary as part of a rebuilding project, they traded JaVale McGee to the Philadelphia 76ers, the Nuggets announced Thursday.

The 76ers have enough salary-cap space to take on McGee, who has been plagued with injuries over the past two years and fallen out of Denver coach Brian Shaw's plans. Unloading McGee creates an $11.2 million trade exception for the Nuggets, who will also clear the $12 million McGee had coming to him next season from their books.

To do this deal, the 76ers will acquire the Oklahoma City Thunder's 2015 first-round pick, which the Nuggets got in an earlier trade for Timofey Mozgov. That pick is top-18 protected, and if it rolls to next year it would be lottery protected. Denver also traded the rights to Chukwudiebere Maduabum to Philadelphia in exchange for the right to Cenk Akyol.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/123479... They waived him a week later. They do it every year. McGee's deal came with a first round pick, and kept the Sixers from having to pay their players the money they would have had to because they were below the floor.

The Sixers already have 8 players under contract- 11 if you count team options- totaling $27 million in salaries. With their 3 first round draft picks this year and Dario Saric on deck, the Sixers will have 12-15 roster spots locked up, which would not even exceed $35 million. Even if they wamted to, they simply have no room to make the sort of trades you're proposing. And with the cap exploding, "bad" contracts no longer seem that bad, which makes me skeptical that a market for a JaVale McGee type dump exists. I was reviewing the list of top earners on HoopsHype and only a couple guys stuck out as the type that a team would want to get rid of e.g. Tyson Chandler on a 3 year/$14 million per contract; Omer Asik on a 4 year/~$9 million per contract. It's going to be tough for them to reach that floor.

They have new management. Maybe they move a guy like Noel for Teague or maybe they over pay for a character vet. Jose is possible but they have better options in my opinion.

When's the last time a quality vet went to a bottomfeeder, even if it involved them getting grossly overpaid? I can't think of an example.

And even if they get Teague, what makes you think that they won't need a 2nd or 3rd string PG? Because that is what Calderon could be for them.

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CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.

I don't think so. I read an article speculating this (daily knicks?). I don't think there is a market for Jose.

And how/where will the Sixers find the $50 million in salaries necessary to reach the cap floor? After all, no real free agents will sign there.

They find it every year. They take on a deal like Amare's expiring two years ago where they only pay 1/3 of the actual contract and they usually add a pluck for taking that big of a salary for another team. I don't think Jose solves anything for them.

Sixers never acquired Amare and they've never had to scramble to find that much money to be within the league's standard operating practices. They only have put so many available roster spots to make it happen and big ticket contracts are out of their reach. Because of that and Calderon's "good guy" persona, I think it could happen.

Amare was an example. He was talked about as a guy that could potentially be traded to the Sixers that year. They traded for McGee instead.

As the Denver Nuggets continue to attempt to offload veterans and salary as part of a rebuilding project, they traded JaVale McGee to the Philadelphia 76ers, the Nuggets announced Thursday.

The 76ers have enough salary-cap space to take on McGee, who has been plagued with injuries over the past two years and fallen out of Denver coach Brian Shaw's plans. Unloading McGee creates an $11.2 million trade exception for the Nuggets, who will also clear the $12 million McGee had coming to him next season from their books.

To do this deal, the 76ers will acquire the Oklahoma City Thunder's 2015 first-round pick, which the Nuggets got in an earlier trade for Timofey Mozgov. That pick is top-18 protected, and if it rolls to next year it would be lottery protected. Denver also traded the rights to Chukwudiebere Maduabum to Philadelphia in exchange for the right to Cenk Akyol.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/123479... They waived him a week later. They do it every year. McGee's deal came with a first round pick, and kept the Sixers from having to pay their players the money they would have had to because they were below the floor.

The Sixers already have 8 players under contract- 11 if you count team options- totaling $27 million in salaries. With their 3 first round draft picks this year and Dario Saric on deck, the Sixers will have 12-15 roster spots locked up, which would not even exceed $35 million. Even if they wamted to, they simply have no room to make the sort of trades you're proposing. And with the cap exploding, "bad" contracts no longer seem that bad, which makes me skeptical that a market for a JaVale McGee type dump exists. I was reviewing the list of top earners on HoopsHype and only a couple guys stuck out as the type that a team would want to get rid of e.g. Tyson Chandler on a 3 year/$14 million per contract; Omer Asik on a 4 year/~$9 million per contract. It's going to be tough for them to reach that floor.

They have new management. Maybe they move a guy like Noel for Teague or maybe they over pay for a character vet. Jose is possible but they have better options in my opinion.

When's the last time a quality vet went to a bottomfeeder, even if it involved them getting grossly overpaid? I can't think of an example.

And even if they get Teague, what makes you think that they won't need a 2nd or 3rd string PG? Because that is what Calderon could be for them.

mreinman wrote:sixers are a run and gun team ... jose fits? or are we fitting him in there for them?

CrushAlot wrote:Crazy thought. Bulls send Dinwiddie, Rose and the 14th pick for Rolo, Grant, and Jose. It works on trade checker.

No way. I am not giving up nothing for Rose. They should be sending a 1st just to take him of their hands. If they take on Calderon toss in a 1st rd pick, and Gibson then we would have something to talk about. Tony Wroten gives you what Rose gives you and Wroten has sucked thus far in his career.