meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If there are no foundational players available then there's no need to target overrated injured players because of some possibility that they will magically regain their form from 6 years ago. We already had s perfectly good center on a reasonable deal. I didn't want to be in a situation to starfukk for a center to start with.Giving up good healthy players on reasonable contracts for injured players with declining skills is never going to build anything.
So your issue is with the trade? The trade happened and can't be changed. What would you have done differently in free agency? KP talked yesterday about how much playing beside Rolo helped him. How would you have replaced that piece differently with your criteria?
My issue is and has been with changing direction from long term focus to short term grasping at straws. You can separate the trade all you want. To me it's exactly what's wrong with the Knicks approach to this off season.
I fail to see how anyone who has followed the Knicks organization for any length of time genuinely believed they were going to bypass a market opportunity to improve and to generate greater interest in the upcoming season in favor of a 4-5 year rebuild.
To continue to wish upon a star it's going to happen is one thing, but to profess belief it was occurring seems odd.
The Knicks are the Knicks. They don't do multi-year rebuilds. If anyone managed to convince themselves they were in the middle of one last year, that's on them.
ekstarks94 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Curry to Noah comps immediately disqualies whomever uttered it as having any credibility.
Before imposing your wisdom on the rest of us less fortunate people, at least attempt to understand what was written.
I did and do.
Trolling at its finest
Yup, because invoking the name Eddy Curry on a Knicks message board in comparison to a new acquisition wasn't done to incite a reaction.
LOL - you are a conspiracy theorist to boot. Figures 
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Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If there are no foundational players available then there's no need to target overrated injured players because of some possibility that they will magically regain their form from 6 years ago. We already had s perfectly good center on a reasonable deal. I didn't want to be in a situation to starfukk for a center to start with.Giving up good healthy players on reasonable contracts for injured players with declining skills is never going to build anything.
So your issue is with the trade? The trade happened and can't be changed. What would you have done differently in free agency? KP talked yesterday about how much playing beside Rolo helped him. How would you have replaced that piece differently with your criteria?
My issue is and has been with changing direction from long term focus to short term grasping at straws. You can separate the trade all you want. To me it's exactly what's wrong with the Knicks approach to this off season.
I fail to see how anyone who has followed the Knicks organization for any length of time genuinely believed they were going to bypass a market opportunity to improve and to generate greater interest in the upcoming season in favor of a 4-5 year rebuild.
To continue to wish upon a star it's going to happen to one thing, but to profess believe it was occurring seems odd.
The Knicks are the Knicks. They don't do multi-year rebuilds. If anyone managed to convince themselves they were in the middle of one last year, that's on them.
No one believed we had changed anything. But last year was indicative of a shift because we didn't go and try to starfukk ourselves to death. To imply we assummed the shift to be permanent is projecting.
But yes some of us definitely wanted to see that mindset continue longer term and we are upset to varying degrees that it didn't.
So some of you
really thought the New York Knicks operated by James Dolan were going to bypass the cap going up by $24m dollars and play out the final years of Melo's contract "slow-building" and I'M the tin-foil hat guy.
Alrighty then.
meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If there are no foundational players available then there's no need to target overrated injured players because of some possibility that they will magically regain their form from 6 years ago. We already had s perfectly good center on a reasonable deal. I didn't want to be in a situation to starfukk for a center to start with.Giving up good healthy players on reasonable contracts for injured players with declining skills is never going to build anything.
So your issue is with the trade? The trade happened and can't be changed. What would you have done differently in free agency? KP talked yesterday about how much playing beside Rolo helped him. How would you have replaced that piece differently with your criteria?
My issue is and has been with changing direction from long term focus to short term grasping at straws. You can separate the trade all you want. To me it's exactly what's wrong with the Knicks approach to this off season.
I think the change in direction goes back to hiring Hornacek. The new coach has a voice and wanted a point guard. The Knicks weren't getting Conley and must not have wanted Rondo/Jennings/Lin for the role coach wanted.
I am pretty psyched the Knicks are not going with Rambis and I don't know who they would have ended up with at the two if they didn't change but I think that would have been the only change without the trade. I had hopes for Wroten but the way things worked out the Knicks point guards would have been Grant/Jose again. Also, I think it is really important for the Knicks to have a voice in the room other than Phil's that is valued. I don't think that existed before Jeff was hired.
ekstarks94 wrote:Knick...of....Time
Ahh got it - so he refers to himself in the third person using abbreviations of his screen name? I am taking now.
meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If there are no foundational players available then there's no need to target overrated injured players because of some possibility that they will magically regain their form from 6 years ago. We already had s perfectly good center on a reasonable deal. I didn't want to be in a situation to starfukk for a center to start with.Giving up good healthy players on reasonable contracts for injured players with declining skills is never going to build anything.
So your issue is with the trade? The trade happened and can't be changed. What would you have done differently in free agency? KP talked yesterday about how much playing beside Rolo helped him. How would you have replaced that piece differently with your criteria?
My issue is and has been with changing direction from long term focus to short term grasping at straws. You can separate the trade all you want. To me it's exactly what's wrong with the Knicks approach to this off season.
I fail to see how anyone who has followed the Knicks organization for any length of time genuinely believed they were going to bypass a market opportunity to improve and to generate greater interest in the upcoming season in favor of a 4-5 year rebuild.
To continue to wish upon a star it's going to happen to one thing, but to profess believe it was occurring seems odd.
The Knicks are the Knicks. They don't do multi-year rebuilds. If anyone managed to convince themselves they were in the middle of one last year, that's on them.
No one believed we had changed anything. But last year was indicative of a shift because we didn't go and try to starfukk ourselves to death. To imply we assummed the shift to be permanent is projecting.
But yes some of us definitely wanted to see that mindset continue longer term and we are upset to varying degrees that it didn't.
To lament a change in direction implies the assumption of a specific continued direction. Knicks take opportunities available to them. Last year might simply be explained by the fact the types of transactions you don't favor just didn't materialize. To extrapolate an ongoing strategy from that is, as I say, on you.
Knicks are the Knicks, you should have known better.
Most did.
meloshouldgo wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Knick...of....Time
Ahh got it - so he refers to himself in the third person using abbreviations of his screen name? I am taking now.
Never referred to myself that way.
Stick to basketball. Trying to get personal and failing isn't to anyone's credit.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If there are no foundational players available then there's no need to target overrated injured players because of some possibility that they will magically regain their form from 6 years ago. We already had s perfectly good center on a reasonable deal. I didn't want to be in a situation to starfukk for a center to start with.Giving up good healthy players on reasonable contracts for injured players with declining skills is never going to build anything.
So your issue is with the trade? The trade happened and can't be changed. What would you have done differently in free agency? KP talked yesterday about how much playing beside Rolo helped him. How would you have replaced that piece differently with your criteria?
My issue is and has been with changing direction from long term focus to short term grasping at straws. You can separate the trade all you want. To me it's exactly what's wrong with the Knicks approach to this off season.
I think the change in direction goes back to hiring Hornacek. The new coach has a voice and wanted a point guard. The Knicks weren't getting Conley and must not have wanted Rondo/Jennings/Lin for the role coach wanted.
I am pretty psyched the Knicks are not going with Rambis and I don't know who they would have ended up with at the two if they didn't change but I think that would have been the only change without the trade. I had hopes for Wroten but the way things worked out the Knicks point guards would have been Grant/Jose again. Also, I think it is really important for the Knicks to have a voice in the room other than Phil's that is valued. I don't think that existed before Jeff was hired.
That's a reasonable premise. We don't know what they looked at and why they did what they did. And for the short term this can be a better team. But whatever little improvements we accomplish will not be repeatable or sustainable (based on posdiblity for injuries etc). Those foundation players will continue to look at us as a team with a revolving door and no continuity. So overall, I still think it hurts our ability to get those types of players in the long run.
Knickoftime wrote:So some of you really thought the New York Knicks operated by James Dolan were going to bypass the cap going up by $24m dollars and play out the final years of Melo's contract "slow-building" and I'M the tin-foil hat guy. Alrighty then.
The making of FA 2016 was born in FA 2015.... Phil gave long term contracts to his foundational pieces and 1+1 on the others....1 turned out good...Lopez the other. Not so much...KO.
This year armed with more $$$$....the main acquisition was Rose...that transaction greased the skids for where we are at know. Phil would have done the same in 2015 so there was no fundamental shift in his approach other than his selection of coach...we are not tanking with KP and Melo
More importantly KP...like van Gundy said needs to play meaningful games for his development
ekstarks94 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Curry to Noah comps immediately disqualies whomever uttered it as having any credibility.
Before imposing your wisdom on the rest of us less fortunate people, at least attempt to understand what was written.
I did and do.
Trolling at its finest
Yup, because invoking the name Eddy Curry on a Knicks message board in comparison to a new acquisition wasn't done to incite a reaction.
LOL - you are a conspiracy theorist to boot. Figures
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Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Knick...of....Time
Ahh got it - so he refers to himself in the third person using abbreviations of his screen name? I am taking now.
Never referred to myself that way.
Stick to basketball. Trying to get personal and failing isn't to anyone's credit.
My bad - I thought the KOT vote Trump was your post. But I scrolled back and saw it wasn't. No idea why we are taking about voting anyways. But reading on a cell phone with micro sized fonts and posts that have 15 embedded responses makes things difficult.
meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If there are no foundational players available then there's no need to target overrated injured players because of some possibility that they will magically regain their form from 6 years ago. We already had s perfectly good center on a reasonable deal. I didn't want to be in a situation to starfukk for a center to start with.Giving up good healthy players on reasonable contracts for injured players with declining skills is never going to build anything.
So your issue is with the trade? The trade happened and can't be changed. What would you have done differently in free agency? KP talked yesterday about how much playing beside Rolo helped him. How would you have replaced that piece differently with your criteria?
My issue is and has been with changing direction from long term focus to short term grasping at straws. You can separate the trade all you want. To me it's exactly what's wrong with the Knicks approach to this off season.
The media keeps pushing this notion but really Phil can do both a roster for now and look to add young players that can fit KP's timeline as well. It will only help KP to win games and make the playoffs. We still will be adding young players this year just like every year Phil has been here!!!
Knickoftime wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:So some of you really thought the New York Knicks operated by James Dolan were going to bypass the cap going up by $24m dollars and play out the final years of Melo's contract "slow-building" and I'M the tin-foil hat guy. Alrighty then.
The making of FA 2016 was born in FA 2015.... Phil gave long term contracts to his foundational pieces and 1+1 on the others....1 turned out good...Lopez the other. Not so much...KO.
This year armed with more $$$$....the main acquisition was Rose...that transaction greased the skids for where we are at know. Phil would have done the same in 2015 so there was no fundamental shift in his approach other than his selection of coach...we are not tanking with KP and Melo
More importantly KP...like van Gundy said needs to play meaningful games for his development
Ding.
No ding...duh..
As opposed to pointless arguments on trying to impose ones perspective....you need to remember the timeless phrase in situations such as this....
"Opinions are like a$$hole$..everyone has one"
My view is that Phil is playing the long game....KP....and the short game FA 2016...
