Clean wrote:djsunyc wrote:but riley is also making the smart move. he is setting himself up for next summer.
Wade was a big part of the reason why big names went to Miami. With the way they treated him I doubt anyone goes to them next year. The Lakers did right by Kobe and Pat pretty much kicked Wade to the curb. How is it possible that Wade has never been the highest paid player on his team. For all the money he gave up for the better of the team they should have done him a solid. While I did not agree the extension the Lakers gave to Kobe at the time, I respect them for taking care of a player who gave his all for them. Don't forget what Pat said to Lebron before Lebron went back to the Cavs. Superstars don't forget those things.
Wasn't he the one who initiated/organized them coming together? Riley could not have talked to anyone ahead of time, unless he told Wade to talk to James and Bosh.
Wade was getting less money from Riley than he deserved, and had taken less to allow the Heat to sign James and Bosh, if I remember correctly.
You wonder if the Whiteside contract was the last straw.
So Butter is a small fwd now?
This got me thinking...are the Bulls better than us now?
PG Rose v. Rondo (one is a headcase; one is injury prone; I would rather have Rose right now--advantage Knicks)
SG Lee v. Wade (Lee a perfect role player 3 and D type; Wade an aging superstar---advantage Bulls)
SF Melo v. Butler (Melo at the end of his prime as a superstar; Butler entering his prime as superstar---even for this year)
PF KP v Gibson ( KP the young phenom potential superstar growing into game; Gibson an underrated vet big---advantage Knicks
C Noah v. Rolo ( former DPOY trying to make it back from injuries regain form; underrated solid big expanded game this year--advantage Knicks (if Noah stays healthy)
It's close. Think our starting 5 is slightly better, though.
EnySpree wrote:So Butter is a small fwd now?
Yeah, he's listed as 6'7" but he looks shorter to me.
Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:So Butter is a small fwd now?
Yeah, he's listed as 6'7" but he looks shorter to me.
He's built like a brick house though.
Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:So Butter is a small fwd now?
Yeah, he's listed as 6'7" but he looks shorter to me.
I thought it was just me. He looks 6'5 to me for some reason maybe but DX has him at 6'6 w/o shoes. He is actually nearly 6'8 in shoes. I was suprised when I first looked at his profile a few years ago that he was so tall. He played a lot of small forward his second year and he defends a lot of small forwards anyway so its not a big adjustment.
The problem is having 3 ball dominant players on the floor together in Rondo, Butler, and Wade.
Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:So Butter is a small fwd now?
Yeah, he's listed as 6'7" but he looks shorter to me.
He plays small too. He's very similar to Wade.
For conspiracy theorists - Wade, Bron, CP3 will all be free agents next summer -
Wade musta missed the memo that he shoulda signed for the MLE in Cleveland to chase another chip.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:This got me thinking...are the Bulls better than us now? PG Rose v. Rondo (one is a headcase; one is injury prone; I would rather have Rose right now--advantage Knicks)
SG Lee v. Wade (Lee a perfect role player 3 and D type; Wade an aging superstar---advantage Bulls)
SF Melo v. Butler (Melo at the end of his prime as a superstar; Butler entering his prime as superstar---even for this year)
PF KP v Gibson ( KP the young phenom potential superstar growing into game; Gibson an underrated vet big---advantage Knicks
C Noah v. Rolo ( former DPOY trying to make it back from injuries regain form; underrated solid big expanded game this year--advantage Knicks (if Noah stays healthy)
It's close. Think our starting 5 is slightly better, though.
Healthy, we should be much better. They are only better at the 2, as you indicated. They also have poor balance with no outside shooting. Our lineup has a little of everything, so it should mesh easier.
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Wade musta missed the memo that he shoulda signed for the MLE in Cleveland to chase another chip.
Dan Le Batard was talking on his show that apparently the Wade to Denver scenario was that Denver would sign him now and then trade him to Cleveland in December... they were talking about agent collusion and stuff...
I kinda can't wait to listen to the Le Batard show tomorrow. They never thought Wade would leave...
Knixkik wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:This got me thinking...are the Bulls better than us now? PG Rose v. Rondo (one is a headcase; one is injury prone; I would rather have Rose right now--advantage Knicks)
SG Lee v. Wade (Lee a perfect role player 3 and D type; Wade an aging superstar---advantage Bulls)
SF Melo v. Butler (Melo at the end of his prime as a superstar; Butler entering his prime as superstar---even for this year)
PF KP v Gibson ( KP the young phenom potential superstar growing into game; Gibson an underrated vet big---advantage Knicks
C Noah v. Rolo ( former DPOY trying to make it back from injuries regain form; underrated solid big expanded game this year--advantage Knicks (if Noah stays healthy)
It's close. Think our starting 5 is slightly better, though.
Healthy, we should be much better. They are only better at the 2, as you indicated. They also have poor balance with no outside shooting. Our lineup has a little of everything, so it should mesh easier.
I was just thinking - the Knicks v Bulls games are going to be fascinating.
crzymdups wrote:Knixkik wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:This got me thinking...are the Bulls better than us now? PG Rose v. Rondo (one is a headcase; one is injury prone; I would rather have Rose right now--advantage Knicks)
SG Lee v. Wade (Lee a perfect role player 3 and D type; Wade an aging superstar---advantage Bulls)
SF Melo v. Butler (Melo at the end of his prime as a superstar; Butler entering his prime as superstar---even for this year)
PF KP v Gibson ( KP the young phenom potential superstar growing into game; Gibson an underrated vet big---advantage Knicks
C Noah v. Rolo ( former DPOY trying to make it back from injuries regain form; underrated solid big expanded game this year--advantage Knicks (if Noah stays healthy)
It's close. Think our starting 5 is slightly better, though.
Healthy, we should be much better. They are only better at the 2, as you indicated. They also have poor balance with no outside shooting. Our lineup has a little of everything, so it should mesh easier.
I was just thinking - the Knicks v Bulls games are going to be fascinating.
It's a much closer matchup now for sure. DWade does make a positive difference. Thing is the Knicks defensive strength is in the paint and the Bulls don't have the shooting to take advantage of the perimeter. Seems like they play right into our defensive strength. Knicks should be better with a much more versatile team.
Thought I saw an article the other day indicating the the Celtics were still interested in obtaining Butler and OK4.
Just wondering...
Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)
Knixkik wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:This got me thinking...are the Bulls better than us now? PG Rose v. Rondo (one is a headcase; one is injury prone; I would rather have Rose right now--advantage Knicks)
SG Lee v. Wade (Lee a perfect role player 3 and D type; Wade an aging superstar---advantage Bulls)
SF Melo v. Butler (Melo at the end of his prime as a superstar; Butler entering his prime as superstar---even for this year)
PF KP v Gibson ( KP the young phenom potential superstar growing into game; Gibson an underrated vet big---advantage Knicks
C Noah v. Rolo ( former DPOY trying to make it back from injuries regain form; underrated solid big expanded game this year--advantage Knicks (if Noah stays healthy)
It's close. Think our starting 5 is slightly better, though.
Healthy, we should be much better. They are only better at the 2, as you indicated. They also have poor balance with no outside shooting. Our lineup has a little of everything, so it should mesh easier.
What I thought too. They are individually, on paper, a decent team, but when you look at the ingredients together, that is likely to be a sour tasting cake.
earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)
Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.
Wades version of coming home. Will be interesting to see how he and butler meshes. Butlers best games seem to be when there's no competition for who gets the ball. Now wade and rondo will both want to dominate the ball
ESOMKnicks wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)
Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.
Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything
meloshouldgo wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)
Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.
Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything
Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.
Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.
earthmansurfer wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Wade should have signed in Cleveland for 1 million less than Riley was offering him. (If Cleveland could have cleared the space.)
Right. I dont get Wade's thinking. I dont see his Bulls being better now than his Heat would have been. And the extra $$$ that he'd be getting from the Bulls are not that much relative to his sneaker deals, ads income. What a way to tarnish one's legacy for virtually nothing.
Huh? Tarnish his legacy? He had taken less money his entire career compared to people of equal talent so his team could win championships. He was also the main reason people agreed to go play in Miami and they didn't even try to find an extra 10M to keep him after promising to do just that for KD. Not comparing Wade to KD but clearly they had the means to find the cap space. Why shouldn't Wade want to increase his career earnings at this point. He has already delivered three championships to Miami he doesn't owe them anything
Why? Well, the same as many of these multimillionaires with so much public appear. How much do you need? He has enough money to help transform aspects of society (if combined with his being well known), along with a handful of other players. When they keep going for the money, that is the message they transmit. If more players (and people for that matter) went or did what makes them happy, many more would follow. And from all walks of life.
Instead of that we have a society that is "me" oriented at the expense of others. And look where it is going.
This is very hard to argue in a capitalist society. Our economic model as well as social philosophy is me first by definition, To single out Wade to be the receiving end of such gripe is a bit thick. You can easily make the case that he has been the least greedy of the people of his caliber along with LeBron. Salaries are set by supply and demand (unless Dolan is involved, then they are set by demand alone). The market set his salary and he is taking it. Do you hold all other professional players and movie stars and politicians to the same standards?
