If he is chasing a legacy, then he should take a pay cut. If he feels that's "Disrespectful", then I'd pass.
We can't max dudes in the their 30's past prime. Rose at 28 won't take the cut at his age, but the market will determine that.
Melo is the present and KP is the future. If guys want to play here and do what the "Heatles" did, thats cool.
Chuck, none of your choices fit my answer so Refrained.
I'd say: "If rose does not prove durable and top tier, then two years with CP3 at a price that allows us to still sign players as well. Also, Draft for the future at the sametime.
We still need money for a bench!!!
Nalod wrote:If he is chasing a legacy, then he should take a pay cut. If he feels that's "Disrespectful", then I'd pass.
We can't max dudes in the their 30's past prime. Rose at 28 won't take the cut at his age, but the market will determine that.
Melo is the present and KP is the future. If guys want to play here and do what the "Heatles" did, thats cool.Chuck, none of your choices fit my answer so Refrained.
I'd say: "If rose does not prove durable and top tier, then two years with CP3 at a price that allows us to still sign players as well. Also, Draft for the future at the sametime.
We still need money for a bench!!!
I also think the contract years are the big factor with CP3 on the Knicks. Anything more than a 3 year deal would be considered an albatross contract. I think a 2 year deal would be a no brainer, since his last 2 prime seasons would coincide with Melo's last 2, and would definitely serve as a lead-in to the KP Knicks era.
Having an all-time great at point like Chris Paul would no doubt accelerate Porzingis growth and Bball IQ, and show him on the court what he needs to do, to take his game to the next level.
If they could nab CP3 and draft his successor, that IMO, would be the best case scenario for the Knicks.
ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:If he is chasing a legacy, then he should take a pay cut. If he feels that's "Disrespectful", then I'd pass.
We can't max dudes in the their 30's past prime. Rose at 28 won't take the cut at his age, but the market will determine that.
Melo is the present and KP is the future. If guys want to play here and do what the "Heatles" did, thats cool.Chuck, none of your choices fit my answer so Refrained.
I'd say: "If rose does not prove durable and top tier, then two years with CP3 at a price that allows us to still sign players as well. Also, Draft for the future at the sametime.
We still need money for a bench!!!
I also think the contract years are the big factor with CP3 on the Knicks. Anything more than a 3 year deal would be considered an albatross contract. I think a 2 year deal would be a no brainer, since his last 2 prime seasons would coincide with Melo's last 2, and would definitely serve as a lead-in to the KP Knicks era.
Having an all-time great at point like Chris Paul would no doubt accelerate Porzingis growth and Bball IQ, and show him on the court what he needs to do, to take his game to the next level.
If they could nab CP3 and draft his successor, that IMO, would be the best case scenario for the Knicks.
CP3 will not sign anything less than 4 years with any team next contact, so by your definition it's already albatross. In the real world, it's the cost of doing business with him. So let's re-balance this: any other team that signs what would be considered the best PG in the market will get a win.
CP3 has an awful lot of mileage on that body.
He will be 32.5 going into the 2017/18 season and have just finished his 12th NBA season.
I've been around long enough to remember what Mo Cheek's looked like when we got him from Philly late in his career.
CP3 would probably be in the range of D-Harper and D-Rivers in terms of how much life he would have coming to the Knicks late in his career so wouldn't be throwing any kind of huge $$$ at him IMO.
EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
LivingLegend wrote:CP3 has an awful lot of mileage on that body.He will be 32.5 going into the 2017/18 season and have just finished his 12th NBA season.
I've been around long enough to remember what Mo Cheek's looked like when we got him from Philly late in his career.
CP3 would probably be in the range of D-Harper and D-Rivers in terms of how much life he would have coming to the Knicks late in his career so wouldn't be throwing any kind of huge $$$ at him IMO.
I get what you are saying but I disagree. Baring injury he is likely to be like a Steve NAsh, John Stockton, or Billups(pre-achilles). Billups might not have meshed with MDA but he was still good plus CP3 is a different kind of player that can play uptempo a lot more than Billups could.
To me it depends on how good the team looks this year and the growth of KP. IF it looks like they can really compete for a championship if they got CP3 then sure why not go after him.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
I would still take a 32.5 year old CP3 in a heart beat over a healthy Rose. The guy is like Professor X cerebral personified on the ball court, doesn't rely on athleticism at all.
That and draft the best point guard available as his understudy, and you have the makings of a stable back court for years and years.
ChuckBuck wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
I would still take a 32.5 year old CP3 in a heart beat over a healthy Rose. The guy is like Professor X cerebral personified on the ball court, doesn't rely on athleticism at all.
That and draft the best point guard available as his understudy, and you have the makings of a stable back court for years and years.
yeah duh! Of course CP3 over Rose even if healthy (which of course he never is).
yellowboy90 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:CP3 has an awful lot of mileage on that body.He will be 32.5 going into the 2017/18 season and have just finished his 12th NBA season.
I've been around long enough to remember what Mo Cheek's looked like when we got him from Philly late in his career.
CP3 would probably be in the range of D-Harper and D-Rivers in terms of how much life he would have coming to the Knicks late in his career so wouldn't be throwing any kind of huge $$$ at him IMO.
I get what you are saying but I disagree. Baring injury he is likely to be like a Steve NAsh, John Stockton, or Billups(pre-achilles). Billups might not have meshed with MDA but he was still good plus CP3 is a different kind of player that can play uptempo a lot more than Billups could.
To me it depends on how good the team looks this year and the growth of KP. IF it looks like they can really compete for a championship if they got CP3 then sure why not go after him.
Yeah - you may be right on Paul being able to play well into his mid/upper 30's.
But if we look really good this year in terms of adding a piece that could take us to a championship --- wouldn't D-Rose likely have something to do with us looking so good?
And -- if Rose does play well --- I think I take my chances on a just turning 29 (start of 2017 season) Rose who would be -3.5 years younger than CP3 with 4 to 5 less seasons of NBA wear/tear on his body.
I guess for me -- it's how good Rose looks this year.
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
define solid... and be realistic about my chances to sign CP3. Does CP3 *want* to play for the Knicks? Or am I risking losing Rose for nothing so I have 20% chance to sign CP3 while I openly court him? CP3 is the better player.. of late, but has his own injury concerns as well and will want to be paid $30mm until he's 36 years old. Does that sound smart? A lot of things just don't make sense about CP3.
The ideal situation is Rose and Jennings both play their way into big deals, ideal as in they earned those big deals.
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
define solid... and be realistic about my chances to sign CP3. Does CP3 *want* to play for the Knicks? Or am I risking losing Rose for nothing so I have 20% chance to sign CP3 while I openly court him? CP3 is the better player.. of late, but has his own injury concerns as well and will want to be paid $30mm until he's 36 years old. Does that sound smart? A lot of things just don't make sense about CP3.The ideal situation is Rose and Jennings both play their way into big deals, ideal as in they earned those big deals.
there is zero chance I would even give Rose a big deal and CP3 was and is and will always be 1000000x the player the Rose is/was/will be.
I would not pay him 30 mil for 4 years. 30 for 2 I would probably do - or 25 for 3 (maybe four? eeeeesh 
)
Again, no matter what Rose does, there is no way that I am going all in with him. He is a stop gap (I HOPE!!!!).
mreinman wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
I would still take a 32.5 year old CP3 in a heart beat over a healthy Rose. The guy is like Professor X cerebral personified on the ball court, doesn't rely on athleticism at all.
That and draft the best point guard available as his understudy, and you have the makings of a stable back court for years and years.
yeah duh! Of course CP3 over Rose even if healthy (which of course he never is).
So now back to the real world... Lets say the Knicks win 45 games and lose to Cle in the 2nd round. Rose has a very good season. Plays 70 games, scores 18ppg, 7 assists.. I know those #s don't mean anything to you in terms of value so focus on him being the #2 scorer, and fitting in very well.
Do you let him walk, losing him for nothing while you court CP3?
I mean CP3 over Rose? That's not really a relevant or interesting question. The question is are you willing to lose the one in the hand for the 2 in the bush?
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
define solid... and be realistic about my chances to sign CP3. Does CP3 *want* to play for the Knicks? Or am I risking losing Rose for nothing so I have 20% chance to sign CP3 while I openly court him? CP3 is the better player.. of late, but has his own injury concerns as well and will want to be paid $30mm until he's 36 years old. Does that sound smart? A lot of things just don't make sense about CP3.The ideal situation is Rose and Jennings both play their way into big deals, ideal as in they earned those big deals.
there is zero chance I would even give Rose a big deal and CP3 was and is and will always be 1000000x the player the Rose is/was/will be.
I would not pay him 30 mil for 4 years. 30 for 2 I would probably do - or 25 for 3 (maybe four? eeeeesh )
Again, no matter what Rose does, there is no way that I am going all in with him. He is a stop gap (I HOPE!!!!).
Well CP3 is the WS/48 king so I might as well argue Hillary's virtues with Briggs... CP3 is a great great player. He's also not coming here. The bold part of your statement is pretty absolute. Your mind is made up before you have seen him play a minute in a Knicks uni. Youngest MVP ever and he's 27... Looks like there isn't anything else on the topic to discuss with you. Your good.
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
I would still take a 32.5 year old CP3 in a heart beat over a healthy Rose. The guy is like Professor X cerebral personified on the ball court, doesn't rely on athleticism at all.
That and draft the best point guard available as his understudy, and you have the makings of a stable back court for years and years.
yeah duh! Of course CP3 over Rose even if healthy (which of course he never is).
So now back to the real world... Lets say the Knicks win 45 games and lose to Cle in the 2nd round. Rose has a very good season. Plays 70 games, scores 18ppg, 7 assists.. I know those #s don't mean anything to you in terms of value so focus on him being the #2 scorer, and fitting in very well.Do you let him walk, losing him for nothing while you court CP3?
I mean CP3 over Rose? That's not really a relevant or interesting question. The question is are you willing to lose the one in the hand for the 2 in the bush?
well of course you are correct that those numbers you mentioned don't mean much/enough to me but lets say he has a good season by all standards, not superstar good, just solid. Would I choose to give Rose 12 million vs. CP3 25? That would be a good problem to have, problem is, Rose will want 25 too because he (probably) believes he is way better than he actually is.
I guess that is all conjecture and for starters, lets see rose overcome big odds and have an efficient, solid, and healthy season.
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
define solid... and be realistic about my chances to sign CP3. Does CP3 *want* to play for the Knicks? Or am I risking losing Rose for nothing so I have 20% chance to sign CP3 while I openly court him? CP3 is the better player.. of late, but has his own injury concerns as well and will want to be paid $30mm until he's 36 years old. Does that sound smart? A lot of things just don't make sense about CP3.The ideal situation is Rose and Jennings both play their way into big deals, ideal as in they earned those big deals.
there is zero chance I would even give Rose a big deal and CP3 was and is and will always be 1000000x the player the Rose is/was/will be.
I would not pay him 30 mil for 4 years. 30 for 2 I would probably do - or 25 for 3 (maybe four? eeeeesh )
Again, no matter what Rose does, there is no way that I am going all in with him. He is a stop gap (I HOPE!!!!).
Well CP3 is the WS/48 king so I might as well argue Hillary's virtues with Briggs... CP3 is a great great player. He's also not coming here. The bold part of your statement is pretty absolute. Your mind is made up before you have seen him play a minute in a Knicks uni. Youngest MVP ever and he's 27... Looks like there isn't anything else on the topic to discuss with you. Your good.
this is true because once a car was in a number of bad accidents the value will just never be close to the same to one that has a clean carfax 
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Wait and see...
this... hopefully Rose is the man and he works here. Jennings as well. That is the ideal scenario. Can CP3 make it through an NBA season? When Mike Conley is the highest paid PG you can assume CP3's asking price is nothing short of the max for 4 years
so lets say Rose has a solid season (by everybodys standards). Would you rather resign him to a max contract vx. taking a shot at CP3?
I would still take a 32.5 year old CP3 in a heart beat over a healthy Rose. The guy is like Professor X cerebral personified on the ball court, doesn't rely on athleticism at all.
That and draft the best point guard available as his understudy, and you have the makings of a stable back court for years and years.
yeah duh! Of course CP3 over Rose even if healthy (which of course he never is).
So now back to the real world... Lets say the Knicks win 45 games and lose to Cle in the 2nd round. Rose has a very good season. Plays 70 games, scores 18ppg, 7 assists.. I know those #s don't mean anything to you in terms of value so focus on him being the #2 scorer, and fitting in very well.Do you let him walk, losing him for nothing while you court CP3?
I mean CP3 over Rose? That's not really a relevant or interesting question. The question is are you willing to lose the one in the hand for the 2 in the bush?
How can you say back to the real world and use a hypothetical best case scenario with a Derrick Rose averaging 18 and 7 when he hasn't come close to averaging that for 5 seasons?!!!!
If CP3 signs elsewhere, I'd rather let Rose walk for nothing and draft and groom a point guard.
If the Clips crash and burn in the playoffs next season, who knows? Paul might not look forward to having to deal with Durant at GS for the foreseeable future. Paul isn't geting any younger. Might feel he has a better shot in the east with LeBron getting older, than with GS and OKC in the west.
I would sign Paul long term over Rose, but Im no so sure the Knicks should commit to either of them long term.
We all know CP3 is a great player so that's not the issue IMO. IMO it's not so much about Rose having a super year as it's about how well the KNICKS as a team actually perform. WINS is what will matter the most and not individual stats. The way the team plays and comes together will be key.
What Hornacek thinks about Rose at the end of the year will also factor in. I believe Phil wants things to work with Rose and not to have to once again change his lead guard. Unless this falls apart and there is bad feelings I think that the spirit of the team should be better and tighter after a playoff run. Melo and KP would most likely want to have everyone come back if the team finds success together.
