Malcolm wrote:http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/175...
2016-17 NBA Regular-Season Win TotalsThe over/under benchmark for regular-season wins for each NBA team for the 2016-17 season,
as determined by the Westgate SuperBook in Las Vegas:
Golden St. 66.5
Cleveland 56.5
San Antonio 56.5
LA Clippers 53.5
Boston 51.5
Toronto 49.5
Utah 47.5
Portland 46.5
Detroit 45.5
Okla. City 45.5
Atlanta 43.5
Indiana 43.5
Memphis 43.5
Washington 42.5
Houston 41.5
Minnesota 41.5
Charlotte 39.5
Dallas 39.5
Milwaukee 39.5
Chicago 38.5
New York 38.5
Miami 36.5
New Orleans 36.5
Orlando 36.5
Denver 34.5
Sacramento 32.5
Philadelphia 27.5
Phoenix 26.5
LA Lakers 24.5
Brooklyn 20.5
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PLACE YOUR BETS People!!! The Knicks are going to beat that win total. The roster we had last year was at 22-22 and if not for Melo tripping on that ref I guarantee they would've won more games. In Melo's entire career he's won 50 games or more when he's had a solid PG not to mention having 2 as he does now. PLUS the fact that we have KP, Lee and Noah makes it even better. I understand why there is doubt based on the recent injury plagued seasons from some of these players but I don't think that is what will happen this year. IMO the only thing that will result in that low win total is injuries. This is not based on the actual talent on the roster.
Some doubters may wonder why I think this team can stay healthier this season. I base it on the fact that when you have this much talent none of the players has to overwork for the team to win. They just need to play team ball and they will put all kinds of pressure on teams. Hornacek can have this team push the pace and they will get all kinds of early offense compared to past seasons. Adding more PnR spread offense with more 3's, will additionally put tons of pressure on teams. I like this team. Let them doubt what this team can do. This should be fun.
Sounds about right to me. I think I had the Knicks at 37 in a predictions thread earlier in the summer (unless I'm confusing another site).
I think I had 37 or 38 but then bumped it to 40 once I read more about Hornaceck. I guess I'm an optimist.
I think the Knick total is well within the range . IF THEY STAY HEALTHY AND IF the second unit really contributes then I think 42-43 is realistic. The real issues are now Rose as a distraction and whether Noah can will bring it.
If they can then I won't be surprised to see then step up and in the playoffs
This team has TONS more close game ability than last years team. Somehow people think that in close games this team won't be massively improved over last year's team? last year we lost a boatload of games that were winnable. Well one way you can win those games is with talent that is capable of creating against tough D and the Knicks have that kind of talent now. We have more cold blooded scorers than we did last year. IMO there's no way we're looking at 35 or 38 wins. When has Melo ever been on a team with a penetrating PG and not won 50 games?
Denver 2007-08 Melo/Iverson 50-32, Finished 2nd in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2008-09 Melo/Billups 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2009-10 Melo/Billups 53-29, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
New YOrk 2012-13 Melo/Felton/Kidd 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Atlantic Division
This roster will have enough at PG to make the talent of Melo and KP stand up and be impactful. I don't see this team struggling to score as they have the last few years.
Paris907 wrote:I think the Knick total is well within the range . IF THEY STAY HEALTHY AND IF the second unit really contributes then I think 42-43 is realistic. The real issues are now Rose as a distraction and whether Noah can will bring it.
If they can then I won't be surprised to see then step up and in the playoffs
I think Rose's situation is cleared up very soon. His accuser will have to reveal her identity if they go to trial so there is motivation for her to settle at this point. There were other motions that have not been reported on that could severely weaken her chance of having a case if they were granted.
I think Noah brings it. He has a ton of heart and has a lot to prove the way things ended in Chicago.
nixluva wrote:This team has TONS more close game ability than last years team. Somehow people think that in close games this team won't be massively improved over last year's team? last year we lost a boatload of games that were winnable. Well one way you can win those games is with talent that is capable of creating against tough D and the Knicks have that kind of talent now. We have more cold blooded scorers than we did last year. IMO there's no way we're looking at 35 or 38 wins. When has Melo ever been on a team with a penetrating PG and not won 50 games?Denver 2007-08 Melo/Iverson 50-32, Finished 2nd in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2008-09 Melo/Billups 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2009-10 Melo/Billups 53-29, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
New YOrk 2012-13 Melo/Felton/Kidd 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Atlantic Division
This roster will have enough at PG to make the talent of Melo and KP stand up and be impactful. I don't see this team struggling to score as they have the last few years.
i think 42 wins is a fair projection. That doesnt mean they wont win more but i think 42-44 is a fair prediction
The Warriors, however, haven't attracted the most overall bets to win the championship. At the SuperBook, more bets have been placed on the 80-1 longshot New York Knicks than any other team.
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/175...
CrushAlot wrote:The Warriors, however, haven't attracted the most overall bets to win the championship. At the SuperBook, more bets have been placed on the 80-1 longshot New York Knicks than any other team.
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/175...
Bluffing is sometimes a good idea... but not very often.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:This team has TONS more close game ability than last years team. Somehow people think that in close games this team won't be massively improved over last year's team? last year we lost a boatload of games that were winnable. Well one way you can win those games is with talent that is capable of creating against tough D and the Knicks have that kind of talent now. We have more cold blooded scorers than we did last year. IMO there's no way we're looking at 35 or 38 wins. When has Melo ever been on a team with a penetrating PG and not won 50 games?Denver 2007-08 Melo/Iverson 50-32, Finished 2nd in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2008-09 Melo/Billups 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2009-10 Melo/Billups 53-29, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
New YOrk 2012-13 Melo/Felton/Kidd 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Atlantic Division
This roster will have enough at PG to make the talent of Melo and KP stand up and be impactful. I don't see this team struggling to score as they have the last few years.
i think 42 wins is a fair projection. That doesnt mean they wont win more but i think 42-44 is a fair prediction
The East is tougher than it was so yeah it's not a bad prediction to think somewhere in the mid 40's. However, the team does have the potential to do much better than that as well. IMO this team could be better than any of the teams we've had since the 1999 team. We didn't have a KP on any of those teams! We most surely didn't have a PG like Jennings coming off the bench, tho we did have JR who did a nice job that one year as 6th man. This starting lineup is very solid and talented and experienced. It's almost like some fans are afraid to actually admit that we have some serious talent on this team.
The big question is how good KP will be this year, if he becomes superstar this season we have 50+ wins
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:This team has TONS more close game ability than last years team. Somehow people think that in close games this team won't be massively improved over last year's team? last year we lost a boatload of games that were winnable. Well one way you can win those games is with talent that is capable of creating against tough D and the Knicks have that kind of talent now. We have more cold blooded scorers than we did last year. IMO there's no way we're looking at 35 or 38 wins. When has Melo ever been on a team with a penetrating PG and not won 50 games?Denver 2007-08 Melo/Iverson 50-32, Finished 2nd in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2008-09 Melo/Billups 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2009-10 Melo/Billups 53-29, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
New YOrk 2012-13 Melo/Felton/Kidd 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Atlantic Division
This roster will have enough at PG to make the talent of Melo and KP stand up and be impactful. I don't see this team struggling to score as they have the last few years.
i think 42 wins is a fair projection. That doesnt mean they wont win more but i think 42-44 is a fair prediction
The East is tougher than it was so yeah it's not a bad prediction to think somewhere in the mid 40's. However, the team does have the potential to do much better than that as well. IMO this team could be better than any of the teams we've had since the 1999 team. We didn't have a KP on any of those teams! We most surely didn't have a PG like Jennings coming off the bench, tho we did have JR who did a nice job that one year as 6th man. This starting lineup is very solid and talented and experienced. It's almost like some fans are afraid to actually admit that we have some serious talent on this team.
Nobody is afraid to admit anything. I think fans are being realistic. I know you are a very optimistic guy and that's terrific because we need that energy but that doesn't mean we are a 50 win team yet. 45 wins would be a huge step in the right direction and most likely the realistic outcome. I like the talent we have but injuries are gonna be a concern with a few guys.
Gudris wrote:The big question is how good KP will be this year, if he becomes superstar this season we have 50+ wins
I think the projections are at least assuming KP will be a solid starter and they're coming out with 35 to 38 wins. I don't think superstar vs. solid starter means 15 wins unless you mean Lebron James level superstar.
Fuck Vegas. My Knicks are winning 50+ this year.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:This team has TONS more close game ability than last years team. Somehow people think that in close games this team won't be massively improved over last year's team? last year we lost a boatload of games that were winnable. Well one way you can win those games is with talent that is capable of creating against tough D and the Knicks have that kind of talent now. We have more cold blooded scorers than we did last year. IMO there's no way we're looking at 35 or 38 wins. When has Melo ever been on a team with a penetrating PG and not won 50 games?Denver 2007-08 Melo/Iverson 50-32, Finished 2nd in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2008-09 Melo/Billups 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
Denver 2009-10 Melo/Billups 53-29, Finished 1st in NBA Northwest Division
New YOrk 2012-13 Melo/Felton/Kidd 54-28, Finished 1st in NBA Atlantic Division
This roster will have enough at PG to make the talent of Melo and KP stand up and be impactful. I don't see this team struggling to score as they have the last few years.
i think 42 wins is a fair projection. That doesnt mean they wont win more but i think 42-44 is a fair prediction
The East is tougher than it was so yeah it's not a bad prediction to think somewhere in the mid 40's. However, the team does have the potential to do much better than that as well. IMO this team could be better than any of the teams we've had since the 1999 team. We didn't have a KP on any of those teams! We most surely didn't have a PG like Jennings coming off the bench, tho we did have JR who did a nice job that one year as 6th man. This starting lineup is very solid and talented and experienced. It's almost like some fans are afraid to actually admit that we have some serious talent on this team.
Nobody is afraid to admit anything. I think fans are being realistic. I know you are a very optimistic guy and that's terrific because we need that energy but that doesn't mean we are a 50 win team yet. 45 wins would be a huge step in the right direction and most likely the realistic outcome. I like the talent we have but injuries are gonna be a concern with a few guys.
For me the number of wins isn't really the key factor. The East is tougher than it was when the Knicks won 54 games. So it's not unreasonable to think that they might top out at 45 wins. I'm just saying that it's also very possible this team could really come together like that 54 win team did. I think this team is actually better than that team. This team has a higher upside IMO. We have some players that could really step up their performance this year.
The only question is health. If they stay healthy no question they blow that prediction up.
He did surprise everybody last season, can he do it again this season ? :)
Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:The big question is how good KP will be this year, if he becomes superstar this season we have 50+ wins
I think the projections are at least assuming KP will be a solid starter and they're coming out with 35 to 38 wins. I don't think superstar vs. solid starter means 15 wins unless you mean Lebron James level superstar.
