Knicks · Article: Knicks Should Tank In 2016-17 (page 3)
mreinman wrote:i have no problem with having great optimism but its also important to keep it real as well. Im excited for the season but im not ready to say we are contenders yetStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:i think on average most fans on here predict in the low 40s which is probably fair given the injury concerns of a few playersmreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Just wondering what would ever make you think that I don't read and listen to everything I can get my hands on about the Knicks? I know there is another side and I know the math behind it. But I don't see the glass half empty approach from fans before the season even starts.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Well said. I get cautious optimism. But I think there is a lot to get excited about. I really like the young guys that the Knicks brought in. I think NDour, and Willy have a shot at being good rotation level pros. I also think Noah was a great addition. Rose's trainer and his teammates have been extremely positive about how he is doing. I guess I don't get pushing that all aside to rag on the team I root for.jrodmc wrote:Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:This sounds amazingly alot like a lovechild rant from Hinkie/ChuckyBooBoo:This is why Knicks fans should be rooting for a slow start that turns into a midseason Melo trade and three months of losing. Somehow, this team already nailed the hardest part of tanking. Now they just need more help, and preferably help that's under the age of 30. Even if you're not sure about the superstars in this draft—Giles could be elite if healthy, Fultz looks incredible— there are potential All-Stars dotting the board that would be perfect running mates with Porzingis. So, forget the playoffs. Be smart, Knicks. Derrick Rose is ready to take 25 shots-a-game. Hornacek's defense could give up 110 points-a-night. They're warming the tanks up in Latvia. Let's make this happen.So the Knicks, not the Sixers have nailed tanking. And we need more yoots. Lot's more yoots. Because KP6 want's nothing more than to lose, lose, lose. And a lineup with Noah and Porzingis are going to give up 110 points a night. Got ya.
When is this shit ever going to end? When the Sixers franchise decides to become the new NBDL team for Golden State?
This is the part i am glad you mention that everyone who wants to tank forgets about. Surrounding a young player with veterans who know how to win and giving yourself a chance to play in meaningful games (playoffs and/or late-season games to compete for playoffs) is the most important thing for a young player who you want to give the keys to the franchise. Not tank, tank, and more tank for a chance at some decent players along the same career timeline. You can be resourceful to add supporting players, draft well in the middle of the first round, and leave no stone unturned. Plus, trying to win is a lot more fun than trying to lose, at least for true fans. Good franchises (like the Spurs) do not need to tank to find good players in the draft, in free agency, and even those undrafted or overseas.
It's a fact that no one, outside of our favorite civil court suit defendant, is picking the Knicks to be instant contenders.
It's a fact that actual NBA analysts, who may just may more know more about the NBA than Vegas mathematicians, like JVG, Greg Anthony are picking the Knicks to make the playoffs.
It's a fact than anyone with anything approaching even a miniscule level of NBA IQ realizes that the Knicks back court and bench are vastly improved, younger, and not (at least in the case of the bench) a various collection of NBDL flotsam.
It's a fact that Phil invested a large sum to sign Noah, and this would not be consistent with the Hinkie model of franchise destruction.
It's a fact that we've been listening to the greatness of the tanking model regarding Philly for years, ever since they drafted MCW and then traded him away. It's a fact you can count their wins since without a calculator.
It's my opinion that what everyone was pining for during the early off-season, vastly improving the backcourt, has occurred. And without losing any further draft picks, either.But please, keep ignoring the words No Trade Clause, and keep plying the
1) "it's best for my personal pariah who's now outlived all the hoops I wanted him to jump through, to go somewhere else for his own good. Really, I want Melo to have a chip"
2) I love KP so much it makes my gonads shrivel up and die to think he might have some level of success with my personal pariah.
3) I really only want to watch AAU basketball, because I firmly believe that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, veterans are not good for sheehit.It never gets old, and it's great to know the bastions of negativity will always be there, serving a greater purpose for those of us who just love the Knicks more than our own fuhucking stupid opinions and idiotic fanboy versions of BB IQ, having never played, coached or even been a clerk in an NBA office.
Rock on, haters!
Makes me laugh! Have these guys even read anything KP has been saying. HE'S ECSTATIC to be playing with good players!!! I mean he isn't hoping to spend the next few years struggling to get wins and praying we strike gold again in the draft. If you have no choice but to lose because your team stinks and you have no way to improve, then you are fine with looking to the draft. The Knicks weren't in that situation. They already had Melo and he wasn't going anywhere, so the best thing to do is to improve the team around KP and help him to develop even faster.Because you don't get that there can possible another side to you view as a fan. If you read most outsiders takes + vegas predictions you will see that there are many issues factored into their predictions that you seem to be pushing aside. They don't brush by things like injury risks just like insurance underwriters don't ignore these things, and just like actuaries etc ... The silly statement of "but any team can have injuries" is beyond stupid and completely missing the boat. There are many question marks here for a reason. Can they beat the odds? Of course they can ANYBODY CAN BEAT ANY ODDS.
On the flip side, JVG picked the knicks to win close to fifty games and raved about Phil Jackson (though dissed the triangle) so that is interesting, but JVG is funny like that, especially with Phil. He is always playing poker when he talks about the knicks.
I am picking them to beat the vegas predictions though I am an optimistic homer so my opinion is biased. I do think that the knicks will have many injuries as predicted though. Most of my optimism is Hornacek. I hope that he is not handcuffed. And, I think that Lee and Jennings were very solid pickups. I don't think Rose will be here more than this season and I definitely don't think the Noah (who I adore) is gonna live up to his contract. I think that Melo will be a solid this year but continue with nagging injuries that will mess with his jump shot. KP can go either way ... He can breakout or have a sophomore slump. He is certainly no where near a star yet and his physique scares the hell out of me since guys that size are at a higher risk to injury. I really hope that Hornacek builds his game in a way that will limit his risk. These 3 point shot fakes and drives are suicide plays that can really get him hurt. I want him more as a spot up deep shooter or down low (depending on matchups) but I do NOT want him driving in traffic!
The knicks need to beat the odds but lets not be surprised that there are many questions around this team and that there is significant risk. Vegas has no interest in ragging on the knicks.
Its not half empty and its not half full. Its risk factors that are there. You don't even see that you always have a bias, and that is fine just recognize it. Again, vegas does not rag on the knicks and fans who have their own minds and beliefs are not ragging. "its so un american", sound familiar?
People who like every move are obviously just koolaid drinkers who just want to drink and people who hate every move are just silly haters with grudges.
Some like some moves and dislike others. Very few of these though and getting fewer. Yellow, Bonn, GB, Guns, Knickcity, crzydmps (when he had a good night sleep), Ned, Dk (though is a bit of a hater :-) ), and some others but wish there were more guys with open minds here who can think for themselves.
And its amazing how far this mentality goes which shocked the hell out of me in the Rose thread, which of course was brushed aside because its not pure knicks love.
I know that my methods of judgement are not exactly the same as yours but that doesn't mean I or anyone else doesn't have an open mind. IN FACT it is we who are NOT just buying the vegas or pro analysts line that are displaying an open mind on what the Knicks could be this year. We're reading the stat driven predictions and we are taking into account other factors that they are not.
this is pretty funny :-)
vegas does not have a bias and you do (to the umpth degree), funny comparison. To make an unbiased prediction one needs to be critical of everything in an unbiased way.
Basketball is played by HUMANS and not robots. Using numbers is cold and unemotional but not infallible because... humans! There's more to it than just numbers! Numbers suggest that it was highly unlikely that the Cavs should've come back and beat the Warriors! The unmeasurable factor kicked in.
you just said pretty much nothing ... at least I think you did.
Do you think that Vegas odds makers had any meetings around this or did they just run a formula?
Again, the fact that you are proving that these systems are flawed due to clevelands come back just means that you don't get and will never get how this works. To you its all black and white. See? They did not predict the outcome ... ha!!
Its about probabilities. If you needed a card for your flush draw and you had one card coming, you should never bet unless you are getting pot odds. So the dummy poker player pays to try to hit his flush and he got paid 2 : 1 instead of 4 : 1. Now he writes a book stating that all you really need is 2 : 1 to make the call because it worked for him. You can go buy that book
I understand that the odds makers are dealing with probability, but NBA Teams are not a deck of cards. The odds makers are pretty great at what they do, but i'm not buying their take on this team cuz I don't believe their methodology can account for the intangible factors with this Knicks roster including motivations for some of the key players on this team.You can chose to believe in the odds makers, even tho if i'm not mistaken, you yourself don't believe the Knicks will only win 35 or 38 games. it seems you want to argue with me purely on principle, which is fine, but I believe that you wouldn't bet that this team ends up with only 35 or 38 wins. I bet that like me you think this team will most likely be better than that or am I wrong and you do believe the Knicks will end up with only 35 or 38 wins as predicted?
and that is because we are knicks fans. I am assuming that average level headed knick fans would still predict a few more wins than non knick fans.
StarksEwing1 wrote:mreinman wrote:i have no problem with having great optimism but its also important to keep it real as well. Im excited for the season but im not ready to say we are contenders yetStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:i think on average most fans on here predict in the low 40s which is probably fair given the injury concerns of a few playersmreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Just wondering what would ever make you think that I don't read and listen to everything I can get my hands on about the Knicks? I know there is another side and I know the math behind it. But I don't see the glass half empty approach from fans before the season even starts.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Well said. I get cautious optimism. But I think there is a lot to get excited about. I really like the young guys that the Knicks brought in. I think NDour, and Willy have a shot at being good rotation level pros. I also think Noah was a great addition. Rose's trainer and his teammates have been extremely positive about how he is doing. I guess I don't get pushing that all aside to rag on the team I root for.jrodmc wrote:Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:This sounds amazingly alot like a lovechild rant from Hinkie/ChuckyBooBoo:This is why Knicks fans should be rooting for a slow start that turns into a midseason Melo trade and three months of losing. Somehow, this team already nailed the hardest part of tanking. Now they just need more help, and preferably help that's under the age of 30. Even if you're not sure about the superstars in this draft—Giles could be elite if healthy, Fultz looks incredible— there are potential All-Stars dotting the board that would be perfect running mates with Porzingis. So, forget the playoffs. Be smart, Knicks. Derrick Rose is ready to take 25 shots-a-game. Hornacek's defense could give up 110 points-a-night. They're warming the tanks up in Latvia. Let's make this happen.So the Knicks, not the Sixers have nailed tanking. And we need more yoots. Lot's more yoots. Because KP6 want's nothing more than to lose, lose, lose. And a lineup with Noah and Porzingis are going to give up 110 points a night. Got ya.
When is this shit ever going to end? When the Sixers franchise decides to become the new NBDL team for Golden State?
This is the part i am glad you mention that everyone who wants to tank forgets about. Surrounding a young player with veterans who know how to win and giving yourself a chance to play in meaningful games (playoffs and/or late-season games to compete for playoffs) is the most important thing for a young player who you want to give the keys to the franchise. Not tank, tank, and more tank for a chance at some decent players along the same career timeline. You can be resourceful to add supporting players, draft well in the middle of the first round, and leave no stone unturned. Plus, trying to win is a lot more fun than trying to lose, at least for true fans. Good franchises (like the Spurs) do not need to tank to find good players in the draft, in free agency, and even those undrafted or overseas.
It's a fact that no one, outside of our favorite civil court suit defendant, is picking the Knicks to be instant contenders.
It's a fact that actual NBA analysts, who may just may more know more about the NBA than Vegas mathematicians, like JVG, Greg Anthony are picking the Knicks to make the playoffs.
It's a fact than anyone with anything approaching even a miniscule level of NBA IQ realizes that the Knicks back court and bench are vastly improved, younger, and not (at least in the case of the bench) a various collection of NBDL flotsam.
It's a fact that Phil invested a large sum to sign Noah, and this would not be consistent with the Hinkie model of franchise destruction.
It's a fact that we've been listening to the greatness of the tanking model regarding Philly for years, ever since they drafted MCW and then traded him away. It's a fact you can count their wins since without a calculator.
It's my opinion that what everyone was pining for during the early off-season, vastly improving the backcourt, has occurred. And without losing any further draft picks, either.But please, keep ignoring the words No Trade Clause, and keep plying the
1) "it's best for my personal pariah who's now outlived all the hoops I wanted him to jump through, to go somewhere else for his own good. Really, I want Melo to have a chip"
2) I love KP so much it makes my gonads shrivel up and die to think he might have some level of success with my personal pariah.
3) I really only want to watch AAU basketball, because I firmly believe that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, veterans are not good for sheehit.It never gets old, and it's great to know the bastions of negativity will always be there, serving a greater purpose for those of us who just love the Knicks more than our own fuhucking stupid opinions and idiotic fanboy versions of BB IQ, having never played, coached or even been a clerk in an NBA office.
Rock on, haters!
Makes me laugh! Have these guys even read anything KP has been saying. HE'S ECSTATIC to be playing with good players!!! I mean he isn't hoping to spend the next few years struggling to get wins and praying we strike gold again in the draft. If you have no choice but to lose because your team stinks and you have no way to improve, then you are fine with looking to the draft. The Knicks weren't in that situation. They already had Melo and he wasn't going anywhere, so the best thing to do is to improve the team around KP and help him to develop even faster.Because you don't get that there can possible another side to you view as a fan. If you read most outsiders takes + vegas predictions you will see that there are many issues factored into their predictions that you seem to be pushing aside. They don't brush by things like injury risks just like insurance underwriters don't ignore these things, and just like actuaries etc ... The silly statement of "but any team can have injuries" is beyond stupid and completely missing the boat. There are many question marks here for a reason. Can they beat the odds? Of course they can ANYBODY CAN BEAT ANY ODDS.
On the flip side, JVG picked the knicks to win close to fifty games and raved about Phil Jackson (though dissed the triangle) so that is interesting, but JVG is funny like that, especially with Phil. He is always playing poker when he talks about the knicks.
I am picking them to beat the vegas predictions though I am an optimistic homer so my opinion is biased. I do think that the knicks will have many injuries as predicted though. Most of my optimism is Hornacek. I hope that he is not handcuffed. And, I think that Lee and Jennings were very solid pickups. I don't think Rose will be here more than this season and I definitely don't think the Noah (who I adore) is gonna live up to his contract. I think that Melo will be a solid this year but continue with nagging injuries that will mess with his jump shot. KP can go either way ... He can breakout or have a sophomore slump. He is certainly no where near a star yet and his physique scares the hell out of me since guys that size are at a higher risk to injury. I really hope that Hornacek builds his game in a way that will limit his risk. These 3 point shot fakes and drives are suicide plays that can really get him hurt. I want him more as a spot up deep shooter or down low (depending on matchups) but I do NOT want him driving in traffic!
The knicks need to beat the odds but lets not be surprised that there are many questions around this team and that there is significant risk. Vegas has no interest in ragging on the knicks.
Its not half empty and its not half full. Its risk factors that are there. You don't even see that you always have a bias, and that is fine just recognize it. Again, vegas does not rag on the knicks and fans who have their own minds and beliefs are not ragging. "its so un american", sound familiar?
People who like every move are obviously just koolaid drinkers who just want to drink and people who hate every move are just silly haters with grudges.
Some like some moves and dislike others. Very few of these though and getting fewer. Yellow, Bonn, GB, Guns, Knickcity, crzydmps (when he had a good night sleep), Ned, Dk (though is a bit of a hater :-) ), and some others but wish there were more guys with open minds here who can think for themselves.
And its amazing how far this mentality goes which shocked the hell out of me in the Rose thread, which of course was brushed aside because its not pure knicks love.
I know that my methods of judgement are not exactly the same as yours but that doesn't mean I or anyone else doesn't have an open mind. IN FACT it is we who are NOT just buying the vegas or pro analysts line that are displaying an open mind on what the Knicks could be this year. We're reading the stat driven predictions and we are taking into account other factors that they are not.
this is pretty funny :-)
vegas does not have a bias and you do (to the umpth degree), funny comparison. To make an unbiased prediction one needs to be critical of everything in an unbiased way.
Basketball is played by HUMANS and not robots. Using numbers is cold and unemotional but not infallible because... humans! There's more to it than just numbers! Numbers suggest that it was highly unlikely that the Cavs should've come back and beat the Warriors! The unmeasurable factor kicked in.
you just said pretty much nothing ... at least I think you did.
Do you think that Vegas odds makers had any meetings around this or did they just run a formula?
Again, the fact that you are proving that these systems are flawed due to clevelands come back just means that you don't get and will never get how this works. To you its all black and white. See? They did not predict the outcome ... ha!!
Its about probabilities. If you needed a card for your flush draw and you had one card coming, you should never bet unless you are getting pot odds. So the dummy poker player pays to try to hit his flush and he got paid 2 : 1 instead of 4 : 1. Now he writes a book stating that all you really need is 2 : 1 to make the call because it worked for him. You can go buy that book
I understand that the odds makers are dealing with probability, but NBA Teams are not a deck of cards. The odds makers are pretty great at what they do, but i'm not buying their take on this team cuz I don't believe their methodology can account for the intangible factors with this Knicks roster including motivations for some of the key players on this team.You can chose to believe in the odds makers, even tho if i'm not mistaken, you yourself don't believe the Knicks will only win 35 or 38 games. it seems you want to argue with me purely on principle, which is fine, but I believe that you wouldn't bet that this team ends up with only 35 or 38 wins. I bet that like me you think this team will most likely be better than that or am I wrong and you do believe the Knicks will end up with only 35 or 38 wins as predicted?
and that is because we are knicks fans. I am assuming that average level headed knick fans would still predict a few more wins than non knick fans.
so many things have to go right for the knicks AND wrong for those teams ranked ahead of them, ie the knicks with rose, noah, melo, jennings all have to remain healthy for 70+ games, while other teams have to endure losing their top 2-3 players for significant chunks of the season.
even if healthy, the knicks backcourt defense will be a bit below average at best, putting a lot of pressure on the frontcourt, limiting frontcourt minutes with foul trouble.
even if healthy, you have to *hope*-- since there is no guarantee-- that hornacek will find the right combinations and hit the right buttons with the roster, allowing them to play mostly as a unit instead of what mr. frazier observes as "disarray." rose may have an agenda. so might jennings. one-year audition contract players can torpedo teams unless they are willing AND capable of following the dictates of the coach.
mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Just wondering what would ever make you think that I don't read and listen to everything I can get my hands on about the Knicks? I know there is another side and I know the math behind it. But I don't see the glass half empty approach from fans before the season even starts.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Well said. I get cautious optimism. But I think there is a lot to get excited about. I really like the young guys that the Knicks brought in. I think NDour, and Willy have a shot at being good rotation level pros. I also think Noah was a great addition. Rose's trainer and his teammates have been extremely positive about how he is doing. I guess I don't get pushing that all aside to rag on the team I root for.jrodmc wrote:Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:This sounds amazingly alot like a lovechild rant from Hinkie/ChuckyBooBoo:This is why Knicks fans should be rooting for a slow start that turns into a midseason Melo trade and three months of losing. Somehow, this team already nailed the hardest part of tanking. Now they just need more help, and preferably help that's under the age of 30. Even if you're not sure about the superstars in this draft—Giles could be elite if healthy, Fultz looks incredible— there are potential All-Stars dotting the board that would be perfect running mates with Porzingis. So, forget the playoffs. Be smart, Knicks. Derrick Rose is ready to take 25 shots-a-game. Hornacek's defense could give up 110 points-a-night. They're warming the tanks up in Latvia. Let's make this happen.So the Knicks, not the Sixers have nailed tanking. And we need more yoots. Lot's more yoots. Because KP6 want's nothing more than to lose, lose, lose. And a lineup with Noah and Porzingis are going to give up 110 points a night. Got ya.
When is this shit ever going to end? When the Sixers franchise decides to become the new NBDL team for Golden State?
This is the part i am glad you mention that everyone who wants to tank forgets about. Surrounding a young player with veterans who know how to win and giving yourself a chance to play in meaningful games (playoffs and/or late-season games to compete for playoffs) is the most important thing for a young player who you want to give the keys to the franchise. Not tank, tank, and more tank for a chance at some decent players along the same career timeline. You can be resourceful to add supporting players, draft well in the middle of the first round, and leave no stone unturned. Plus, trying to win is a lot more fun than trying to lose, at least for true fans. Good franchises (like the Spurs) do not need to tank to find good players in the draft, in free agency, and even those undrafted or overseas.
It's a fact that no one, outside of our favorite civil court suit defendant, is picking the Knicks to be instant contenders.
It's a fact that actual NBA analysts, who may just may more know more about the NBA than Vegas mathematicians, like JVG, Greg Anthony are picking the Knicks to make the playoffs.
It's a fact than anyone with anything approaching even a miniscule level of NBA IQ realizes that the Knicks back court and bench are vastly improved, younger, and not (at least in the case of the bench) a various collection of NBDL flotsam.
It's a fact that Phil invested a large sum to sign Noah, and this would not be consistent with the Hinkie model of franchise destruction.
It's a fact that we've been listening to the greatness of the tanking model regarding Philly for years, ever since they drafted MCW and then traded him away. It's a fact you can count their wins since without a calculator.
It's my opinion that what everyone was pining for during the early off-season, vastly improving the backcourt, has occurred. And without losing any further draft picks, either.But please, keep ignoring the words No Trade Clause, and keep plying the
1) "it's best for my personal pariah who's now outlived all the hoops I wanted him to jump through, to go somewhere else for his own good. Really, I want Melo to have a chip"
2) I love KP so much it makes my gonads shrivel up and die to think he might have some level of success with my personal pariah.
3) I really only want to watch AAU basketball, because I firmly believe that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, veterans are not good for sheehit.It never gets old, and it's great to know the bastions of negativity will always be there, serving a greater purpose for those of us who just love the Knicks more than our own fuhucking stupid opinions and idiotic fanboy versions of BB IQ, having never played, coached or even been a clerk in an NBA office.
Rock on, haters!
Makes me laugh! Have these guys even read anything KP has been saying. HE'S ECSTATIC to be playing with good players!!! I mean he isn't hoping to spend the next few years struggling to get wins and praying we strike gold again in the draft. If you have no choice but to lose because your team stinks and you have no way to improve, then you are fine with looking to the draft. The Knicks weren't in that situation. They already had Melo and he wasn't going anywhere, so the best thing to do is to improve the team around KP and help him to develop even faster.Because you don't get that there can possible another side to you view as a fan. If you read most outsiders takes + vegas predictions you will see that there are many issues factored into their predictions that you seem to be pushing aside. They don't brush by things like injury risks just like insurance underwriters don't ignore these things, and just like actuaries etc ... The silly statement of "but any team can have injuries" is beyond stupid and completely missing the boat. There are many question marks here for a reason. Can they beat the odds? Of course they can ANYBODY CAN BEAT ANY ODDS.
On the flip side, JVG picked the knicks to win close to fifty games and raved about Phil Jackson (though dissed the triangle) so that is interesting, but JVG is funny like that, especially with Phil. He is always playing poker when he talks about the knicks.
I am picking them to beat the vegas predictions though I am an optimistic homer so my opinion is biased. I do think that the knicks will have many injuries as predicted though. Most of my optimism is Hornacek. I hope that he is not handcuffed. And, I think that Lee and Jennings were very solid pickups. I don't think Rose will be here more than this season and I definitely don't think the Noah (who I adore) is gonna live up to his contract. I think that Melo will be a solid this year but continue with nagging injuries that will mess with his jump shot. KP can go either way ... He can breakout or have a sophomore slump. He is certainly no where near a star yet and his physique scares the hell out of me since guys that size are at a higher risk to injury. I really hope that Hornacek builds his game in a way that will limit his risk. These 3 point shot fakes and drives are suicide plays that can really get him hurt. I want him more as a spot up deep shooter or down low (depending on matchups) but I do NOT want him driving in traffic!
The knicks need to beat the odds but lets not be surprised that there are many questions around this team and that there is significant risk. Vegas has no interest in ragging on the knicks.
Its not half empty and its not half full. Its risk factors that are there. You don't even see that you always have a bias, and that is fine just recognize it. Again, vegas does not rag on the knicks and fans who have their own minds and beliefs are not ragging. "its so un american", sound familiar?
People who like every move are obviously just koolaid drinkers who just want to drink and people who hate every move are just silly haters with grudges.
Some like some moves and dislike others. Very few of these though and getting fewer. Yellow, Bonn, GB, Guns, Knickcity, crzydmps (when he had a good night sleep), Ned, Dk (though is a bit of a hater :-) ), and some others but wish there were more guys with open minds here who can think for themselves.
And its amazing how far this mentality goes which shocked the hell out of me in the Rose thread, which of course was brushed aside because its not pure knicks love.
I know that my methods of judgement are not exactly the same as yours but that doesn't mean I or anyone else doesn't have an open mind. IN FACT it is we who are NOT just buying the vegas or pro analysts line that are displaying an open mind on what the Knicks could be this year. We're reading the stat driven predictions and we are taking into account other factors that they are not.
again, predictions are based on the past performances. they're not going to be based upon what is unseen, unfounded, and unprovable.
you are basing your predictions on what you *hope* will happen. somehow you are driven to conflate your *hope* with the blindness of statisticians and oddsmakers.
I understand how the predictions are being made. I'm not sure that you understand that it's not just HOPE that forms the basis of my views. I'm adding other factors that aren't using RPM or WS/48 alone.
These predictions from the Pros aren't infallible and they can't account for everything, although they seek to achieve that goal one day. They are not there yet!!! They DON'T have a stat for how Hornacek will impact the roster or how this particular group will respond and function together as a unit. They don't have a stat that can tell you how Noah will respond to playing in NY or how Rose and Jennings will respond with everything on the line for a new contract.
Pelton said that coaching changes generally cause win projections to go down.
you are misusing this prediction. Perhaps this is across the board though I am sure that there is much more to it.Hornacek taking over rambis is not the same as Dell Harris or Rudy T taking over for Phil Jackson.
I believe he said Thibs was the only new hire that had a positive impact on prediction models. I believe it was his podcast on locked on the nba. Its worth a listen even though it is a few weeks old.That would be quite surprising. Being that so many coaches increase wins does that mean that those predictions are always wrong?
Or do they give a low percentage change and some beat the odds but most don't? Can you link this?
https://audioboom.com/boos/4996185-episo...
Starts at the 39 minute mark.