callmened wrote:dk7th wrote:callmened wrote:dk7th wrote:callmened wrote:welcome to the team...i always liked his grit and toughness at wichita st. i think hard working individuals should be rewarded
with that said i hope he never gets to see meaningful minutes. if that happens that means something went terribly wrong
what do you have in mind?
nothing against him. if the 15th man on any team is getting significant mins, it usually means something bad happened (ie injuries to the starters and backups)
folks like to cheer for bench guys making the team. thats cool. i never really understood that cuz i hope they dont get to play. if my 13-15th guy on my team is playing significant/meaningful mins then something went wrong. thats why i never really cared who made the team at the end of the bench
how do you arrive at 13th-15th man on this particular knicks team
sorry for not making myself clear. basically i dont really care or pay attention to the 11-15th man. if that player (whether its baker, plumlee or who ever) is playing significant minutes that means something went wrong. teams usually build a squad with 3-5 guys off the bench. if a team has to use more than 3-5 guys off the bench for a significant period of time that means there was some type of injury or someone in the rotation sucks. thats usually a bad sign to me. so while im happy for baker and others who made the team i typically dont even give them much thought
i highly doubt baker gets significant minutes. i think theyll try holiday and sasha before that happens.
i actually dont care who plays...if baker gets the chance to show he can play and belong (like galloway did) then id be happy for him. all im saying is i just dont expect it.
overall - the 11-15th players on a team typically dont contribute much
right. of course i approach the situation differently from you, ie. without presumptions as to who is in the rotation and who isn't. red holzman played 12 guys regularly, and if i am not mistaken so does popovich. one reason was that back in the holzman era almost everybody had four years of college so they were easier to coach, and were really basketball players in addition to being athletes.
nowadays there's too much drafting of athletes with very little basketball skill, and a huge number of assisant coaches that try to mold these guys into actual basketball players on the fly.
by contrast popovich and buford were among the earliest adopters of looking outside the usa for players with basketball skills and years of real coaching. seems to me what the knicks are doing under jackson is much the same: look outside the ncaa/aau conveyor belt to find guys who actually have been properly coached and create the kind of depth required for deep playoff runs. heck, even kuzminskas felt he wasn't ready for the nba and he is almost 27.
so what i am saying is i would not be too presumptuous about who is going to be in the rotation. however, if i were to suggest one thing to hornacek, it would be that hornacek look for the best possible fit with players who are versatile and multiskilled, ie what Walt Frazier calls "complete players." baker is one of those guys.
guess who i think isn't? 
lol...ahhhhahhahahaahhaahah...
yikes...i hope you know that i realize that none of opinions are up to me, you or any knick fanatic on this site. i mean you would have to think i have a huge ego where i could have that ability. of course i cant conclude who will be in the rotation or not.
however i can presume (like you stated) whatever or whoever i want or like. lol. im using my best deduction and logic, i can assume or presume that certain players will get playing time and others wont. in my opinion, i dont think baker will get significant mins in the rotation.
youre talking about red holzman and pop and RC buford...this is the 2016 knicks ran by jeff hornecek. whether they SHOULD run 12 players or give every player a FAIR opportunity is different from what they actually WILL do. i dont think they will play baker or plumlee many significant minutes. i dont think thats an indictment or a crazy statement to make. unfortunately money, connections, sports agents and salary determine playing opportunities WAYYYY more than actual ability. i highly doubt that baker will get playing time over courtney lee or sasha (since thats phil's boy)
callmened wrote:lol...ahhhhahhahahaahhaahah...yikes...i hope you know that i realize that none of opinions are up to me, you or any knick fanatic on this site. i mean you would have to think i have a huge ego where i could have that ability. of course i cant conclude who will be in the rotation or not.
however i can presume (like you stated) whatever or whoever i want or like. lol. im using my best deduction and logic, i can assume or presume that certain players will get playing time and others wont. in my opinion, i dont think baker will get significant mins in the rotation.
youre talking about red holzman and pop and RC buford...this is the 2016 knicks ran by jeff hornecek. whether they SHOULD run 12 players or give every player a FAIR opportunity is different from what they actually WILL do. i dont think they will play baker or plumlee many significant minutes. i dont think thats an indictment or a crazy statement to make. unfortunately money, connections, sports agents and salary determine playing opportunities WAYYYY more than actual ability. i highly doubt that baker will get playing time over courtney lee or sasha (since thats phil's boy)
yup no doubt there's the business side with connections, agent pressures, connections, cronyism, etc. however, when jackson came in and said his time here would be focussed on culture change, i took it to mean that the organization would become increasingly immune to such nonsense and focus on occasionally politically incorrect things like doing everything possible to win rather than assuage bruised egos.
happily, since both rose and ennings are on one-year contracts, this gives hornacek much more leverage to do what he wants to do, whether that coincides with my wishes or not.
I wonder if Baker plays ahead of Kuz in the rotation? Also, how long until Willy gets the back up center position? Does Sasha play ahead of Holiday, Baker? Do N'Dour and Plumlee start in Westchester on assignment?
CrushAlot wrote:I wonder if Baker plays ahead of Kuz in the rotation? Also, how long until Willy gets the back up center position? Does Sasha play ahead of Holiday, Baker? Do N'Dour and Plumlee start in Westchester on assignment?
I think Sasha earned the first shot at backup SG over Holiday and Baker. Holiday will probably get burn based on defensive assignments at the 2-3.
dk7th wrote:callmened wrote:lol...ahhhhahhahahaahhaahah...yikes...i hope you know that i realize that none of opinions are up to me, you or any knick fanatic on this site. i mean you would have to think i have a huge ego where i could have that ability. of course i cant conclude who will be in the rotation or not.
however i can presume (like you stated) whatever or whoever i want or like. lol. im using my best deduction and logic, i can assume or presume that certain players will get playing time and others wont. in my opinion, i dont think baker will get significant mins in the rotation.
youre talking about red holzman and pop and RC buford...this is the 2016 knicks ran by jeff hornecek. whether they SHOULD run 12 players or give every player a FAIR opportunity is different from what they actually WILL do. i dont think they will play baker or plumlee many significant minutes. i dont think thats an indictment or a crazy statement to make. unfortunately money, connections, sports agents and salary determine playing opportunities WAYYYY more than actual ability. i highly doubt that baker will get playing time over courtney lee or sasha (since thats phil's boy)
yup no doubt there's the business side with connections, agent pressures, connections, cronyism, etc. however, when jackson came in and said his time here would be focussed on culture change, i took it to mean that the organization would become increasingly immune to such nonsense and focus on occasionally politically incorrect things like doing everything possible to win rather than assuage bruised egos.
happily, since both rose and ennings are on one-year contracts, this gives hornacek much more leverage to do what he wants to do, whether that coincides with my wishes or not.
trust me, thats not the case at all...it just isnt. there might be LESS of that under phil, but it definitely still happens.
