Phil has completely undermined the coach. Six games in. What a joke.
I'd like to have a GM who cares more about winning than he does proving a point
Ever wonder why we don't hear what system Lebron's coaches use to win his rings and getting to six straight Finals with two completely different teams? People just accept that he's the best player in the league and it's led to him winning. Yet, Michael, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq - they could only win using the Triangle. Phil is so insecure about his coaching career that it has led to this. He needs to prove the Triangle above all else.
crzymdups wrote:Ever wonder why we don't hear what system Lebron's coaches use to win his rings and getting to six straight Finals with two completely different teams? People just accept that he's the best player in the league and it's led to him winning. Yet, Michael, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq - they could only win using the Triangle. Phil is so insecure about his coaching career that it has led to this. He needs to prove the Triangle above all else.
I dont believe Phil needed the Triangle to win all those rings. If anything it waters down his legacy to treat the Triangle as such a necessary ingredient to his success. The Triangle was just another tool in the toolbox for a great coach. Riley never got all OCD about his system(s), neither should Phil.
GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Ever wonder why we don't hear what system Lebron's coaches use to win his rings and getting to six straight Finals with two completely different teams? People just accept that he's the best player in the league and it's led to him winning. Yet, Michael, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq - they could only win using the Triangle. Phil is so insecure about his coaching career that it has led to this. He needs to prove the Triangle above all else.
I dont believe Phil needed the Triangle to win all those rings. If anything it waters down his legacy to treat the Triangle as such a necessary ingredient to his success. The Triangle was just another tool in the toolbox for a great coach. Riley never got all OCD about his system(s), neither should Phil.
The theory I've heard is that Phil bristled at the idea that he won because of his great players and not his system. So he wants to prove the system works.
Hey, Phil is undisputedly a great coach. But this is a player's league and a superstar's sport. If you don't have a top five player in the league, you have almost zero chance of winning it all. Really you need a top five player and a second guy who is top ten to fifteen. Lebron and Kyrie. Steph and Klay and Draymond. Kawhi and Duncan. Lebron and Wade. Jordan and Pippen. Kobe and Pau. Kobe and Shaq. Shaq and Wade. That's the "system" that wins the most.
I think Phil could've won a ring using the Triangle with KD and Russ in OKC. But you need two top ten guys.
The list of teams that have won without two top ten guys in the past twenty years is Detroit and Dallas - and they just barely beat teams with two top ten guys.
Phil has never did a damn thing without having great players (all time greats). Before the Lakers got gasol (when shaq left) they sucked, and kobe was looking at the front door.
hall-of-fame players- Rodman-pippen, Jordon, shaq, kobe, Gasol(will be)
He has been one of the worse presidents in the NBA
crzymdups wrote:GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Ever wonder why we don't hear what system Lebron's coaches use to win his rings and getting to six straight Finals with two completely different teams? People just accept that he's the best player in the league and it's led to him winning. Yet, Michael, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq - they could only win using the Triangle. Phil is so insecure about his coaching career that it has led to this. He needs to prove the Triangle above all else.
I dont believe Phil needed the Triangle to win all those rings. If anything it waters down his legacy to treat the Triangle as such a necessary ingredient to his success. The Triangle was just another tool in the toolbox for a great coach. Riley never got all OCD about his system(s), neither should Phil.
The theory I've heard is that Phil bristled at the idea that he won because of his great players and not his system. So he wants to prove the system works.
Hey, Phil is undisputedly a great coach. But this is a player's league and a superstar's sport. If you don't have a top five player in the league, you have almost zero chance of winning it all. Really you need a top five player and a second guy who is top ten to fifteen. Lebron and Kyrie. Steph and Klay and Draymond. Kawhi and Duncan. Lebron and Wade. Jordan and Pippen. Kobe and Pau. Kobe and Shaq. Shaq and Wade. That's the "system" that wins the most.
I think Phil could've won a ring using the Triangle with KD and Russ in OKC. But you need two top ten guys.
The list of teams that have won without two top ten guys in the past twenty years is Detroit and Dallas - and they just barely beat teams with two top ten guys.
Rambis as head coach went nowhere with the same Laker roster, the same system, that Phil had. Phil is selling himself short by putting so much of his success on the system. Would have been better off just admitting that having HOF players on his teams, at their peak, didnt hurt.
GustavBahler wrote:jrodmc wrote:$12 million a year so he can fade into the bushes? Right. This is what you get with the Zenmaster.He wants the triangle, but he knows 'today's players' don't:
1) have the rudimentary skills to learn it
2) have the desire to slow the game down (Thank you bang bang bang Steph Curry, and NFL fullback wide receiver LeBron)
So please just play it in your half court sets, should that ever happen to occur.
So if we could just stop people from scoring...we would never have to worry about running the triangle. 
Quiet Eli. I dont want Phil to fade into the bushes. Would love for Phil to be a very visible presence, someone the players can go to for advice, or Phil can give advice to if he believes a player needs it. I believe Phil can have a positive influence on this team other than mandating what system they run, even when its clear that its not, nor will it ever be the best option. At that point you're hurting the team as much as you're helping it.
Yeah, I got it Winston; don't fade into the bushes, just be an overpaid giant fortune cookie. Tell the players all about how Clyde made out back in the day.
You believe Phil can have a positive influence? Like, drafting KP, keeping all of our first rounders, getting rid of a previous crop of head cases, even throw in a tank season bone to all the gm Hinkie wannabe's. That's a safe belief you have there.
He's still a coach first, and an executive second. Guy has huge ego and a belief in his pet system. Good for him.
It's interesting that Pop wins rings and is called a fucqin genius, but Phil wins twice as many and is still a stooge.
Killa4luv wrote:We r putting up points and our defense is atrocious but let's focus on the triangle.
This....
jrodmc wrote:GustavBahler wrote:jrodmc wrote:$12 million a year so he can fade into the bushes? Right. This is what you get with the Zenmaster.He wants the triangle, but he knows 'today's players' don't:
1) have the rudimentary skills to learn it
2) have the desire to slow the game down (Thank you bang bang bang Steph Curry, and NFL fullback wide receiver LeBron)
So please just play it in your half court sets, should that ever happen to occur.
So if we could just stop people from scoring...we would never have to worry about running the triangle.
Quiet Eli. I dont want Phil to fade into the bushes. Would love for Phil to be a very visible presence, someone the players can go to for advice, or Phil can give advice to if he believes a player needs it. I believe Phil can have a positive influence on this team other than mandating what system they run, even when its clear that its not, nor will it ever be the best option. At that point you're hurting the team as much as you're helping it.
Yeah, I got it Winston; don't fade into the bushes, just be an overpaid giant fortune cookie. Tell the players all about how Clyde made out back in the day.
You believe Phil can have a positive influence? Like, drafting KP, keeping all of our first rounders, getting rid of a previous crop of head cases, even throw in a tank season bone to all the gm Hinkie wannabe's. That's a safe belief you have there.
He's still a coach first, and an executive second. Guy has huge ego and a belief in his pet system. Good for him.
It's interesting that Pop wins rings and is called a fucqin genius, but Phil wins twice as many and is still a stooge.
You have a very cynical view of Phil's ability to mentor players. You might have noticed that I mentioned upthread the really good things Phil has done as far as building for future. If Phil really believes that he should approach the team as a coach, and not an executive, then that would explain our record since he took the job. The big decisions on coaching should be done by the HEAD COACH, and the executive decisions should be made by the highest ranking executive, which Phil is. Phil's job should be to help make Jeff's job easier. Phil giving the job of defense to one of his flunkies doesnt qualify.
blkexec wrote:I haven't watched a full game yet, but I thought with Noah and KP, our lateral quickness will always be slower than the other teams, who usually have quicker players at those 3 spots (center, pf, sf). Then you add in Rose, who's trying to play injury free and you have 4 players on the court with slower lateral quickness to guard pick and rolls. I always thought the team was better without Noah or KP in the starting lineup. If we want to succeed with Melo, I don't think those three should be on the court at the same time. Need to find a way to keep up the scoring, without having those three in the game (at the same time).
I think Melo should be on the 2nd unit, You want KP and Rose together. Let Melo shoot every time down the court on the 2nd team
Jmpasq wrote:blkexec wrote:I haven't watched a full game yet, but I thought with Noah and KP, our lateral quickness will always be slower than the other teams, who usually have quicker players at those 3 spots (center, pf, sf). Then you add in Rose, who's trying to play injury free and you have 4 players on the court with slower lateral quickness to guard pick and rolls. I always thought the team was better without Noah or KP in the starting lineup. If we want to succeed with Melo, I don't think those three should be on the court at the same time. Need to find a way to keep up the scoring, without having those three in the game (at the same time).
I think Melo should be on the 2nd unit, You want KP and Rose together. Let Melo shoot every time down the court on the 2nd team
That's not actually a terrible idea basketball-wise... it'll never happen obviously, but basketball-wise, I think I could get behind that.
knicks1248 wrote:Since phil has gotten here, there has not been a single player that has been receptive to the triangle, and they never will be, so either he goes, or the system gooes
or the players on one-year deals and on the wrong side of 32....
It's ridiculous to be talking about the offense!!! Right now it's all about DEFENSE!!! The offense will be fine but if they can't significantly improve on D then nothing else matters.
Jmpasq wrote:blkexec wrote:I haven't watched a full game yet, but I thought with Noah and KP, our lateral quickness will always be slower than the other teams, who usually have quicker players at those 3 spots (center, pf, sf). Then you add in Rose, who's trying to play injury free and you have 4 players on the court with slower lateral quickness to guard pick and rolls. I always thought the team was better without Noah or KP in the starting lineup. If we want to succeed with Melo, I don't think those three should be on the court at the same time. Need to find a way to keep up the scoring, without having those three in the game (at the same time).
I think Melo should be on the 2nd unit, You want KP and Rose together. Let Melo shoot every time down the court on the 2nd team
+1 i have always advocated this move, sooner or later. dad melo starts, bad melo 6th man....
dk7th wrote:Jmpasq wrote:blkexec wrote:I haven't watched a full game yet, but I thought with Noah and KP, our lateral quickness will always be slower than the other teams, who usually have quicker players at those 3 spots (center, pf, sf). Then you add in Rose, who's trying to play injury free and you have 4 players on the court with slower lateral quickness to guard pick and rolls. I always thought the team was better without Noah or KP in the starting lineup. If we want to succeed with Melo, I don't think those three should be on the court at the same time. Need to find a way to keep up the scoring, without having those three in the game (at the same time).
I think Melo should be on the 2nd unit, You want KP and Rose together. Let Melo shoot every time down the court on the 2nd team
+1 i have always advocated this move, sooner or later. dad melo starts, bad melo 6th man....
You have also advocated having Melo drawn and quartered, lol.
Phil might be angling for an exit with a big paycheck..
holfresh wrote:Phil might be angling for an exit with a big paycheck..
Has to know that Rambis was the last name anyone but Rambis wanted to hear as defensive coach. He isn't going to get a high profile job now with the Lakers. Buss's moves are starting to pay off, and Walton is going to be around for a while. Maybe he doesn't want to be around to see the team succeed with another system. Wouldnt surprise me at this point.
GustavBahler wrote:dk7th wrote:Jmpasq wrote:blkexec wrote:I haven't watched a full game yet, but I thought with Noah and KP, our lateral quickness will always be slower than the other teams, who usually have quicker players at those 3 spots (center, pf, sf). Then you add in Rose, who's trying to play injury free and you have 4 players on the court with slower lateral quickness to guard pick and rolls. I always thought the team was better without Noah or KP in the starting lineup. If we want to succeed with Melo, I don't think those three should be on the court at the same time. Need to find a way to keep up the scoring, without having those three in the game (at the same time).
I think Melo should be on the 2nd unit, You want KP and Rose together. Let Melo shoot every time down the court on the 2nd team
+1 i have always advocated this move, sooner or later. dad melo starts, bad melo 6th man....
You have also advocated having Melo drawn and quartered, lol.
i have been fair-handed with melo all along. but he may be more effective off the bench as a dominant scorer, so long as he refuses to be dad melo. it's outlandish to many, including melo, but as an idea what is so wrong with it?
GustavBahler wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil might be angling for an exit with a big paycheck..
Has to know that Rambis was the last name anyone but Rambis wanted to hear as defensive coach. He isn't going to get a high profile job now with the Lakers. Buss's moves are starting to pay off, and Walton is going to be around for a while. Maybe he doesn't want to be around to see the team succeed with another system. Wouldnt surprise me at this point.
The Rambis move doesn't make sense to me..It actually means nothing except mostly negative headlines..Why is Phil making a public display so early in the season..MSG earnings was on Friday and they continue to lose money with the Knicks being their biggest earner..I'm sure there are rumblings up there..Phil is spending a lot of MSG cheddar with little to show for it...
