Knicks · LeBron & Maverick Carter responds to Phil Jackson 'posse' reference... (page 1)
New York Knicks president Phil Jackson's labeling of LeBron James' business associates as the three-time NBA champion's "posse" touched a nerve with James' camp on Monday.
"I don't care that he talks about LeBron," Maverick Carter told ESPN.com. "He could say he's not that good or the greatest in the world as a basketball player. I wouldn't care. It's the word 'posse' and the characterization I take offense to. If he would have said LeBron and his agent, LeBron and his business partners or LeBron and his friends, that's one thing. Yet because you're young and black, he can use that word. We're grown men."
Carter, a high school teammate of James', has been involved in James' business ventures for more than a decade. He comprises one part of LRMR, the management company founded by James, Carter, Rich Paul and Randy Mims in 2006 that guides the Cleveland Cavaliers superstar's career on and off the court.
Jackson, in an ESPN.com interview with Jackie MacMullan, made the statement while revisiting James' departure from the Miami Heat in the summer of 2014 and what it meant for the tenure of Heat president Pat Riley.
"It had to hurt when they lost LeBron," Jackson said. "That was definitely a slap in the face. But there were a lot of little things that came out of that. When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland, and he wanted to spend the night. They don't do overnights. Teams just don't. So now [coach Erik] Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, 'What do I do in this situation?' And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, 'You are on the plane. You are with this team.' You can't hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your posse want to spend an extra night in Cleveland.
"I always thought Pat had this really nice vibe with his guys. But something happened there where it broke down. I do know LeBron likes special treatment. He needs things his way."
Carter, citing the recent debate around coded language, said he felt obligated to respond to Jackson's comment. He also tweeted his dismay with the article:
Later, Carter posted a second tweet to clarify that he wasn't referring to Jackson as racist.
James, 31, is widely considered to have the most successful off-court business enterprise by any athlete since Michael Jordan.
In the past several years, James' partnership with Carter has resulted in a lifetime contract extension with Nike estimated to be worth nearly $1 billion; the launch of the multimedia company "Uninterrupted"; profiting in the tens of millions after Beats, in which he was an equity stakeholder, sold to Apple for $3.2 billion; and the cultivation of "SpringHill Entertainment," a production company that has paired with Warner Bros. and created several television projects, including "The Wall," a high-stakes game show hosted by Chris Hardwick that will premiere on NBC next month.
Carter, 35, is based in Los Angeles, where he oversees the entertainment aspects of James' off-court interest. Paul, 34, is based in Cleveland, Ohio, and runs "Klutch Sports," the sports agency that represents not only James but also his teammates Tristan Thompson and J.R. Smith and a score of other NBA players including Ben Simmons, the 2016 No. 1 NBA draft pick by Philadelphia. Mims, 41, is the executive administrator of player programs and logistics for the Cavs.
As for Jackson's claim of "special treatment" for James, the Heat did stay in Cleveland following their game against the Cavaliers once while James was a member of the Miami franchise in order to go as a team to his house for Thanksgiving dinner the next day.
dacash wrote:is the word posse really offensive toPosse is a word to describe a bunch of men--most notably in the wild west. I hope that this rhetoric will calm down. As I have said a million times- a huge majority of white people dont walk around the house wishing ill will on AA or any other race. They live their own daily lives and Im sure for the most part are very friendly to almost anyone. Just like the stupid talk about Trump--I can guarantee you the majority of people who voted for him--not all because there are always bad seeds--but a HUGE majority of white people who voted for Trump liked his message of jobs and lower taxes. I do think its possible that some want to make sure people from the ME are coming here foe the right reasons but other than that--dead wrong.
dacash wrote:is the word posse really offensive to black Americans?
Same question here...
I am only 20 years in US so this word does not ring a bell.
Probably same for all new emigrants.
What is the story behind it that gives it bad racial overtones?
BRIGGS wrote:dacash wrote:is the word posse really offensive toPosse is a word to describe a bunch of men--most notably in the wild west. I hope that this rhetoric will calm down. As I have said a million times- a huge majority of white people dont walk around the house wishing ill will on AA or any other race. They live their own daily lives and Im sure for the most part are very friendly to almost anyone. Just like the stupid talk about Trump--I can guarantee you the majority of people who voted for him--not all because there are always bad seeds--but a HUGE majority of white people who voted for Trump liked his message of jobs and lower taxes more than they disliked his message of intolerance and bigotry. I do think its possible that some want to make sure people from the ME are coming here foe the right reasons but other than that--dead wrong.
FTFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songs
dacash wrote:i dont live in the usa not american, so i really dont understand it. i thought your posse was just guys you hang out, that is how it is here and in jamaica from where i believe it began from blacks. but that was from watching too many westerns. is the word possee really that bad for black amaricans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songs
Phil is a guy born in the 1940s...He is older and not prone to political correctness...The remark was a little off colored but I'm sure Phil meant nothing by it..Whites won't be referred to as a posse in today's world..Much like you won't call a group of white guys homeboys..In Jamaica, I think it more refers to a gang of sorts, not just guys hanging out..
LeBron and his business partners took offense because they are cutting billion dollar deals and wants to be seen as such..
dacash wrote:i dont live in the usa not american, so i really dont understand it. i thought your posse was just guys you hang out, that is how it is here and in jamaica from where i believe it began from blacks. but that was from watching too many westerns. is the word possee really that bad for black amaricans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songs
As we do not get any answer I think it is just part of the popular trend to make anything remotely associated with race/gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation/mental health/etc. a public relation issue. It opens a way to have new occupation of public speech editor.
This should be a new position in places like MSG to check every speech or prepared tweet for possible offensive wordings again any group of population and replace it with some neutral analog.
Phil should say - "LeBron have a team of insiders..." or something in this lines.
They also can publish some kind political correctness vocabulary listing all politically incorrect words and idioms ans propose politically neutral alternatives.
holfresh wrote:dacash wrote:i dont live in the usa not american, so i really dont understand it. i thought your posse was just guys you hang out, that is how it is here and in jamaica from where i believe it began from blacks. but that was from watching too many westerns. is the word possee really that bad for black amaricans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songsPhil is a guy born in the 1940s...He is older and not prone to political correctness...The remark was a little off colored but I'm sure Phil meant nothing by it..Whites won't be referred to as a posse in today's world..Much like you won't call a group of white guys homeboys..
LeBron and his business partners took offense because they are cutting billion dollar deals and wants to be seen as such..
This is really what it comes down to. If they want to complain about Phil's lack of respect for their success as business-people, that is their right, but turning it into a race issue when the US has so many of these things going on, is not right. We aren't talking about Donald Sterling here. They are trying to make it into something that it's not.
holfresh wrote:dacash wrote:i dont live in the usa not american, so i really dont understand it. i thought your posse was just guys you hang out, that is how it is here and in jamaica from where i believe it began from blacks. but that was from watching too many westerns. is the word possee really that bad for black amaricans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songsPhil is a guy born in the 1940s...He is older and not prone to political correctness...The remark was a little off colored but I'm sure Phil meant nothing by it..Whites won't be referred to as a posse in today's world..Much like you won't call a group of white guys homeboys..In Jamaica, I think it more refers to a gang of sorts, not just guys hanging out..
LeBron and his business partners took offense because they are cutting billion dollar deals and wants to be seen as such..
when it started it simply refereed to a group hanging out.
i guess im just out of touch lol
Knixkik wrote:holfresh wrote:dacash wrote:i dont live in the usa not american, so i really dont understand it. i thought your posse was just guys you hang out, that is how it is here and in jamaica from where i believe it began from blacks. but that was from watching too many westerns. is the word possee really that bad for black amaricans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songsPhil is a guy born in the 1940s...He is older and not prone to political correctness...The remark was a little off colored but I'm sure Phil meant nothing by it..Whites won't be referred to as a posse in today's world..Much like you won't call a group of white guys homeboys..
LeBron and his business partners took offense because they are cutting billion dollar deals and wants to be seen as such..This is really what it comes down to. If they want to complain about Phil's lack of respect for their success as business-people, that is their right, but turning it into a race issue when the US has so many of these things going on, is not right. We aren't talking about Donald Sterling here. They are trying to make it into something that it's not.
The power of media is huge...
I stopped watching TV except of Knicks/Rangers about 4 years back to keep my sanity.
Now I am cutting on Internet news sites. It is getting as bad as TV already became.
Knixkik wrote:holfresh wrote:dacash wrote:i dont live in the usa not american, so i really dont understand it. i thought your posse was just guys you hang out, that is how it is here and in jamaica from where i believe it began from blacks. but that was from watching too many westerns. is the word possee really that bad for black amaricans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songsPhil is a guy born in the 1940s...He is older and not prone to political correctness...The remark was a little off colored but I'm sure Phil meant nothing by it..Whites won't be referred to as a posse in today's world..Much like you won't call a group of white guys homeboys..
LeBron and his business partners took offense because they are cutting billion dollar deals and wants to be seen as such..This is really what it comes down to. If they want to complain about Phil's lack of respect for their success as business-people, that is their right, but turning it into a race issue when the US has so many of these things going on, is not right. We aren't talking about Donald Sterling here. They are trying to make it into something that it's not.
Well if you look at the history of LeBron's business group around the time it was formulated, they took a lot of flack for forming that group...There were lots of racial overtones directed at them... I recall most people saying it wasn't a smart business move and LeBron is doing it because is "carrying" his friends..Lots of people said MJ wouldn't do it because he was the measuring stick at the time..They even interviewed David Falk, the big NBA agent, that the stars gravitated to back in the day...But it turned out to be a really shewed business move, articles were written about it after and proved the naysayers wrong...So from that perspective, Phil might have unwittingly struck a nerve..
holfresh wrote:Knixkik wrote:holfresh wrote:dacash wrote:i dont live in the usa not american, so i really dont understand it. i thought your posse was just guys you hang out, that is how it is here and in jamaica from where i believe it began from blacks. but that was from watching too many westerns. is the word possee really that bad for black amaricans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPpy_SVV_0
one of my fav songsPhil is a guy born in the 1940s...He is older and not prone to political correctness...The remark was a little off colored but I'm sure Phil meant nothing by it..Whites won't be referred to as a posse in today's world..Much like you won't call a group of white guys homeboys..
LeBron and his business partners took offense because they are cutting billion dollar deals and wants to be seen as such..This is really what it comes down to. If they want to complain about Phil's lack of respect for their success as business-people, that is their right, but turning it into a race issue when the US has so many of these things going on, is not right. We aren't talking about Donald Sterling here. They are trying to make it into something that it's not.
Well if you look at the history of LeBron's business group around the time it was formulated, they took a lot of flack for forming that group...There were lots of racial overtones directed at them... I recall most people saying it wasn't a smart business move and LeBron is doing it because is "carrying" his friends..Lots of people said MJ wouldn't do it because he was the measuring stick at the time..They even interviewed David Falk, the big NBA agent, that the stars gravitated to back in the day...But it turned out to be a really shewed business move, articles were written about it after and proved the naysayers wrong...So from that perspective, Phil might have unwittingly struck a nerve..
People usually flip out if they feel some guilt or insecurity.
Not sure why LeBron will feel any of this.
It the same as insist that Kristap and his brothers are some kind of Latvian mafia.
This is laughable at best.
knicks1248 wrote:entourage is the same as posse, I think they are way to sensitive.
No matter what word he used, they would have taken offense to it. Bottom line is they are insecure to the idea that they rode LeBron's coat-tails to get where they are today. While they deserve credit for taking advantage of a great opportunity, there is a 99.9999% chance we would not know who Maverick Carter is without LeBron's need to help out his buddies. And there is nothing wrong with that.
but now that i think of it, when was this interview conducted AND why did ESPN choose to display it NOW? hmmmmmmmmmmm (Race sells)
now, is phil racist? no i dont think so. i just think hes an old man it couldve used better terms - especially with recent events
PS - i have a friend of a friend (who flies private corporate jets for all these athletes). from what i hear, theyre pompous a-holes that think very highly of themselves - but theyre no "posse". if anything they try to overcompensate as trying TOO hard to come off as "corporate" - so that comment probably hurt their feelings
callmened wrote:wow! when my wife and I first heard the quote we were offended - but keep in mind the CONTEXT of things.
I don't get why you would feel offended. Here is the context:
"It had to hurt when they lost LeBron," Jackson said. "That was definitely a slap in the face. But there were a lot of little things that came out of that. When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland, and he wanted to spend the night. They don't do overnights. Teams just don't. So now [coach Erik] Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, 'What do I do in this situation?' And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, 'You are on the plane. You are with this team.' You can't hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your posse want to spend an extra night in Cleveland.
The context suggests that Phil was talking about the people LeBron was hanging out with, including his family (mom).
Why were you offended by this?
I've always had 2 definitions of the word posse. One was the old, western type, the other describes a group of friends or people that hang out together.
PJax called out his actions and character not his race. The KING should be ashamed of himself. He got called out and then played the race card...
As if anything Phil says is going to stop Lebron from making the Billion Dollars that he is after!