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uhhhhh....NOT

Carmelo Anthony Makes Kristaps Porzingis Better
by Maxwell Ogden

A belief exists that Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose are preventing Kristaps Porzingis from realizing his potential. The New York Knicks phenom responded.

Kristaps Porzingis is a 7’3″ phenom with unprecedented athleticism and coordination for a player his size. He’s also a lethal 3-point shooter with a wealth of post moves and a confidence that’s beginning to border on unflappable.

As Porzingis flashes his star potential with more consistency, New York Knicks fans, as well as those around the NBA, have hypothesized that it’s time for him to take over.

Porzingis is currently in his second season as an NBA player. He’s averaging 20.2 points, 7.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.1 blocks, and 2.1 3-point field goals made in 32.4 minutes per game.

Per Ian Begley of ESPN New York, Porzingis responded to the idea that he’d be better off without Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose.

“Without Melo, it would be much more difficult for me to get those 30 points, or 28. People don’t realize that. But that’s how it is. He draws a lot of attention, and he’s the main focus for the other team. That opens up stuff for me. So without him, it would be much more difficult.

“I’m happy to have him and D-Rose and guys who are really aggressive driving to the basket, who draw so much attention for me to be able to get those wide-open looks and then attack. It’s good sometimes that we have that. Without them, it would be much more difficult.”
The numbers support what Porzingis is saying.

With Anthony on the court, Porzingis is averaging 21.6 points per 36 minutes on a slash line of .520/.457/.735. With Anthony off the court, Porzingis is averaging 24.5 points per 36 minutes on a slash line of .448/.261/.826.

Porzingis may be scoring more with Anthony on the bench, but his efficiency plummets from the field and 3-point range.

A similar story is told via the statistics when Rose is on the court with Porzingis. Porzingis averages 24.1 points per 36 minutes on shooting marks of .450/.292/.800 when Rose is on the bench.

His scoring declines to 21.9 points per 36 minutes with Rose on the court, but his efficiency dramatically improves to a slash line of .515/.444/.762.

Though Porzingis may be finding his own form of greatness, there’s no denying how much easier Anthony and Rose make it for him. Anthony continues to be one of the best scorers in the NBA and Rose has been penetrating at will throughout the 2016-17 season.

With both players on the court, defensive rotations are made and openings are presented for Porzingis to step into and score.

The notion that Anthony and Rose are stunting Porzingis’ development is clearly disputed by the numbers and the player himself.

All statistics were provided by NBA.com.

Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

Having talented vets is helping KP and the other youngsters to learn how to win! It's not something young teams know how to do and it can only help the maturation process for KP IMO.

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

Actually I'm responding to the person who posted the article but apparently disagrees with it.

Welpee wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

Actually I'm responding to the person who posted the article but apparently disagrees with it.

No bro hooked on phonics didn't work for you. Your reading comprehension sucks.

Check out the.... "uhhhhh....NOT" at the top of the article. You lost again

ActionJackson wrote:uhhhhh....NOT

Carmelo Anthony Makes Kristaps Porzingis Better
by Maxwell Ogden

A belief exists that Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose are preventing Kristaps Porzingis from realizing his potential. The New York Knicks phenom responded.

Kristaps Porzingis is a 7’3″ phenom with unprecedented athleticism and coordination for a player his size. He’s also a lethal 3-point shooter with a wealth of post moves and a confidence that’s beginning to border on unflappable.

As Porzingis flashes his star potential with more consistency, New York Knicks fans, as well as those around the NBA, have hypothesized that it’s time for him to take over.

Porzingis is currently in his second season as an NBA player. He’s averaging 20.2 points, 7.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.1 blocks, and 2.1 3-point field goals made in 32.4 minutes per game.

Per Ian Begley of ESPN New York, Porzingis responded to the idea that he’d be better off without Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose.

“Without Melo, it would be much more difficult for me to get those 30 points, or 28. People don’t realize that. But that’s how it is. He draws a lot of attention, and he’s the main focus for the other team. That opens up stuff for me. So without him, it would be much more difficult.

“I’m happy to have him and D-Rose and guys who are really aggressive driving to the basket, who draw so much attention for me to be able to get those wide-open looks and then attack. It’s good sometimes that we have that. Without them, it would be much more difficult.”
The numbers support what Porzingis is saying.

With Anthony on the court, Porzingis is averaging 21.6 points per 36 minutes on a slash line of .520/.457/.735. With Anthony off the court, Porzingis is averaging 24.5 points per 36 minutes on a slash line of .448/.261/.826.

Porzingis may be scoring more with Anthony on the bench, but his efficiency plummets from the field and 3-point range.

A similar story is told via the statistics when Rose is on the court with Porzingis. Porzingis averages 24.1 points per 36 minutes on shooting marks of .450/.292/.800 when Rose is on the bench.

His scoring declines to 21.9 points per 36 minutes with Rose on the court, but his efficiency dramatically improves to a slash line of .515/.444/.762.

Though Porzingis may be finding his own form of greatness, there’s no denying how much easier Anthony and Rose make it for him. Anthony continues to be one of the best scorers in the NBA and Rose has been penetrating at will throughout the 2016-17 season.

With both players on the court, defensive rotations are made and openings are presented for Porzingis to step into and score.

The notion that Anthony and Rose are stunting Porzingis’ development is clearly disputed by the numbers and the player himself.

All statistics were provided by NBA.com.

No doubt, KP, like any other young star, is better with help.

EnySpree wrote:

Welpee wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

Actually I'm responding to the person who posted the article but apparently disagrees with it.

No bro hooked on phonics didn't work for you. Your reading comprehension sucks.

Check out the.... "uhhhhh....NOT" at the top of the article. You lost again

Thanks ENY, clearly my finely tuned sense of wit & sarcasm is lost on many here but good to know that I definitely have a 2nd career as a "click bait" title creator.

ActionJackson wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Welpee wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

Actually I'm responding to the person who posted the article but apparently disagrees with it.

No bro hooked on phonics didn't work for you. Your reading comprehension sucks.

Check out the.... "uhhhhh....NOT" at the top of the article. You lost again

Thanks ENY, clearly my finely tuned sense of wit & sarcasm is lost on many here but good to know that I definitely have a 2nd career as a "click bait" title creator.

Click bait assassin!

But this poster is a nut anyway.

Epic thread !

We have a bit of everything here, let's see. Misunderstood sarcasm? Check. A point of view clearly supported by stats? Another check. Beautiful girl pics? Check.
So is there anything missing? Still seems like we need another necessary ingredient. Oh, of course, there is only one thing that could be added here to make this thread complete. Since it's about KP someone just needs to turn it into a Melo hating thread and voila!

ActionJackson wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Welpee wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

Actually I'm responding to the person who posted the article but apparently disagrees with it.

No bro hooked on phonics didn't work for you. Your reading comprehension sucks.

Check out the.... "uhhhhh....NOT" at the top of the article. You lost again

Thanks ENY, clearly my finely tuned sense of wit & sarcasm is lost on many here but good to know that I definitely have a 2nd career as a "click bait" title creator.

OK, got it. However...if you want to be technical...if a message is misunderstood you blame the communicator, not the audience. Just saying.

EnySpree wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Welpee wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

Actually I'm responding to the person who posted the article but apparently disagrees with it.

No bro hooked on phonics didn't work for you. Your reading comprehension sucks.

Check out the.... "uhhhhh....NOT" at the top of the article. You lost again

Thanks ENY, clearly my finely tuned sense of wit & sarcasm is lost on many here but good to know that I definitely have a 2nd career as a "click bait" title creator.

Click bait assassin!

But this poster is a nut anyway.

lol...still bitter because your ridiculous Lampe posts? Let it go.

I like the mix. Melo is here to stay like it or not... the better players around him play the better he plays. He's not going to elevate a team of below average guys. He's not Lebron or Ewing for that matter. He's a scorer, but if you look at his history he plays his best when he's got some ponies around him... those Billups/Camby teams, the 53 win team here, his #s playing next to Iverson were the most eff% of his career... Look at Melo's stat line the night KP had 35. Its telling. When Melo has good talent around him he plays like a top 10 player. If we can get Rose to elevate his game I think we will see the best from Melo. That is the hope anyway...

I know many thought we should have rebuilt around KP cleaning the roster further and stockpiling young players, but I am good with this course of action. My belief in Willy is a big part of that. I think with KP/Willy we have a front court of the future and adding enough guys to get us into the post season is a good direction.

There are countless rebuilds that failed not because of young talent, but because it also did not have veteran leadership.
Colangelo saw that in Philly and is trying to address it.
The Wizards failed with a youthier mix of Wall and Beal and a young front line.
Minnesota seems to be in perpetual rebuild mode with youth and perhaps in time wigeons and Towns are elite enough on their own.

NY pepetuates the notion that a player when finally given a chance and succeeds must have been "kept back" without consideration that actually it was "Preperation" that ultimately succeeded? We don't see practice. And we don't get the dynamic of a team that would promote a player not deserving over another and how that kills the locker room.

What I see is a natural progression for KP and also one that allows him to grow into his body.

IM not sure Hinkie was that far off base with how he did things but its obvious injuries played a huge role. Ben Simmons put on 30 LBs on his frame and broke his foot. In contrast we are not allowing KP to bulk up and want his body to grow into its frame.

Also, look a the success of the spurs, then infuse young players and they either rise up or are gone. No doubt bringing in young players to a winning culture is best, and if you don't have the culture then It is better to strive for it sooner than later.

If there's anything to learn from the Hinkie model, it's that yoots can't get it all done. Yoots get hurt, yoots get distracted, yoots get shot outside strip clubs, blah blah blah.

Frickin kids these days... *snort*

Philly's been in perpetual tank mode for going on 5 years? Do they have some studs? Sure, but living and investing your entire existence on lottery picks is about as brilliant in the NBA as it is in life. It makes for some exciting times when the ping pong balls are bouncing around, but it's mainly a diversion for fantasy league jerk offs and GM wannabes who think they're smarter and more insightful than people with actual NBA jobs. (like me talking about Hinkie right here )

Ewing had Cartwrong, Oakley, some old soul PG's...
Duncan had Robinson, Bowen, some other notable vets.
Kobe Shaq then Kobe Pau
Ben Wallace and crew...not too many yoots there

You need balance and I think Phil gets that.

I like this team.

Welpee wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Welpee wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Welpee wrote:Actually I think having Rose and Melo takes a lot of pressure off an extremely young player in his second NBA season. They're not holding him back, they're giving him the time and space to develop at a natural pace. Again, Knicks fans have no patience. They want KP to be Dirk before Dirk was even Dirk.

You very clearly didn't read the article.

Actually I'm responding to the person who posted the article but apparently disagrees with it.

No bro hooked on phonics didn't work for you. Your reading comprehension sucks.

Check out the.... "uhhhhh....NOT" at the top of the article. You lost again

Thanks ENY, clearly my finely tuned sense of wit & sarcasm is lost on many here but good to know that I definitely have a 2nd career as a "click bait" title creator.

OK, got it. However...if you want to be technical...if a message is misunderstood you blame the communicator, not the audience. Just saying.

Funny how that works here, but anywhere else you can blame the "uneducated rabble" for not getting the "elite" message...

Guess it depends if you're the communicator or the audience to determine WHO gets to place the blame...

fishmike wrote:I like the mix. Melo is here to stay like it or not... the better players around him play the better he plays. He's not going to elevate a team of below average guys. He's not Lebron or Ewing for that matter. He's a scorer, but if you look at his history he plays his best when he's got some ponies around him... those Billups/Camby teams, the 53 win team here, his #s playing next to Iverson were the most eff% of his career... Look at Melo's stat line the night KP had 35. Its telling. When Melo has good talent around him he plays like a top 10 player. If we can get Rose to elevate his game I think we will see the best from Melo. That is the hope anyway...

I know many thought we should have rebuilt around KP cleaning the roster further and stockpiling young players, but I am good with this course of action. My belief in Willy is a big part of that. I think with KP/Willy we have a front court of the future and adding enough guys to get us into the post season is a good direction.

EXCELLENT POST!

I might add that despite the complaints about the Knicks not building around KP, in fact they are not that old aside from Melo and Noah. It get's assumed that we MUST have a PG as young as KP in order to actually be on the right track but IMO having PG's with more experience is a GOOD thing for KP. IMO the idea that the Knicks should rebuild with youth is missing the actual reality of the roster, which has youth on it already!!! Just not complete neophytes who have no clue what they're doing.

NO.	NAME	                POS	AGE	HT	WT	
6	Kristaps Porzingis	PF	21	7-3	240	
14	Willy Hernangomez	C	22	6-11	240	
31	Ron Baker	        SG	23	6-4	220	
2	Maurice Daly Ndour	SF	24	6-9	200	
40	Marshall Plumlee	C	24	7-0	250	
9	Kyle O'Quinn	        C	26	6-10	250	
8	Justin Holiday	        SG	27	6-6	185	
3	Brandon Jennings	PG	27	6-1	170	
91	Mindaugas Kuzminskas	SF	27	6-9	215	
25	Derrick Rose	        PG	28	6-3	190	
42	Lance Thomas	        SF	28	6-8	235	
5	Courtney Lee	        SG	31	6-5	200	
13	Joakim Noah	        C	31	6-11	230	
7	Carmelo Anthony	        SF	32	6-8	240	
18	Sasha Vujacic	        SG	32	6-7	195	

fishmike wrote:He's a scorer, but if you look at his history he plays his best when he's got some ponies around him...

Whoa whooooaaa there Fishy take it easy with referring to players as Ponies or as a Posse or any outdated Western reference, you dont want to be labeled as the Phil Jackson of UK

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:I like the mix. Melo is here to stay like it or not... the better players around him play the better he plays. He's not going to elevate a team of below average guys. He's not Lebron or Ewing for that matter. He's a scorer, but if you look at his history he plays his best when he's got some ponies around him... those Billups/Camby teams, the 53 win team here, his #s playing next to Iverson were the most eff% of his career... Look at Melo's stat line the night KP had 35. Its telling. When Melo has good talent around him he plays like a top 10 player. If we can get Rose to elevate his game I think we will see the best from Melo. That is the hope anyway...

I know many thought we should have rebuilt around KP cleaning the roster further and stockpiling young players, but I am good with this course of action. My belief in Willy is a big part of that. I think with KP/Willy we have a front court of the future and adding enough guys to get us into the post season is a good direction.

EXCELLENT POST!

I might add that despite the complaints about the Knicks not building around KP, in fact they are not that old aside from Melo and Noah. It get's assumed that we MUST have a PG as young as KP in order to actually be on the right track but IMO having PG's with more experience is a GOOD thing for KP. IMO the idea that the Knicks should rebuild with youth is missing the actual reality of the roster, which has youth on it already!!! Just not complete neophytes who have no clue what they're doing.

NO.	NAME	                POS	AGE	HT	WT	
6	Kristaps Porzingis	PF	21	7-3	240	
14	Willy Hernangomez	C	22	6-11	240	
31	Ron Baker	        SG	23	6-4	220	
2	Maurice Daly Ndour	SF	24	6-9	200	
40	Marshall Plumlee	C	24	7-0	250	
9	Kyle O'Quinn	        C	26	6-10	250	
8	Justin Holiday	        SG	27	6-6	185	
3	Brandon Jennings	PG	27	6-1	170	
91	Mindaugas Kuzminskas	SF	27	6-9	215	
25	Derrick Rose	        PG	28	6-3	190	
42	Lance Thomas	        SF	28	6-8	235	
5	Courtney Lee	        SG	31	6-5	200	
13	Joakim Noah	        C	31	6-11	230	
7	Carmelo Anthony	        SF	32	6-8	240	
18	Sasha Vujacic	        SG	32	6-7	195	

Yeah, a majority of our rotation is actually pretty young. We don't need to find a PG right away to fit with KP. Rose and Jennings are just 28 and 27, so there is time. We can blend another PG into the mix down the road.

ActionJackson wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's a scorer, but if you look at his history he plays his best when he's got some ponies around him...

Whoa whooooaaa there Fishy take it easy with referring to players as Ponies or as a Posse or any outdated Western reference, you dont want to be labeled as the Phil Jackson of UK

its too late. Everyone here already knows Im an asshole