I know it's obviously early and health is huge for both of these guys but is B.Jennings making a case for us to save some money on a big D.Rose contract and make him our starting PG after this season or would you rather give a max contract (which is what he wants) to D.Rose and have him running this team for the next 4/5 years?? B.Jennings is playing absolutely amazing ball while playing as a true PG but is this what we'd get from Jennings after he signs a 4/5 year deal or is this him playing for that contract and we wouldn't get everything he has for the length of a new contract?? When he comes into the game with the second unit or whoever is on the court with him he gives us a huge boost in the game and he's playing great on both sides of the ball. Then of course the 3rd option is signing both but that's gonna be hard to do money wise and even though B.Jennings wants to be a New York Knick as much as Melo does teams will come after him with starting jobs and good contract offers if he keeps playing this way?
For me if both of these guys can prove their health this season then i don't see any better option but to have both of them back and hope B.Jennings will be alright with being in the 6th man/backup PG for the next 4/5 years. Signing D.Rose to a max 4/5 year contract will be a scary thing to do but he's got his legs back and soon he's gonna start finding his shot again and when he does that he's gonna be so much more dangerous then he is now cause players will play up on him and it will be that much easier for him to go around them.
I do think B.Jennings can run this team though and wouldn't hate it if he was our starting PG especially with the money saved on Rose which can be spent elsewhere but i'd so much rather him backing up D.Rose or even C.Paul.
What say you?????
Too early to tell. We just have to see how the season goes and how far this team gets in the playoffs. Obviously, if we make it to the 2nd round or conference finals, we probably would want to bring everyone back.
I am confident if we have a good year, and both seem to enjoy playing here, we can resign both. I think both will make it work and want to come back as long as they get a contract within reason of what they can get in the open market. If i had to chose between the 2, i would pick Jennings because he will come a little cheaper, has proven his willingness to play as a starter or 6th man, fits better with different lineups, and is more of a "pure" PG. He is also a year younger as a bonus. But unless there is an obvious upgrade available, i would say resign both because it is proving to be a solid combo and both are even capable of playing together. Plus i think both are capable of playing 4 more years of good basketball at the level they are at.
I need to see Jennings show that he can hit some shots before I commit. This all changes if we draft a solid PG prospect. Jennings would definitely make more sense if we go that route.
its a good question. The problem with Rose is if he doesnt have those mad hops and quickness he's a pretty bad basketball player.
I think what we are seeing with Jennings is he can stink shooting the ball (2-6, 0-4 from downtown last night) but still be a high impact player. Rose however needs to score, something he is very good at.
There is a money crunch also... based on last year's market Jennings is playing himself into a big payday. When guys like Turner and Crabbe are getting $15-$18mm what is Jennings worth? I think his current contract means we cant keep both.
Is it Jennings, or the system?
I like the kid and what he is doing. "for the money" is a factor and it depends on the market. Does he get "starter money" or not?
As for Rose, same thing: "is he a max player". I don't care what he wants, what would the market pay him?
And where would he go? Who has the money and the need for the position or desire to upgrade?
Like wise, who would be our alternative?
Kudo's to phil for all the crying fans did last year to upgrade from Jose, a little patience gave us two Pg's much better than Jose, and it only cost us Ropez (basically).
Im going to just enjoy this tandem until July 1st and perhaps it all gets sorted out by then.
Its hard to replace what Rose brings to the table but if players like Kuzminskas and Hernangomez continue to improve, I think you have to go with Jennings
Swishfm3 wrote:Its hard to replace what Rose brings to the table but if players like Kuzminskas and Hernangomez continue to improve, I think you have to go with Jennings
I think it is too early to decide. I love Jennings coming off the bench. He brings so much energy and is a nice fit in that role. He struggled a bit with the starters when Rose picked up that early foul in the third quarter. They are a bit more plodding.
CrushAlot wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Its hard to replace what Rose brings to the table but if players like Kuzminskas and Hernangomez continue to improve, I think you have to go with Jennings
I think it is too early to decide. I love Jennings coming off the bench. He brings so much energy and is a nice fit in that role. He struggled a bit with the starters when Rose picked up that early foul in the third quarter. They are a bit more plodding.
The starters weren't used to playing at Jennings' speed. They settled in after a few minutes. I love having both of these guys. They bring different styles that clash in the right way. It changes up the pace.
Nalod wrote:
Is it Jennings, or the system?
I like the kid and what he is doing. "for the money" is a factor and it depends on the market. Does he get "starter money" or not?
As for Rose, same thing: "is he a max player". I don't care what he wants, what would the market pay him?And where would he go? Who has the money and the need for the position or desire to upgrade?
Like wise, who would be our alternative?
Kudo's to phil for all the crying fans did last year to upgrade from Jose, a little patience gave us two Pg's much better than Jose, and it only cost us Ropez (basically).
Im going to just enjoy this tandem until July 1st and perhaps it all gets sorted out by then.
Yeah, we'll worry about PGs next summer when the time comes. But remember, all it takes is one irrational owner to get someone paid.
fishmike wrote:its a good question. The problem with Rose is if he doesnt have those mad hops and quickness he's a pretty bad basketball player.I think what we are seeing with Jennings is he can stink shooting the ball (2-6, 0-4 from downtown last night) but still be a high impact player. Rose however needs to score, something he is very good at.
There is a money crunch also... based on last year's market Jennings is playing himself into a big payday. When guys like Turner and Crabbe are getting $15-$18mm what is Jennings worth? I think his current contract means we cant keep both.
The nice thing about having them under contract is that we can go over the cap to keep them.
I'd be in favor of keeping both on reasonable contracts - but it's very early. Let's see how they hold up over a full season. Time will tell.
This season to me is about enjoying what we have. It might be Melo's last really good season. It reminds me of the 2012-3 season where it was pretty obvious it was a one season run. Maybe it can be two. Maybe DRose learns how to be a great point guard without needing to dunk. His quickness is still there, as is his bball skill.
I'm just in the wait and see camp. I could see a scenario where we make the ECF and I could see a scenario where we get bounced in the first round. Just enjoy the ride.
CrushAlot wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Its hard to replace what Rose brings to the table but if players like Kuzminskas and Hernangomez continue to improve, I think you have to go with Jennings
I think it is too early to decide. I love Jennings coming off the bench. He brings so much energy and is a nice fit in that role. He struggled a bit with the starters when Rose picked up that early foul in the third quarter. They are a bit more plodding.
I think Jennings' future, if he has one with the Knicks, is coming off the bench. His hustle and playmaking seem to compensate for his inconsistent jumper and questionable shots... at least to this point in the early season.
I have never been a big fan of the Jennings, but I can be won over by a guy who hustles and plays with intensity, so I've been pretty happy with his play for the most part.
Given the market...if he was to play like this, with a little better shooting, for the entire season, I would give him a 4yr/$40M type contract.
WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Its hard to replace what Rose brings to the table but if players like Kuzminskas and Hernangomez continue to improve, I think you have to go with Jennings
I think it is too early to decide. I love Jennings coming off the bench. He brings so much energy and is a nice fit in that role. He struggled a bit with the starters when Rose picked up that early foul in the third quarter. They are a bit more plodding.
I think Jennings' future, if he has one with the Knicks, is coming off the bench. His hustle and playmaking seem to compensate for his inconsistent jumper and questionable shots... at least to this point in the early season.
I have never been a big fan of the Jennings, but I can be won over by a guy who hustles and plays with intensity, so I've been pretty happy with his play for the most part.
Given the market...if he was to play like this, with a little better shooting, for the entire season, I would give him a 4yr/$40M type contract.
Shumpart gets that amount!!!
Im not one to make the market on these guys. Phil's vision is all good while everyone is healthy.
The bench has to continue its growth.
Continuity is great. I would not sign D Rose to a max contract. If he likes it here
4 years 68mm is fair
Jennings 3 years 27mm$
17mm per and 9 mm per is fair
BRIGGS wrote:Continuity is great. I would not sign D Rose to a max contract. If he likes it here4 years 68mm is fair
Jennings 3 years 27mm$
17mm per and 9 mm per is fair
I would not give him max either. If we assume the market is the same, i would give Rose 4 years at Noah money and Jennings 4 years at Lee money.
Both are seasonedvets that are showing they can run a team and read situations which is starting to show in the win column. I love the pace both bring, but they can also read the situation and control the game. Knicks are finally playing basketball and have good leadership. No reason not to bring both back if they want to be here and continue to contribute. We finally have the PG spot solidified, why not keep building on that instead of making changes again. At some point, youneed to keep the core together and we are showing signs of having that solidified
No way you sign Rose for more than 2 additional yrs, in fact that should be the case for both. If we win 47 to 54 games, you have to bring both back. I mean we just can't keep flipping that position every off season
BRIGGS wrote:Continuity is great. I would not sign D Rose to a max contract. If he likes it here4 years 68mm is fair
Jennings 3 years 27mm$
17mm per and 9 mm per is fair
those #s are 2 years old. Your boy Crabbe is making $18mm and you expect Jennings to take half that and Rose to take less? Those are slap in the face offers in this market.
knicks1248 wrote:No way you sign Rose for more than 2 additional yrs, in fact that should be the case for both. If we win 47 to 54 games, you have to bring both back. I mean we just can't keep flipping that position every off season
It's true. Continuity is more important than a possible minor upgrade. It has to be an obvious upgrade to make any sense not to bring both back.
crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:its a good question. The problem with Rose is if he doesnt have those mad hops and quickness he's a pretty bad basketball player.I think what we are seeing with Jennings is he can stink shooting the ball (2-6, 0-4 from downtown last night) but still be a high impact player. Rose however needs to score, something he is very good at.
There is a money crunch also... based on last year's market Jennings is playing himself into a big payday. When guys like Turner and Crabbe are getting $15-$18mm what is Jennings worth? I think his current contract means we cant keep both.
The nice thing about having them under contract is that we can go over the cap to keep them. I'd be in favor of keeping both on reasonable contracts - but it's very early. Let's see how they hold up over a full season. Time will tell.
This season to me is about enjoying what we have. It might be Melo's last really good season. It reminds me of the 2012-3 season where it was pretty obvious it was a one season run. Maybe it can be two. Maybe DRose learns how to be a great point guard without needing to dunk. His quickness is still there, as is his bball skill.
I'm just in the wait and see camp. I could see a scenario where we make the ECF and I could see a scenario where we get bounced in the first round. Just enjoy the ride.
I dont believe that is the case at all... Jennings has no bird rights. He's a 1 year rental. If we resign him it means using cap space which means renouncing Rose. This is what makes this a tough decision. If we make a FA splash its because we dont bring back Rose OR Jennings.
fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:its a good question. The problem with Rose is if he doesnt have those mad hops and quickness he's a pretty bad basketball player.I think what we are seeing with Jennings is he can stink shooting the ball (2-6, 0-4 from downtown last night) but still be a high impact player. Rose however needs to score, something he is very good at.
There is a money crunch also... based on last year's market Jennings is playing himself into a big payday. When guys like Turner and Crabbe are getting $15-$18mm what is Jennings worth? I think his current contract means we cant keep both.
The nice thing about having them under contract is that we can go over the cap to keep them. I'd be in favor of keeping both on reasonable contracts - but it's very early. Let's see how they hold up over a full season. Time will tell.
This season to me is about enjoying what we have. It might be Melo's last really good season. It reminds me of the 2012-3 season where it was pretty obvious it was a one season run. Maybe it can be two. Maybe DRose learns how to be a great point guard without needing to dunk. His quickness is still there, as is his bball skill.
I'm just in the wait and see camp. I could see a scenario where we make the ECF and I could see a scenario where we get bounced in the first round. Just enjoy the ride.
I dont believe that is the case at all... Jennings has no bird rights. He's a 1 year rental. If we resign him it means using cap space which means renouncing Rose. This is what makes this a tough decision. If we make a FA splash its because we dont bring back Rose OR Jennings.
Yeah the cap is going up so we will have no problem bringing both back if we chose, but we won't be able to sign another big free agent if we do.
