Not really trying to stir up any sh** but just wanted to point out that during the endless debate about whose team this is & page after page of "Melo should just hand the reigns to KP already" threads, there never seems to be any conscious critique of KP's faults or bad games, and isn't that what being the Alpha dog is all about? I mean you get all the glory when you win but (especially in this media circus town) you also get blamed when the team loses or almost chokes away a big lead and loses. All that to say, I saw absolutely no mention of Porzingod going 2-12 in the game thread last night and if the opposite was true there would be fans with their digital pitchforks screaming "Bring back Wilson Chandler!!!" Why is that???
Forgot to add - That I personally believe that good teams have more than one leader and that at the end of the day you win & lose as a TEAM but was really just wondering about the inequity in how the two players are perceived by the media & even our own fan base.
Its easy. Knicks havent had a legit homegrown franchise player since Ewing. Lots of fans werent even born when he was playing. KP is the next big thing, he's young, Melo (in PT) is old, out with the old, in with the new, etc...
It doesnt help that Melo has spent the last few years battling serious injuries, his stats in the 4th as far as hitting the game winning shot have been poor, but they seem better lately. Don't know how accurate that is.
Im not suggesting this is entirely fair, but its normal for a fan to want to see a potential superstar take control of the team sooner rather than later considering how bad this team has been for so long.
KP has shown that he isnt physically ready yet to be the team's closer, night in and night out. Melo still can be. Its not like KP's passing out from exhaustion, but his legs too often this season aren't there in the 4th when he needs them. At the same time KP should get featured often, wether or not someone wants to call it his team or not.
Melo has mostly done the right thing here with KP. Melo was the first one saying that he would take the pressure off of KP and he's able to handle the pressure and criticism. Melo has done just that. He's taken the boos in stride. Not commented on the calls to make KP THE MAN. He's been a good leader the last 2 years!!!
GustavBahler wrote:Its easy. Knicks havent had a legit homegrown franchise player since Ewing. Lots of fans werent even born when he was playing. KP is the next big thing, he's young, Melo (in PT) is old, out with the old, in with the new, etc...
It's like the Back-Up QB phenomena in football, "BOOOOO #12 Sucks!!!! Put the rookie we drafted in the 3rd round in..." 
ActionJackson wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Its easy. Knicks havent had a legit homegrown franchise player since Ewing. Lots of fans werent even born when he was playing. KP is the next big thing, he's young, Melo (in PT) is old, out with the old, in with the new, etc...
It's like the Back-Up QB phenomena in football, "BOOOOO #12 Sucks!!!! Put the rookie we drafted in the 3rd round in..."
Thats a big stretch. KP was our highest pick in decades, he was runner up for ROY. He put up numbers as a rookie that are NBA records. This is no scrub waiting on the sidelines, holding a clipboard.
GustavBahler wrote:ActionJackson wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Its easy. Knicks havent had a legit homegrown franchise player since Ewing. Lots of fans werent even born when he was playing. KP is the next big thing, he's young, Melo (in PT) is old, out with the old, in with the new, etc...
It's like the Back-Up QB phenomena in football, "BOOOOO #12 Sucks!!!! Put the rookie we drafted in the 3rd round in..."
Thats a big stretch. KP was our highest pick in decades, he was runner up for ROY. He put up numbers as a rookie that are NBA records. This is no scrub waiting on the sidelines, holding a clipboard.
True indeed but the emotion of the fanbase in always wanting to root for the other guy is similar.
That's why KP gives Melo all the credit. Melo is taking all the pressure off KP to succeed...
But his days are coming. As sin as Melo slows down the spotlight shines on KP
EnySpree wrote:That's why KP gives Melo all the credit. Melo is taking all the pressure off KP to succeed...But his days are coming. As sin as Melo slows down the spotlight shines on KP
Melo has been nothing but a class act when dealing with this issue. He genuinely likes playing with KP and sharing the spotlight with him. He also understands the criticism he will naturally receive that KP won't. We couldn't ask for a better star player to transition away from. But they should share the spotlight for a couple more years still.
ActionJackson wrote:GustavBahler wrote:ActionJackson wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Its easy. Knicks havent had a legit homegrown franchise player since Ewing. Lots of fans werent even born when he was playing. KP is the next big thing, he's young, Melo (in PT) is old, out with the old, in with the new, etc...
It's like the Back-Up QB phenomena in football, "BOOOOO #12 Sucks!!!! Put the rookie we drafted in the 3rd round in..."
Thats a big stretch. KP was our highest pick in decades, he was runner up for ROY. He put up numbers as a rookie that are NBA records. This is no scrub waiting on the sidelines, holding a clipboard.
True indeed but the emotion of the fanbase in always wanting to root for the other guy is similar.
You're comparing an unknown commodity, (a third round draft pick) who hasn't shown anything yet, with a player who has already shown what he can do. Its not just a few Knicks fans who are saying he is something special, Durant called him a "Unicorn" because he is so unique.
If KP had spent the bulk of his rookie season on the bench, hadnt proven anything yet, that would be different. The whole league sees his potential, not just a few Knick fans. Fans want the Porzingis era to start sooner rather than later. Understandable considering the team hasnt been relevant this century. Not a knock on Melo, but a knock on the way this franchise has been run.
it's Phil and hornaceks team
This is a media and fan created "controversy."
Players are chuckling when they read this stuff.
No issue...no hypocrisy.
ActionJackson wrote:Not really trying to stir up any sh** but just wanted to point out that during the endless debate about whose team this is & page after page of "Melo should just hand the reigns to KP already" threads, there never seems to be any conscious critique of KP's faults or bad games, and isn't that what being the Alpha dog is all about? I mean you get all the glory when you win but (especially in this media circus town) you also get blamed when the team loses or almost chokes away a big lead and loses. All that to say, I saw absolutely no mention of Porzingod going 2-12 in the game thread last night and if the opposite was true there would be fans with their digital pitchforks screaming "Bring back Wilson Chandler!!!" Why is that???
Porzingis limited his shooting, he didnt shoot 25 times when he didnt have it. Porzingis also plays within the offense he doesnt dribble the ball for 8 seconds, miss than cry to the refs. Melo is a ball stopper thats why he gets more crap
KP is a humble kidd from another country. He doesn't come off as a selfish player, which has been melos label for years. KP gives 100 effort on both ends, not just when he has the ball in his hands. This makes KP easy to root for and easy to forgive his bad shooting days, since he impacts the game is so many other areas.
Wait until he signs his max contract. At the moment Lance Thomas makes more then KP and is the 7th highest paid player on the team. 4.3mil for 20.8, 7.1, 1.6
Not much Knick love when Melo and Rose shines for sure...Oh well, I'm having fun...Can't wait for coach to figure out we need to play defense..
blkexec wrote:KP is a humble kidd from another country. He doesn't come off as a selfish player, which has been melos label for years. KP gives 100 effort on both ends, not just when he has the ball in his hands. This makes KP easy to root for and easy to forgive his bad shooting days, since he impacts the game is so many other areas.
I agree with your post. However he doesn't had many bad shooting games. he has been a pretty consistent 20 ppg player this year and he hasn't even reached the tip of the iceberg in terms of his potential. Like you said he does so many things even when he isn't scoring his usual amount of points. Look I have never disliked melo and I have learned to appreciate his good traits like being able to score in a variety of ways and rebounding. However at this point I do feel it is time to let our emerging superstar take the reigns and for melo to kinda slide into number 2 role. I actually think it is a good thing for melo and for us. he wont have that type of pressure anymore and it will give KP even more confidence
StarksEwing1 wrote:blkexec wrote:KP is a humble kidd from another country. He doesn't come off as a selfish player, which has been melos label for years. KP gives 100 effort on both ends, not just when he has the ball in his hands. This makes KP easy to root for and easy to forgive his bad shooting days, since he impacts the game is so many other areas.
I agree with your post. However he doesn't had many bad shooting games. he has been a pretty consistent 20 ppg player this year and he hasn't even reached the tip of the iceberg in terms of his potential. Like you said he does so many things even when he isn't scoring his usual amount of points. Look I have never disliked melo and I have learned to appreciate his good traits like being able to score in a variety of ways and rebounding. However at this point I do feel it is time to let our emerging superstar take the reigns and for melo to kinda slide into number 2 role. I actually think it is a good thing for melo and for us. he wont have that type of pressure anymore and it will give KP even more confidence
WOW...Hope you have a fire extinguisher handy, you pants are about to explode...
holfresh wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:blkexec wrote:KP is a humble kidd from another country. He doesn't come off as a selfish player, which has been melos label for years. KP gives 100 effort on both ends, not just when he has the ball in his hands. This makes KP easy to root for and easy to forgive his bad shooting days, since he impacts the game is so many other areas.
I agree with your post. However he doesn't had many bad shooting games. he has been a pretty consistent 20 ppg player this year and he hasn't even reached the tip of the iceberg in terms of his potential. Like you said he does so many things even when he isn't scoring his usual amount of points. Look I have never disliked melo and I have learned to appreciate his good traits like being able to score in a variety of ways and rebounding. However at this point I do feel it is time to let our emerging superstar take the reigns and for melo to kinda slide into number 2 role. I actually think it is a good thing for melo and for us. he wont have that type of pressure anymore and it will give KP even more confidence
WOW...Hope you have a fire extinguisher handy, you pants are about to explode...
Come on holfresh why does everything have to be a issue between us. I think you're a good dude and a great fan. Lets just enjoy the Knicks and hope the winning streak continues.
StarksEwing1 wrote:holfresh wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:blkexec wrote:KP is a humble kidd from another country. He doesn't come off as a selfish player, which has been melos label for years. KP gives 100 effort on both ends, not just when he has the ball in his hands. This makes KP easy to root for and easy to forgive his bad shooting days, since he impacts the game is so many other areas.
I agree with your post. However he doesn't had many bad shooting games. he has been a pretty consistent 20 ppg player this year and he hasn't even reached the tip of the iceberg in terms of his potential. Like you said he does so many things even when he isn't scoring his usual amount of points. Look I have never disliked melo and I have learned to appreciate his good traits like being able to score in a variety of ways and rebounding. However at this point I do feel it is time to let our emerging superstar take the reigns and for melo to kinda slide into number 2 role. I actually think it is a good thing for melo and for us. he wont have that type of pressure anymore and it will give KP even more confidence
WOW...Hope you have a fire extinguisher handy, you pants are about to explode...
Come on holfresh why does everything have to be a issue between us. I think you're a good due and a great fan. Lets just enjoy the Knicks and hope the winning streak continues.
holfresh wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:holfresh wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:blkexec wrote:KP is a humble kidd from another country. He doesn't come off as a selfish player, which has been melos label for years. KP gives 100 effort on both ends, not just when he has the ball in his hands. This makes KP easy to root for and easy to forgive his bad shooting days, since he impacts the game is so many other areas.
I agree with your post. However he doesn't had many bad shooting games. he has been a pretty consistent 20 ppg player this year and he hasn't even reached the tip of the iceberg in terms of his potential. Like you said he does so many things even when he isn't scoring his usual amount of points. Look I have never disliked melo and I have learned to appreciate his good traits like being able to score in a variety of ways and rebounding. However at this point I do feel it is time to let our emerging superstar take the reigns and for melo to kinda slide into number 2 role. I actually think it is a good thing for melo and for us. he wont have that type of pressure anymore and it will give KP even more confidence
WOW...Hope you have a fire extinguisher handy, you pants are about to explode...
Come on holfresh why does everything have to be a issue between us. I think you're a good due and a great fan. Lets just enjoy the Knicks and hope the winning streak continues.
So does that mean we're cool ?
