Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
We just don't know exactly what is going on. He wouldn't be the first guy to get taken down by a bad back. I just hope it's not a lingering thing that does require surgery. It's very possible that resting and allowing his aggravated nerves to calm down would do the trick. Surgery is a last resort and it may be that it's not even close to needed at this point. We have to wait and see what the docs say. They did look at it and said it wasn't serious.
I think in this case it might've been the fall he had that aggravated his back. Only time will tell, but I hope for the best cuz a healthy Rose is really good for this team.
no other pgs out there except randle?
Vmart wrote:Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
You are definitely jumping the gun a bit. He looked great against LA. For now it is a pain management issue that will probably come and go. Typically rest solves those things, but it is way too early to jump to conclusions.
nixluva wrote:We just don't know exactly what is going on. He wouldn't be the first guy to get taken down by a bad back. I just hope it's not a lingering thing that does require surgery. It's very possible that resting and allowing his aggravated nerves to calm down would do the trick. Surgery is a last resort and it may be that it's not even close to needed at this point. We have to wait and see what the docs say. They did look at it and said it wasn't serious.I think in this case it might've been the fall he had that aggravated his back. Only time will tell, but I hope for the best cuz a healthy Rose is really good for this team.
It's not a good sign when cleared and then having it come back. There is a nerve that is being pinched causing the spasms.
Knixkik wrote:Vmart wrote:Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
You are definitely jumping the gun a bit. He looked great against LA. For now it is a pain management issue that will probably come and go. Typically rest solves those things, but it is way too early to jump to conclusions.
I might be jumping the gun. I think he is going out for a month or two.
Vmart wrote:Knixkik wrote:Vmart wrote:Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
You are definitely jumping the gun a bit. He looked great against LA. For now it is a pain management issue that will probably come and go. Typically rest solves those things, but it is way too early to jump to conclusions.
I might be jumping the gun. I think he is going out for a month or two.
what info are you working with? Have you ever had back spasms? Did you see Rose hit every shot when he came back? Did it look like it lingered? I didnt have many back spasms when I played baseball but I had a couple. I got hit with them on Saturday playing in a tourney. I couldnt bend over to pick up a bat much less swing one. Next day I got loose enough to pitch 14 innings and I was good at the plate.
Back spasms could be the symptoms of what ends his career. MUCH more often its nothing. It could be he's a bit dehydrated or something equally non serious.
Out for months? Where is that coming from?
Rose has to strengthen his core, allow it to carry more of the load. Had to go through this with my back injuries playing ball. Cold therapy, and rest is also important.
The good news is that Rose has a one year deal. It could be just a temporary problem, but I hope it gives Phil pause, makes him think long and hard about giving Rose a max deal.
I would try to sell Rose on a non-max deal to help faciliate adding one more star. I know he wants to get paid, but winning a ring is also a great selling point. Knicks need all the firepower they can get to make the most of Melo's last years.
We had a great frontline in KP/Lopez, a decision was made to get older, less healthy. Would like to see Phil try to add more firepower, or getting Rose and Noah will be an unecessary diversion IMO. Go all in, or go with KP, younger players, and the rooks.
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:Knixkik wrote:Vmart wrote:Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
You are definitely jumping the gun a bit. He looked great against LA. For now it is a pain management issue that will probably come and go. Typically rest solves those things, but it is way too early to jump to conclusions.
I might be jumping the gun. I think he is going out for a month or two.
what info are you working with? Have you ever had back spasms? Did you see Rose hit every shot when he came back? Did it look like it lingered? I didnt have many back spasms when I played baseball but I had a couple. I got hit with them on Saturday playing in a tourney. I couldnt bend over to pick up a bat much less swing one. Next day I got loose enough to pitch 14 innings and I was good at the plate. Back spasms could be the symptoms of what ends his career. MUCH more often its nothing. It could be he's a bit dehydrated or something equally non serious.
Out for months? Where is that coming from?
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I'm guessing he came back to soon. Might have gotten some kind of "quick fix" treatment to play against the Lakers.
If its really just back spasms, I'm guessing he would be out for about a week. Maybe be back for the Magic game, Christmas game against the Celtics at the latest.
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:Knixkik wrote:Vmart wrote:Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
You are definitely jumping the gun a bit. He looked great against LA. For now it is a pain management issue that will probably come and go. Typically rest solves those things, but it is way too early to jump to conclusions.
I might be jumping the gun. I think he is going out for a month or two.
what info are you working with? Have you ever had back spasms? Did you see Rose hit every shot when he came back? Did it look like it lingered? I didnt have many back spasms when I played baseball but I had a couple. I got hit with them on Saturday playing in a tourney. I couldnt bend over to pick up a bat much less swing one. Next day I got loose enough to pitch 14 innings and I was good at the plate. Back spasms could be the symptoms of what ends his career. MUCH more often its nothing. It could be he's a bit dehydrated or something equally non serious.
Out for months? Where is that coming from?
That's the first thing they do is hydrate and make sure the electrolytes are in balance. Make sure he getting enough calcium and Vitamin D. There must be a nerve compression somewhere. Lets see what happens. Hope for the best. My feeling is a reoccurring injury in very little amount of time doesn't seem to promising.
Vmart wrote:Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
I just posted in another thread about how if anyone else besides me is a Mets fan on here then you know how serious back injuries can be and can become. The back is very tricky and even if it's just spasms now it can become much more than that and we don't even know yet if it is just spasms.
Once a nerve is inflamed it takes a while to get it back to normal. I think he needs rest and decompression therapy. Eventually he may even get a shot but we're a long way from anything more serious than that being done.
dacash wrote:no other pgs out there except randle?
Norris Cole is out there. Jarrett Jack. Chalmers (although probably not ready yet). As Briggs has mentioned young Isaiah Taylor has been terrific in the D League for Rio Grands Valley. Chasson Randle hasn't been very good yet.
I expected rose to miss about 15 games thru the season. Just my expectation. This is why Jennings also came as he would get plenty of burn.
I suppose its time for some one of the yoots to step up!
Y'all know lots of things about Roses back.
I think its a genetic disorder from his maternal grandmothers side that comes from a small alergic reaction to peanuts and latex.
THat happened to me, and IM a Met fan!!!!
And I was thinking that with his play so far, you had to try to lock him up with an extension before he hits FA. Too bad Phil wasn't able to change our medical staff when he came in. Don't trust them.
reub wrote:dacash wrote:no other pgs out there except randle?
Norris Cole is out there. Jarrett Jack. Chalmers (although probably not ready yet). As Briggs has mentioned young Isaiah Taylor has been terrific in the D League for Rio Grands Valley. Chasson Randle hasn't been very good yet.
God, anyone, but not Jarrett Jack; every Knick killer that comes here ends up suhucking major donkey kong.
See the comments on Chasson Randle's D-league defense in other threads. Pass. We don't need a Jimmer with no shot.
franco12 wrote:And I was thinking that with his play so far, you had to try to lock him up with an extension before he hits FA. Too bad Phil wasn't able to change our medical staff when he came in. Don't trust them.
Actually Phil ADDED to the staff and the Knicks have been one of the better teams in terms of dealing with injury. Don't get stuck in the past and cliches when it comes to this.
The Knicks clearly feel comfortable with their ability to manage injuries, and perhaps that's reasonable. Because of bad management and bad luck, New York's been famously lame for like a decade. But not last year:There are your Knicks, solidly in the bottom half of the league in man-games lost to injury.
A great deal of that is luck. No amount of procedural caution will save a player from getting his shin sat on, and with one exception, New York was very fortunate in the freak-accident department. They also didn't have Amar'e Stoudemire and Andrea Bargnani on the team anymore. That helps.
But if I may apply causation to correlation here, I reckon New York's new-ish training staff had something to do with that chart up there. Phil Jackson shifted and added some personnel (junior, not the doctors) before the 2015-2016 season, and the organization's habits seemed to change in step. We saw way fewer vague post-game injury reports, way more sudden rest days and players annoyed with the trainers. Annoying players is a good thing! Constant appraisal of "healthy" players' statuses isn't new, but the doctors' level of influence -- a coaching staff basically beholden to their recommendations -- felt unprecedented for the Knicks. And -- again, thanks in part to luck -- it paid off:
Every regular starter played over 70 games. That includes Carmelo Anthony, whose knee was regenerating after surgery. That includes a spindly rookie who took some terrifying falls and got shut down for the last 7 meaningless games. That includes a full 82 for Robin Lopez and 71/72 for Arron Afflalo and Jose Calderon, though they looked sore all season. Unless Lance Thomas is getting the J.R. Smith sign-then-knife special, it appears the Knicks shelved Lance and his chronic knee issue early enough to avoid the need for surgery. I'd rate Thomas as the only rotation Knick to suffer a significant injury absence this season.
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Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:Knixkik wrote:Vmart wrote:Back problems are no joke. When does he go for surgery? The Knicks get plagued with back injuries more than any team I can think of. Gallo, Amare and now Rose. With that said this team probably hovers around 500 for rest of the season. Time to think about putting Rose on IR and call up Randle.
You are definitely jumping the gun a bit. He looked great against LA. For now it is a pain management issue that will probably come and go. Typically rest solves those things, but it is way too early to jump to conclusions.
I might be jumping the gun. I think he is going out for a month or two.
what info are you working with? Have you ever had back spasms? Did you see Rose hit every shot when he came back? Did it look like it lingered? I didnt have many back spasms when I played baseball but I had a couple. I got hit with them on Saturday playing in a tourney. I couldnt bend over to pick up a bat much less swing one. Next day I got loose enough to pitch 14 innings and I was good at the plate. Back spasms could be the symptoms of what ends his career. MUCH more often its nothing. It could be he's a bit dehydrated or something equally non serious.
Out for months? Where is that coming from?
That's the first thing they do is hydrate and make sure the electrolytes are in balance. Make sure he getting enough calcium and Vitamin D. There must be a nerve compression somewhere. Lets see what happens. Hope for the best. My feeling is a reoccurring injury in very little amount of time doesn't seem to promising.
again... please feel free to share your info? How must it be that? Does Rose have a history of back ailments? Im not trying to jump on you but "your feeling" is a whole lotta doom and gloom if you are working with the same info the rest of us are.
I can tell you its NOT a compressed nerve because that inflammation would have shown in the MRI he had last week (which was reported as negative). Unless the Knicks are lying and you have info... 
Reported that knicks spend an extra nite in Los Angeles and Rose had a party and there were girls with toys.
Not all toys were accounted for.
Now they are.
Derrick should feel better soon.
I'm more concerned about the Knicks training staff. Phoenix has the rep for having one of the best. The Knicks? Probably not so much. I would have more confidence if the Suns trainers were handling this.
Welpee wrote:I'm more concerned about the Knicks training staff. Phoenix has the rep for having one of the best. The Knicks? Probably not so much. I would have more confidence if the Suns trainers were handling this.
That chart shows PHX at no. 23 on the health spectrum last year.
They fired their coach thinking it a fix. Now he is ours.
PHX not the same team that once put humpty dumpty back together again.
