If I recall correctly, Noah played a significant role in recruiting Courtney Lee. Seems like we won't be blessed with an amnesty, but keep all factors in mind when you look at the $$$.
This is true. If the Knicks didn't get Noah, they could have still got Lee, although they would have had to offer him more money most likely. He got an offer from Philly if i remember correctly which was more than what he signed in NY. I'm sure without Noah recruiting him, we would have had to offer him in the 15 mil per year instead of 12 for him to consider. All speculation though.
in a way....the trade was:
RoPez and Grant for Noah, Rose, Holiday and CLee.
Noah don't come without Rose.
Im holding out hope and rooting for Noah to get healthy and perform.
IM a fan, what else is there to do? Get angry and lay blame?
Nalod wrote:in a way....the trade was:RoPez and Grant for Noah, Rose, Holiday and CLee.
Noah don't come without Rose.
Im holding out hope and rooting for Noah to get healthy and perform.
IM a fan, what else is there to do? Get angry and lay blame?
Blame must always be identified
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:in a way....the trade was:RoPez and Grant for Noah, Rose, Holiday and CLee.
Noah don't come without Rose.
Im holding out hope and rooting for Noah to get healthy and perform.
IM a fan, what else is there to do? Get angry and lay blame?
Blame must always be identified
I must correct you: Blame is not identified, it is ASSIGNED!
It's a sucky deal, but not the end of the world. Chemistry building counts for something too
Nalod wrote:in a way....the trade was:RoPez and Grant for Noah, Rose, Holiday and CLee.
Noah don't come without Rose.
Im holding out hope and rooting for Noah to get healthy and perform.
IM a fan, what else is there to do? Get angry and lay blame?
IMO, R.Perez was ALMOST has bad as Noah offensively so, thats a wash in my eyes. Rose was a much needed upgrade and I'm loving Holiday the more I see him. Great off the bench player.
Having Wade would have been great but that wouldn't have fixed our PG problem.
Nalod wrote:in a way....the trade was:RoPez and Grant for Noah, Rose, Holiday and CLee.
Noah don't come without Rose.
Im holding out hope and rooting for Noah to get healthy and perform.
IM a fan, what else is there to do? Get angry and lay blame?
And a while lotta cap space.
Nalod wrote:in a way....the trade was:RoPez and Grant for Noah, Rose, Holiday and CLee.
Noah don't come without Rose.
Im holding out hope and rooting for Noah to get healthy and perform.
IM a fan, what else is there to do? Get angry and lay blame?
Jerian Grant
DNP - COACH'S DECISION
Noah is looking worse and Worse. SAD.
yellowboy90 wrote:Noah is looking worse and Worse. SAD.
Man, feels like a trump tweet
Swishfm3 wrote:Nalod wrote:in a way....the trade was:RoPez and Grant for Noah, Rose, Holiday and CLee.
Noah don't come without Rose.
Im holding out hope and rooting for Noah to get healthy and perform.
IM a fan, what else is there to do? Get angry and lay blame?
IMO, R.Perez was ALMOST has bad as Noah offensively so, thats a wash in my eyes. Rose was a much needed upgrade and I'm loving Holiday the more I see him. Great off the bench player.
Having Wade would have been great but that wouldn't have fixed our PG problem.
Are you talking about prime Noah and 2016 Noah? Lopez is much better offensively than the current version of Noah, at least so far.
I think there is still hope for Noah to be a good player for years if he remodels his game like Camby did- Camby had a few really rough injury years and then became a really useful player with less minutes -- and about 5 really healthy years for the nuggets -- playing 30+ minutes That's the hope at least....
Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1996–97 Toronto 63 38 30.1 .482 .143 .693 6.3 1.5 1.0 2.1 14.8
1997–98 Toronto 63 58 31.8 .412 .000 .611 7.4 1.8 1.1 3.7 12.1
1998–99 New York 46 0 20.5 .521 .000 .553 5.5 .3 .6 1.6 7.2
1999–00 New York 59 11 26.2 .480 .500 .670 7.8 .8 .7 2.0 10.2
2000–01 New York 63 63 33.8 .524 .125 .667 11.5 .8 1.0 2.2 12.0
2001–02 New York 29 29 34.7 .448 .000 .626 11.1 1.1 1.2 1.7 11.1
2002–03 Denver 29 9 21.2 .410 .400 .660 7.2 1.6 .7 1.4 7.6
2003–04 Denver 72 72 30.0 .477 .000 .721 10.1 1.8 1.2 2.6 8.6
2004–05 Denver 66 66 30.5 .465 .000 .723 10.0 2.3 .9 3.0 10.3
2005–06 Denver 56 54 33.2 .465 .091 .712 11.9 2.1 1.4 3.3 12.8
2006–07 Denver 70 70 33.8 .473 .000 .729 11.7 3.2 1.2 3.3 11.2
2007–08 Denver 79 79 34.9 .450 .300 .708 13.1 3.3 1.1 3.6 9.1
2008–09 L.A. Clippers 62 55 31.0 .512 .250 .725 11.1 2.0 .8 2.1 10.3
2009–10 L.A. Clippers 51 51 31.3 .466 .333 .659 12.1 3.0 1.4 1.9 7.7
2009–10 Portland 23 23 31.2 .497 .000 .581 11.1 1.5 1.1 2.0 7.0
2010–11 Portland 59 51 26.1 .398 .000 .614 10.3 2.1 .7 1.6 4.7
2011–12 Portland 40 40 22.4 .416 .000 .474 8.8 1.9 .8 1.4 3.8
2011–12 Houston 19 13 24.1 .484 .400 .423 9.3 1.7 .9 1.5 7.1
2012–13 New York 24 4 10.4 .321 .000 .421 3.3 .6 .3 .6 1.8
Career 973 786 29.5 .466 .205 .670 9.8 1.9 1.0 2.4 9.5
Playoffs[edit]
93BUICK wrote:I think there is still hope for Noah to be a good player for years if he remodels his game like Camby did- Camby had a few really rough injury years and then became a really useful player with less minutes -- and about 5 really healthy years for the nuggets -- playing 30+ minutes That's the hope at least....Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1996–97 Toronto 63 38 30.1 .482 .143 .693 6.3 1.5 1.0 2.1 14.8
1997–98 Toronto 63 58 31.8 .412 .000 .611 7.4 1.8 1.1 3.7 12.1
1998–99 New York 46 0 20.5 .521 .000 .553 5.5 .3 .6 1.6 7.2
1999–00 New York 59 11 26.2 .480 .500 .670 7.8 .8 .7 2.0 10.2
2000–01 New York 63 63 33.8 .524 .125 .667 11.5 .8 1.0 2.2 12.0
2001–02 New York 29 29 34.7 .448 .000 .626 11.1 1.1 1.2 1.7 11.1
2002–03 Denver 29 9 21.2 .410 .400 .660 7.2 1.6 .7 1.4 7.6
2003–04 Denver 72 72 30.0 .477 .000 .721 10.1 1.8 1.2 2.6 8.6
2004–05 Denver 66 66 30.5 .465 .000 .723 10.0 2.3 .9 3.0 10.3
2005–06 Denver 56 54 33.2 .465 .091 .712 11.9 2.1 1.4 3.3 12.8
2006–07 Denver 70 70 33.8 .473 .000 .729 11.7 3.2 1.2 3.3 11.2
2007–08 Denver 79 79 34.9 .450 .300 .708 13.1 3.3 1.1 3.6 9.1
2008–09 L.A. Clippers 62 55 31.0 .512 .250 .725 11.1 2.0 .8 2.1 10.3
2009–10 L.A. Clippers 51 51 31.3 .466 .333 .659 12.1 3.0 1.4 1.9 7.7
2009–10 Portland 23 23 31.2 .497 .000 .581 11.1 1.5 1.1 2.0 7.0
2010–11 Portland 59 51 26.1 .398 .000 .614 10.3 2.1 .7 1.6 4.7
2011–12 Portland 40 40 22.4 .416 .000 .474 8.8 1.9 .8 1.4 3.8
2011–12 Houston 19 13 24.1 .484 .400 .423 9.3 1.7 .9 1.5 7.1
2012–13 New York 24 4 10.4 .321 .000 .421 3.3 .6 .3 .6 1.8
Career 973 786 29.5 .466 .205 .670 9.8 1.9 1.0 2.4 9.5
Playoffs[edit]
i was so frickin pissed when we traded Camby I loved him. If Noah could just give us 20 productive minutes a night I would be thrilled. He is a huge waste of money though. He is really a 12 million dollar player in this cap structure. I would love to get that money back and give it to an athletic swing player
I like Noah just fine. But I will be very curious to see if there's a new amnesty clause in the new CBA. There's been one in the last two CBAs, I believe.
Lee is a nice player, but we have a 30+ year guard a 5 year deal. Let's not act like it offsets a guy making 19 and 20MM in the final two years of his deal. Noah will likely not be playing or averaging above 5pts and 5rbs.
Noah might be overpaid but KP, Holiday, Willy, Kuz, Baker, O'Quinn and even Jennings are all underpaid so it more than evens out.
MS wrote:Lee is a nice player, but we have a 30+ year guard a 5 year deal. Let's not act like it offsets a guy making 19 and 20MM in the final two years of his deal. Noah will likely not be playing or averaging above 5pts and 5rbs.
CLee has a 4yr deal.
And let's not discount how important Noah was in helping Rose, who had never played outside his home town in Chicago and is by all accounts a quiet and sensitive dude, adapt to NY and feel comfortable here. It's pretty obvious Rose feels pretty comfortable here pretty fast.
No way around it we got jobbed on Noah. All of this rah rah bench stuff. Jab all McGee looked 5 x better. He just did. Noah can look ok at times and other he looks like one of the old Knicks big bench guys they used. He's the new herb williams although herb could shoot and made 17 less. With a starting line up of Noah kp and melo were to slow against some of these teams and it's not going to get Better
BRIGGS wrote:No way around it we got jobbed on Noah. All of this rah rah bench stuff. Jab all McGee looked 5 x better. He just did. Noah can look ok at times and other he looks like one of the old Knicks big bench guys they used. He's the new herb williams although herb could shoot and made 17 less. With a starting line up of Noah kp and melo were to slow against some of these teams and it's not going to get Better
YUP.
Noah's value is if he can pass, set screens and board. Problem with our teams starting 5 is we don't have great off the ball cutters. Melo is a 1 on 1 scorer. Rose is a driver. KP can cut but he's so big he takes up so much space. So KP is best off outside with the starters or posting up on a mismatch. Lee can cut but is not a great finisher at the rim he is much better as a shooter. Where Noah would thrive more is in a more open court free offense with Jennings, Holiday, Kuz, and Thomas. They can just move the ball fast and cut more. Take more 3 pointers play a pace and space offense.
I would switch Billy and Noah or OQuinn and Noah in the rotation and see how it goes.
For sure I'm very disappointed with what we have gotten so far from Noah. However we could be using him
better if we play him with smaller quicker lineups.
