Knicks · Pull the plug on this roster (page 3)

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks67 wrote:The team looks better without Melo, and I can almost guarantee I'm gonna get the "Knicks are 0-13 without him", but we finally have a crew that can contend with the Hawks and Rockets and take it to the brink without him. His lack of effort on D seems to influence others as we have at least looked better on D when Melo sits. The prospect of moving Melo to a contender like the Celtics where he would be happy, in return for Jaylen Brown and a Nets pick (or something of that nature) is seriously tempting. If he's the second option there to Thomas I guarantee he will excel taking his shots just in a limited sense, and we get youth and a pick to move forward with for Kp. Just my thoughts though

0-14. But I like watching the Nets because of the effort they put out. The Knicks don't win without Melo and he has a no trade clause. Can we focus on things that would help the KNicks win more and that might happen?

There is nothing that can help Knicks to win in next 2 year unless Melo will move on.

Can you explain why they haven't won the last 14 times he hasn't played? Are you looking at the value they would get if he waived his ntc clause? If so can you explain why he would waive his ntc?

Had to quote this one to catch you in your nonsense. The last 14 games goes back to BEFORE Porzingis was drafted. Melo missed 10 games last year and 1 this year for a total of 11.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks67 wrote:The team looks better without Melo, and I can almost guarantee I'm gonna get the "Knicks are 0-13 without him", but we finally have a crew that can contend with the Hawks and Rockets and take it to the brink without him. His lack of effort on D seems to influence others as we have at least looked better on D when Melo sits. The prospect of moving Melo to a contender like the Celtics where he would be happy, in return for Jaylen Brown and a Nets pick (or something of that nature) is seriously tempting. If he's the second option there to Thomas I guarantee he will excel taking his shots just in a limited sense, and we get youth and a pick to move forward with for Kp. Just my thoughts though

0-14. But I like watching the Nets because of the effort they put out. The Knicks don't win without Melo and he has a no trade clause. Can we focus on things that would help the KNicks win more and that might happen?

There is nothing that can help Knicks to win in next 2 year unless Melo will move on.

Can you explain why they haven't won the last 14 times he hasn't played? Are you looking at the value they would get if he waived his ntc clause? If so can you explain why he would waive his ntc?

Had to quote this one to catch you in your nonsense. The last 14 games goes back to BEFORE Porzingis was drafted. Melo missed 10 games last year and 1 this year for a total of 11.

0-11 when he doesn't step on the court. 0-14 when he plays but is kicked out or hurt. The team doesn't win when he doesn't play. Not nonsense. You were right but your approach sucks.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks67 wrote:The team looks better without Melo, and I can almost guarantee I'm gonna get the "Knicks are 0-13 without him", but we finally have a crew that can contend with the Hawks and Rockets and take it to the brink without him. His lack of effort on D seems to influence others as we have at least looked better on D when Melo sits. The prospect of moving Melo to a contender like the Celtics where he would be happy, in return for Jaylen Brown and a Nets pick (or something of that nature) is seriously tempting. If he's the second option there to Thomas I guarantee he will excel taking his shots just in a limited sense, and we get youth and a pick to move forward with for Kp. Just my thoughts though

0-14. But I like watching the Nets because of the effort they put out. The Knicks don't win without Melo and he has a no trade clause. Can we focus on things that would help the KNicks win more and that might happen?

There is nothing that can help Knicks to win in next 2 year unless Melo will move on.

Can you explain why they haven't won the last 14 times he hasn't played? Are you looking at the value they would get if he waived his ntc clause? If so can you explain why he would waive his ntc?

Had to quote this one to catch you in your nonsense. The last 14 games goes back to BEFORE Porzingis was drafted. Melo missed 10 games last year and 1 this year for a total of 11.

0-11 when he doesn't step on the court. 0-14 when he plays but is kicked out or hurt. The team doesn't win when he doesn't play. Not nonsense. You were right but your approach sucks.

What's your point? No one is saying we should just waive him!

What a bunch of whining bitches. So the Clips fans should be talking the same shit. Anyone commenting on last night's loss as Armageddon should never post again. Three starters out and the geniuses on the board have input. GTFOH. Oh yeah and it's Melo's fault for losses when he is not playing and/or playing. And it's his fault we have a 7'3 guy that thinks he is a SG. And ofcourse it's his fault we have a starting center that averages more hacks per game than points. Does anyone here besides Crush, Fish and a couple others know anything about basketball? So get rid of our only down low presence we have? Or will Noah, or KP fill that void? And let's get rid of Rose cuz he doesn't pass enough. Maybe we can pick up Jose off waivers soon. He passes a lot!

Look this team is what it is. Very raw. Very new. Team still needing pieces (Center, 3pt shooter, bench scorer). Has a hall of fame 30 something post up scorer that is trying to fit in. An excellent second year player that still has a lot to learn. A super fast PG that is trying to get his game back and has shown great signs. And a couple of guys that are trying to find a place in the NBA. Nothing more, nothing less. So please let me know in advance if your one of the tight short wearing old men that want Bball to be full of guys doing chest passes or a kid under the age of 14 who thinks every player should be like LBJ, every team like the MJ Bulls and if not, they will whine like a 2 year old girl. Will save me the ignore hunt. All other non playing unrealistic trolls should just start watching the Warriors. Smmfh!

KP has flaws, but he is a unicorn, not a savior.
Max saviors are paid to star. Unicorn sophmores at age 21 have upside.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks67 wrote:The team looks better without Melo, and I can almost guarantee I'm gonna get the "Knicks are 0-13 without him", but we finally have a crew that can contend with the Hawks and Rockets and take it to the brink without him. His lack of effort on D seems to influence others as we have at least looked better on D when Melo sits. The prospect of moving Melo to a contender like the Celtics where he would be happy, in return for Jaylen Brown and a Nets pick (or something of that nature) is seriously tempting. If he's the second option there to Thomas I guarantee he will excel taking his shots just in a limited sense, and we get youth and a pick to move forward with for Kp. Just my thoughts though

0-14. But I like watching the Nets because of the effort they put out. The Knicks don't win without Melo and he has a no trade clause. Can we focus on things that would help the KNicks win more and that might happen?

There is nothing that can help Knicks to win in next 2 year unless Melo will move on.

Can you explain why they haven't won the last 14 times he hasn't played? Are you looking at the value they would get if he waived his ntc clause? If so can you explain why he would waive his ntc?

Had to quote this one to catch you in your nonsense. The last 14 games goes back to BEFORE Porzingis was drafted. Melo missed 10 games last year and 1 this year for a total of 11.

0-11 when he doesn't step on the court. 0-14 when he plays but is kicked out or hurt. The team doesn't win when he doesn't play. Not nonsense. You were right but your approach sucks.

What's your point? No one is saying we should just waive him!

I don't think the Knicks are doomed for the next two years because they have Anthony. That was the original post that I responded to. He isn't going to be traded and the Knicks don't win when he doesn't play. What are you saying Bonn? Are you saying trade him?
Akrud's post wasn't quoted which is what the original post quoted here was in response to . Akrud said the Knicks would not improve for the next to years with Anthony here. My post was in response to that.

Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

Melo is a great 1 on 1 player maybe one of the best in the history of the game but he is an ill fit in a team sense. No matter where you put him his a huge liability defensively. This thread is more about blowing up the entire roster outside of a few players. I've seen enough, Im sick of hearing about the learning curve this team is getting worse. Its a very lazy team that displays almost zero effort defensively. Thats not all on Melo either Kristaps is a very lazy defender as well. The difference is Kristaps salary makes him a fantastic piece to have Melo at 25 million not so much. I dont see a way of moving forward without getting assets back for some of these players. Its to bad we are stuck with Noah because that 18 million would of come in very handy to improve the team except we are stuck with a sloth for three more years. Is it worth giving up a first to get rid of Noah? If they hope to get better it may be the only way if your going to stick with this ill conceived roster. You have to get a real swing player in here.

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

Lance Stephenson is supposed to be ahead of schedule in his rehab and maybe back on the court as soon as mid January. If he is healthy and able to play he might be worth a look.

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

When you have an inefficient player making 25 mil, he certainly is a cause of your problems. He brings nothing on defense, and his offense actually hurts the ball club.

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

When you have an inefficient player making 25 mil, he certainly is a cause of your problems. He brings nothing on defense, and his offense actually hurts the ball club.

Im not oblivious to this perspective but with a no trade clause it becomes an inarguable concept to trade him.
"Cause of your problems", I'm not sure what that really means? We don't have a viable off the bench 3, nor is our team defense very good right now.
I suppose I resigned to the reality he is here.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

Lance Stephenson is supposed to be ahead of schedule in his rehab and maybe back on the court as soon as mid January. If he is healthy and able to play he might be worth a look.

How does his skill set, even when healthy fit or compliment our deficiencies?

This team has some winnable games ahead. They need to regroup and hopefully get KP, Melo and Lee back healthy! They all have nagging injuries and before them it was Rose. I believe they would've won some of these games with a healthy team but over a long season you're going to have guys get minor injuries.

Can't panic but I do think Phil should look to enhance the roster. Jeff has to try something else in terms of his rotations and lineups. Some of his decisions have not been good. It's tough with Lee being out and LT Hobbling on plantar fasciitis in both feet.

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

Lance Stephenson is supposed to be ahead of schedule in his rehab and maybe back on the court as soon as mid January. If he is healthy and able to play he might be worth a look.

How does his skill set, even when healthy fit or compliment our deficiencies?

If you are worried about Lance's character, being back in NY etc. I get that. But I am not sure why you would ask how a 2 way wing player's skill set would fit the Knicks. I don't know if picking him up would be the right move. I think the Knicks as a team are tight and fight for each other. But the knicks d is not good. Also, the team is made up of really high character guys. Lance isn't going to ruin the locker room. Lance is not a great perimeter shooter but everything else he brings would benefit the team. His health and his character are the only concerns but he is a league minimum guy at this point that might be available for a 10 day contract. Not a huge risk there if he is healthy.

Nalod wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

When you have an inefficient player making 25 mil, he certainly is a cause of your problems. He brings nothing on defense, and his offense actually hurts the ball club.

Im not oblivious to this perspective but with a no trade clause it becomes an inarguable concept to trade him.
"Cause of your problems", I'm not sure what that really means? We don't have a viable off the bench 3, nor is our team defense very good right now.
I suppose I resigned to the reality he is here.

If your not sure what it means, how can you state he isn't the cause of the problems...lol. He is though. The most tenured, and most expensive, and knows the team can't trade him unless he agrees is not giving the effort or production needed for the team to be successful. That is a major issue. Your stars should automatically be leaders, Melo has been in the league 13 years and no one really calls him a vet. That's ridiculous, but that is no ones problem but ours.

Nalod wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the answer, but he is not the cause of our problems.
Fact is, our bench is deep, but its not very good. Its not Awful, but it has a lot of inexperience.

When you have an inefficient player making 25 mil, he certainly is a cause of your problems. He brings nothing on defense, and his offense actually hurts the ball club.

Im not oblivious to this perspective but with a no trade clause it becomes an inarguable concept to trade him.
"Cause of your problems", I'm not sure what that really means? We don't have a viable off the bench 3, nor is our team defense very good right now.
I suppose I resigned to the reality he is here.

When 1/4 the total payroll is used on Melo, of course the team is going to have a lot of holes. At this point we can hope he'd be open to a trade but obviously we don't know.

The Knicks are in a no win scenario as long as Melo either sticks around or won't accept a trade. He's still stagnation ball. For every game he shoots 30+, he goes ISO and we lose. His shooting % is down every year the last four years and will only get worse. No defense and he's the team leader.
Il take a miksap in decline over Melo. Let Lee, Noah, Millsap, Jennings and KP play some D and if Thomas wants to play let he and Oquinn play D coming off the bench w Holiday. Rose is playing as well as expected but someone is allowing every shooting guard in the league to shoot 3s all day and it's got to stop. Hernan Gomez deserves some light too