Knicks · Hope Rose is okay - but if he just went AWOL, you have to trade him. (page 7)
JesseDark wrote:Seeing reports that he is suppose to return to the team today. Hope he went home to Chicago to get his jumper.
Thats going to be awkward - I'd be p'd if I were on the team
JesseDark wrote:Seeing reports that he is suppose to return to the team today. Hope he went home to Chicago to get his jumper.
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Now he's caused a major distraction. It's nobodies business what Rose is going through, but this made it everyone's business. The players and team have to answer for him. Us fans have to deal with it too. I know I'm getting texts from hater fans and getting attacked at work by the anti knick establishment.
The fallback should be an automatic one game suspension for conduct detrimental to the team. He would then need to square it with the team and the fans. Nothing more or less. Then we can squash this. If it happens again...🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
EnySpree wrote:Family issues happen.... but you have to call your job and let them know. If I had to take care of something dire, I could have another family member call my job for me. Rose has the resources to hire a publicist/agent to take care of these things. Someone should have called and then there would be no issue. The Knicks could have said Rose was handling a personal matter and it would be a non issue.Now he's caused a major distraction. It's nobodies business what Rose is going through, but this made it everyone's business. The players and team have to answer for him. Us fans have to deal with it too. I know I'm getting texts from hater fans and getting attacked at work by the anti knick establishment.
The fallback should be an automatic one game suspension for conduct detrimental to the team. He would then need to square it with the team and the fans. Nothing more or less. Then we can squash this. If it happens again...🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I agree with this but with one exception: he's been a distraction since he's been here. First it was the super team. Then the trial. Now this. I don't think he wants to be here at all and based on his actions I do think that he'll start calling his number more and more to get that money cash handlebars
Knicks are hostage to Rose--he has them by the balls. We stink but atleast he gives us more fighting chance. They will forget about this fast. This is sports--hes not a train conductor. Few people on Earth can do what Rose does.
crzymdups wrote:Cedric Ceballos did something like this 20+ years ago -http://www.si.com/vault/1996/04/01/21154...
ON SPRING BREAK CEDRIC CEBALLOS'S UNAUTHORIZED VACATION THREATENED TO DESTROY THE CHEMISTRY THAT HAD MADE THE LAKERS A CONTENDER SINCE MAGIC JOHNSON'S RETURN
By Phil Taylor
April 01, 1996
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APRIL 01, 1996
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ORIGINAL LAYOUT
THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS play so close to Hollywood that they'vesurely learned that any good drama requires conflict. It wasobvious, then, that the return of Magic Johnson to the Lakerswas going altogether too smoothly. Magic was whipping no-lookpasses, tossing in baby hook shots and flashing smiles brighterthan the marquee at any Tinseltown premiere, and L.A. waswinning. After a 94-71 dismantling of the Seattle SuperSonics onMarch 19, the Lakers stood at 17-5 since Johnson's comeback andwere quickly transforming themselves into one of the postseasonfavorites in the Western Conference. But as any of Los Angeles'scelebrity fans can tell you, this is where a plot twist iscalled for, a sudden change of mood accompanied by ominous musicin the background. Cedric Ceballos, this is your cue.Ceballos, the Lakers' starting small forward and leading scorer,put at least a temporary halt to the good feelings at the Forumby abruptly skipping out on L.A. after that win over the Sonics.When he missed a team flight to Seattle the next day, the Lakerssuspended him without pay, and no one in the organization hearddirectly from him until five days later, when he and his agent,Fred Slaughter, arrived at executive vice president Jerry West'sForum office Sunday afternoon, about three hours before L.A.'sgame against the Charlotte Hornets.
The disappearance was an astonishing display ofunprofessionalism, especially because Ceballos, 26, is a Lakersco-captain. By the time he was reinstated Monday, Ceballos hadmissed the flight to Seattle, two games (both losses), twopractices and a shootaround, costing him (given his $2.24million salary) $54,756 for the two games, plus $2,000 in finesfor missing the practices and the shootaround.
Moreover, when Ceballos did resurface, the plot furtherthickened. Having spent at least part of his time away from theteam with a male and two female companions (one of whom, saysSlaughter, was Ceballos's wife) at the London Bridge Resort inLake Havasu, Ariz., Ceballos explained at a Sunday pressconference at the Forum that he had been trying to resolve aserious family problem, the nature of which he chose not toreveal. However, he apparently had been able to stop wrestlingwith the crisis long enough to go waterskiing on the lake anddancing at Kokomo's, a local nightspot. Last Thursday night,around the time Ceballos's teammates were losing 104-93 inSeattle, Kokomo's patrons and employees saw him sipping abeverage and signing autographs. At the press conference he gaveno explanation for his failure to inform the Lakers of hiswhereabouts, other than to say, "That was a mistake I made.There was no reason for that at all. It was a bad situation, andI went about it the wrong way."
Ceballos insisted he did not leave in a huff over reducedplaying time since Johnson's return, despite evidence to thecontrary. At week's end he still led Los Angeles in minutes andshots per game, but Ceballos's key statistics had declinedslightly from the pre-Magic days--through Sunday, his averageminutes had dipped from 36.3 to 35, his shots from 16.9 to 14.6,and his scoring average from 23.4 to 22.4. Those who haveobserved the Lakers say that Ceballos's displeasure at beingremoved from games by coach Del Harris had been obviousrecently, especially in the week leading up to his departure. OnMarch 14 Ceballos had had his streak of scoring in doublefigures in consecutive games broken at 67, when he scored ninepoints and took only nine shots in 37 minutes in a 106-103victory over the Golden State Warriors. Then, in what seemedlike a protest, he hoisted 12 three-point shots, equaling acareer high (and making three), in the next night's game, a117-95 defeat of the Milwaukee Bucks. Next he had 18 points in38 minutes in a 98-97 loss to the Orlando Magic. But then camethe win over Seattle, when Johnson logged most of the time atsmall forward. Ceballos played only 12 minutes, his fewest inhis two seasons with the Lakers, took seven shots and scoredjust two points.
So when he steadfastly maintained at the press conference thathis departure was not at all basketball related--"Del's a niceguy and a good coach," Ceballos said; "I don't want to crush hisego, but he's not going to be the reason for my leavingbasketball"--there was the distinct feeling that Jack Nicholsonwas not the only actor in the Forum that evening. Publicly, atleast, West and Harris accepted Ceballos's explanation that hisabsence was the result only of family matters. "Cedric and Idiscussed some personal issues," West said. But it was tellingthat neither one of them appeared with Ceballos at the pressconference. West spoke to reporters after Ceballos had departed,and Harris did not attend the session.
Ceballos decided to leave the Forum after the press conferencewithout talking to any of his teammates but said he expectedthat they would forgive him once he apologized and explained histroubles to them. He might have been in for a rude surprise.Asked if he wanted to talk to Ceballos, point guard Nick VanExel, the Lakers' other co-captain, replied, "Not really. Heabandoned us.... If we want to do something [in the playoffs],we have to let it go, but it's going to be hard. He's a teamcaptain, and he just walks out. It's hard to get past that."And what of Magic? Despite Ceballos's insistence to thecontrary, it was Johnson's return from four years in retirement,after testing positive for HIV, that seemed to have triggeredhis unhappiness. Following Sunday's game against the Hornets, a103-94 loss in which Magic started and had 28 points, eightrebounds and five assists in 39 minutes, the 36-year-old Johnsonsat in front of his stall in the locker room, shaking his headmore in sorrow than in anger. "This has taken away from what Ianticipated we were going to be about," he said. "It's hard forme to deal with this, with players doing things like this. MaybeI'm just old." When someone asked why he threw himself back intoa league in which such irresponsibility is commonplace, Johnsonanswered, "Maybe I won't throw myself back in it next year."
Johnson was aware, however, that Ceballos wasn't the only playerwho didn't care for Harris's unpredictable rotation, whichHarris attempted to rectify at practice last Saturday. Hedefined roles, naming Ceballos, Van Exel, center Vlade Divac,forward Elden Campbell and guard Eddie Jones the starters, withJohnson and guards Anthony Peeler and Sedale Threatt the topthree reserves. "I think that [clarification] was missing," saidJohnson, who prefers coming off the bench.
Very little has been missing from Johnson's game. After the lossto Charlotte, he was averaging 28.4 minutes,14.9 points, 5.4rebounds and 6.7 assists, and although there were still somesigns of rust--he occasionally throws up the air ball three-pointer--he has been playing remarkably well since he came outof retirement. Until Ceballos took his abrupt vacation, the fearthat the Lakers' chemistry would be damaged by adding an elementas powerful as Johnson appeared to have been unfounded. In factL.A. had been a study in selflessness since Magic's return. The44 assists they piled up in his first game back, on Jan. 30against the Warriors, was at week's end still the highestsingle-game total in the league this season, as well as the mostfor the Lakers since 1986. In the 24 games since Johnson'sarrival, the Lakers averaged 26.8 assists, compared with 24.8 inthe 42 games before he returned.
But Johnson's effect is more obvious on the floor than on thestat sheet. His mere presence seems to cause other Lakers tomake the extra pass. On a fast break against the Sonics lastweek, Campbell, who is having the best season of his career (atweek's end averaging 13.7 points, 7.9 rebounds and 2.55 blocks),took a pass as he headed down the lane toward the basket. Butinstead of shooting, he immediately made a no-look touch pass toJones streaking in on the wing for a dunk. "Before Magic cameback, E.C. probably takes the shot, and maybe he makes it, maybehe doesn't, but he probably doesn't make the pass," said Divacafter the loss to Seattle. "That comes from Magic setting thetone."
It is the kind of tone Johnson tried but failed to set in his17-game stab at coaching the Lakers two seasons ago. He finds itmuch easier to get his points across while wearing a uniform."They can tune you out as a coach, but not when you're a playerand you're kicking their butt in practice," Johnson says. "See,I can tell Elden something about rebounding when I'm holding awhistle and a clipboard, and he'll probably remember it for alittle while, but if I tell him something about rebounding afterI've just taken a rebound from him, then he'll remember it forgood."
To watch Johnson as he plays so effectively is to realize why heclung so tenaciously to his dream of a comeback. "I knew that Icould still make a difference just with what I had up here," hesays, tapping his temple. "I understand this game. I understandthe angles of it, the little nooks and crannies of it." Johnsonhas pared his style to the point where not a single movement iswasted, as if he realizes he only has so many strides and jumpsleft in his career. And he has had to make other concessions toage. A calf injury that forced him to miss four games continuesto trouble him, and he doesn't have the stamina of his youngeryears. When he started and played the entire first quarter atSeattle last week, he was winded when he sat down. Coming offthe bench to play a maximum of 30 minutes a game seems theperfect role for him, which is one of the reasons why Ceballos'suncertain status was so potentially damaging. His absence playedhavoc with the Laker rotation and forced Johnson to spend moreminutes on the court.
So far those minutes have come mostly at one of the forwardpositions, but Johnson thinks there is significant time at hisold point guard spot in his future. "I think I can have moreoptions and be more dangerous that way," he says. One potentialdanger, though, is ruffling the feathers of the talented andheadstrong Van Exel. But so far Van Exel has adjusted admirably,ceding some of his control of the team to Johnson while losingnone of his trademark cockiness. "I know there are a lot ofpeople checking it out to see how I'm going to respond," VanExel says. "And I know there are probably going to be times whenMagic and I are both standing there with our hands out, callingfor the ball. Believe me, I'm not going to change my game. Nickis going to be Nick. But I'm not a selfish player, and I knowMagic's not. It won't be a problem."
At least it won't be as big a problem as, say, finding a phonewas for Ceballos in Arizona.
I recall Sherman Douglas pulling this stunt too back in the day.
callmened wrote:So apparently rose took an emergency trip home to be with his mother (didn't give reason). He didn't answer phone call from Knicks Cuz he "needed space". Sigh
I generally err on giving people the benefit of a doubt..Who knows what the situation was..What if it was something outrageous/insane like a kidnapping...I don't know, could be anything...Not in a position to judge, I'll let Phil do that...
callmened wrote:So apparently rose took an emergency trip home to be with his mother (didn't give reason). He didn't answer phone call from Knicks Cuz he "needed space". Sigh
Trade the veterans for whatever you can get of value. This collection of players and coaches trying and failing to resemble a team is already a lost cause.
holfresh wrote:callmened wrote:So apparently rose took an emergency trip home to be with his mother (didn't give reason). He didn't answer phone call from Knicks Cuz he "needed space". SighI generally err on giving people the benefit of a doubt..Who knows what the situation was..What if it was something outrageous/insane like a kidnapping...I don't know, could be anything...Not in a position to judge, I'll let Phil do that...
Its not only Rose. Its the whole team. Its rotten.
holfresh wrote:callmened wrote:So apparently rose took an emergency trip home to be with his mother (didn't give reason). He didn't answer phone call from Knicks Cuz he "needed space". SighI generally err on giving people the benefit of a doubt..Who knows what the situation was..What if it was something outrageous/insane like a kidnapping...I don't know, could be anything...Not in a position to judge, I'll let Phil do that...
Just call your boss!! That's my only problem with this whole thing
callmened wrote:holfresh wrote:callmened wrote:So apparently rose took an emergency trip home to be with his mother (didn't give reason). He didn't answer phone call from Knicks Cuz he "needed space". SighI generally err on giving people the benefit of a doubt..Who knows what the situation was..What if it was something outrageous/insane like a kidnapping...I don't know, could be anything...Not in a position to judge, I'll let Phil do that...
Just call your boss!! That's my only problem with this whole thing
Or answer your bosses phonecall
callmened wrote:At what point last night did Berman tweet that Rose had been in touch with Steve Mills?holfresh wrote:callmened wrote:So apparently rose took an emergency trip home to be with his mother (didn't give reason). He didn't answer phone call from Knicks Cuz he "needed space". SighI generally err on giving people the benefit of a doubt..Who knows what the situation was..What if it was something outrageous/insane like a kidnapping...I don't know, could be anything...Not in a position to judge, I'll let Phil do that...
Just call your boss!! That's my only problem with this whole thing
AboveDaRim1115 wrote:I would get Nerlens too to offset Noah signingHe definitely should be a target. I just don't know what the Knicks have that the Sixers would want to match in a trade.
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I'm sure they did. They excel in enabling this type of behavior in their stars.
crzymdups wrote:I don't know the whole situation but it doesn't seem good. I am hoping Rose doesn't become a guy Dolan wants to rehabilitate or give lots of chances to.WaltLongmire wrote:Wonder if the Knicks payed for his flight back to NYC?Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/818912200278482944
Click here to view the TweetI'm sure they did. They excel in enabling this type of behavior in their stars.
Our best option with Rose and Long term really is to tank now and talk some 6-8 seed in either conference that Rose is their answer to the 2nd round past an elite team.
Worst thing we could do is offer this idiot a long term contract, no matter how talented he is.
I still remember him dunking during warm-ups only to sit during critical games for the Bulls a few years ago.
I thought perhaps this experiment would work and because of lack of options, Why not! But Knicks would be insanse to offer Rose anything more than a 1 yr Contract if they are still saddled with him by the off-season.