Knicks · 2017 NBA Draft Thread (page 21)

3) Suns 22-44
blazers x2, kings, magic, nets, mavs, kings

4) Sixers 23-42
lakers, Mavs, Magic, nets x2, Knicks

5) Magic 24-43
Kings, Suns, Sixers, Nets x 2

6) Kings 25-41
Magic, Suns x 2, Pelicans, Twolves, Mavs, Lakers

7) Knicks 26-40
Nets x2, Blazers, Sixers

8) Pelicans 26-40
Blazers x 2, Twolves, Mavs, Kings, lakers,

9) Twolves 27-38
Blazers x3, Pelicans, Lakers x3, Kings

10) Mavs 28-37
Suns, Sixers, nets, Pelicans, Nets, kings

11) Blazers 28-36
Pelicans x2, Knicks, Twolves x3, Lakers, Suns x2,

Mavs, blazers, Twolves, suns seem to be on an upward swing, pelicans, Kings, Magic and sixers are crashing and burning.

smackeddog wrote:So, here's the updated list in lottery rivals schedules vs other lottery teams (I've left out the Lakers and Nets because we have no shot of catching them):

3) Suns 22-44
blazers x2, kings, magic, nets, mavs, kings

4) Sixers 23-42
lakers, Mavs, Magic, nets x2, Knicks

5) Magic 24-43
Kings, Suns, Sixers, Nets x 2

6) Kings 25-41
Magic, Suns x 2, Pelicans, Twolves, Mavs, Lakers

7) Knicks 26-40
Nets x2, Blazers, Sixers

8) Pelicans 26-40
Blazers x 2, Twolves, Mavs, Kings, lakers,

9) Twolves 27-38
Blazers x3, Pelicans, Lakers x3, Kings

10) Mavs 28-37
Suns, Sixers, nets, Pelicans, Nets, kings

11) Blazers 28-36
Pelicans x2, Knicks, Twolves x3, Lakers, Suns x2,

Mavs, blazers, Twolves, suns seem to be on an upward swing, pelicans, Kings, Magic and sixers are crashing and burning.

I think if Pelicans can win these upcoming games, they can get some momentum and get way ahead of us, plus Kings have some easy ass games coming up, they are bound to win at least 2(hopefully). We just need to go full out tank and lose every single game.

TPercy wrote:Also, BUlls have been losing their games as of recet, which helps us get a better 2nd round pick

I was wondering about that. Thx for pointing that out.

smackeddog wrote:So, here's the updated list in lottery rivals schedules vs other lottery teams (I've left out the Lakers and Nets because we have no shot of catching them):

3) Suns 22-44
blazers x2, kings, magic, nets, mavs, kings

4) Sixers 23-42
lakers, Mavs, Magic, nets x2, Knicks

5) Magic 24-43
Kings, Suns, Sixers, Nets x 2

6) Kings 25-41
Magic, Suns x 2, Pelicans, Twolves, Mavs, Lakers

7) Knicks 26-40
Nets x2, Blazers, Sixers

8) Pelicans 26-40
Blazers x 2, Twolves, Mavs, Kings, lakers,

9) Twolves 27-38
Blazers x3, Pelicans, Lakers x3, Kings

10) Mavs 28-37
Suns, Sixers, nets, Pelicans, Nets, kings

11) Blazers 28-36
Pelicans x2, Knicks, Twolves x3, Lakers, Suns x2,

Mavs, blazers, Twolves, suns seem to be on an upward swing, pelicans, Kings, Magic and sixers are crashing and burning.

We lost, Bulls lost (improved 2nd round pick), Sixers won and unfortunately the Suns lost. All-in-all, it was a decent night toward helping our draft seedings.

TPercy wrote:Also, BUlls have been losing their games as of recet, which helps us get a better 2nd round pick

This draft is so deep that the first half of the 2nd round is equal to a first round pick in a normal year. Let's put the hex on the Bulls.

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:So, here's the updated list in lottery rivals schedules vs other lottery teams (I've left out the Lakers and Nets because we have no shot of catching them):

3) Suns 22-44
blazers x2, kings, magic, nets, mavs, kings

4) Sixers 23-42
lakers, Mavs, Magic, nets x2, Knicks

5) Magic 24-43
Kings, Suns, Sixers, Nets x 2

6) Kings 25-41
Magic, Suns x 2, Pelicans, Twolves, Mavs, Lakers

7) Knicks 26-40
Nets x2, Blazers, Sixers

8) Pelicans 26-40
Blazers x 2, Twolves, Mavs, Kings, lakers,

9) Twolves 27-38
Blazers x3, Pelicans, Lakers x3, Kings

10) Mavs 28-37
Suns, Sixers, nets, Pelicans, Nets, kings

11) Blazers 28-36
Pelicans x2, Knicks, Twolves x3, Lakers, Suns x2,

Mavs, blazers, Twolves, suns seem to be on an upward swing, pelicans, Kings, Magic and sixers are crashing and burning.

I think if Pelicans can win these upcoming games, they can get some momentum and get way ahead of us, plus Kings have some easy ass games coming up, they are bound to win at least 2(hopefully). We just need to go full out tank and lose every single game.

The good part is that the Kings have 2 games vs the suns coming up, so those two teams have to put on wins- even if the Kings tank both of them, suddenly the suns are on 24 wins, and still have to play the magic and nets. Also the magic and sixers play each other, and also both play the Nets twice. Those nets games are crucial to our standings

smackeddog wrote:

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:So, here's the updated list in lottery rivals schedules vs other lottery teams (I've left out the Lakers and Nets because we have no shot of catching them):

3) Suns 22-44
blazers x2, kings, magic, nets, mavs, kings

4) Sixers 23-42
lakers, Mavs, Magic, nets x2, Knicks

5) Magic 24-43
Kings, Suns, Sixers, Nets x 2

6) Kings 25-41
Magic, Suns x 2, Pelicans, Twolves, Mavs, Lakers

7) Knicks 26-40
Nets x2, Blazers, Sixers

8) Pelicans 26-40
Blazers x 2, Twolves, Mavs, Kings, lakers,

9) Twolves 27-38
Blazers x3, Pelicans, Lakers x3, Kings

10) Mavs 28-37
Suns, Sixers, nets, Pelicans, Nets, kings

11) Blazers 28-36
Pelicans x2, Knicks, Twolves x3, Lakers, Suns x2,

Mavs, blazers, Twolves, suns seem to be on an upward swing, pelicans, Kings, Magic and sixers are crashing and burning.

I think if Pelicans can win these upcoming games, they can get some momentum and get way ahead of us, plus Kings have some easy ass games coming up, they are bound to win at least 2(hopefully). We just need to go full out tank and lose every single game.

The good part is that the Kings have 2 games vs the suns coming up, so those two teams have to put on wins- even if the Kings tank both of them, suddenly the suns are on 24 wins, and still have to play the magic and nets. Also the magic and sixers play each other, and also both play the Nets twice. Those nets games are crucial to our standings

Tank super bowl game tonight as Orlando plays at Sacramento. No matter who loses, we win!

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:So, here's the updated list in lottery rivals schedules vs other lottery teams (I've left out the Lakers and Nets because we have no shot of catching them):

3) Suns 22-44
blazers x2, kings, magic, nets, mavs, kings

4) Sixers 23-42
lakers, Mavs, Magic, nets x2, Knicks

5) Magic 24-43
Kings, Suns, Sixers, Nets x 2

6) Kings 25-41
Magic, Suns x 2, Pelicans, Twolves, Mavs, Lakers

7) Knicks 26-40
Nets x2, Blazers, Sixers

8) Pelicans 26-40
Blazers x 2, Twolves, Mavs, Kings, lakers,

9) Twolves 27-38
Blazers x3, Pelicans, Lakers x3, Kings

10) Mavs 28-37
Suns, Sixers, nets, Pelicans, Nets, kings

11) Blazers 28-36
Pelicans x2, Knicks, Twolves x3, Lakers, Suns x2,

Mavs, blazers, Twolves, suns seem to be on an upward swing, pelicans, Kings, Magic and sixers are crashing and burning.

I think if Pelicans can win these upcoming games, they can get some momentum and get way ahead of us, plus Kings have some easy ass games coming up, they are bound to win at least 2(hopefully). We just need to go full out tank and lose every single game.

The good part is that the Kings have 2 games vs the suns coming up, so those two teams have to put on wins- even if the Kings tank both of them, suddenly the suns are on 24 wins, and still have to play the magic and nets. Also the magic and sixers play each other, and also both play the Nets twice. Those nets games are crucial to our standings

Tank super bowl game tonight as Orlando plays at Sacramento. No matter who loses, we win!

I think Kings needs to lose this one... Magic have quite a few winnable games on the sched pasted above.

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:So, here's the updated list in lottery rivals schedules vs other lottery teams (I've left out the Lakers and Nets because we have no shot of catching them):

3) Suns 22-44
blazers x2, kings, magic, nets, mavs, kings

4) Sixers 23-42
lakers, Mavs, Magic, nets x2, Knicks

5) Magic 24-43
Kings, Suns, Sixers, Nets x 2

6) Kings 25-41
Magic, Suns x 2, Pelicans, Twolves, Mavs, Lakers

7) Knicks 26-40
Nets x2, Blazers, Sixers

8) Pelicans 26-40
Blazers x 2, Twolves, Mavs, Kings, lakers,

9) Twolves 27-38
Blazers x3, Pelicans, Lakers x3, Kings

10) Mavs 28-37
Suns, Sixers, nets, Pelicans, Nets, kings

11) Blazers 28-36
Pelicans x2, Knicks, Twolves x3, Lakers, Suns x2,

Mavs, blazers, Twolves, suns seem to be on an upward swing, pelicans, Kings, Magic and sixers are crashing and burning.

I think if Pelicans can win these upcoming games, they can get some momentum and get way ahead of us, plus Kings have some easy ass games coming up, they are bound to win at least 2(hopefully). We just need to go full out tank and lose every single game.

The good part is that the Kings have 2 games vs the suns coming up, so those two teams have to put on wins- even if the Kings tank both of them, suddenly the suns are on 24 wins, and still have to play the magic and nets. Also the magic and sixers play each other, and also both play the Nets twice. Those nets games are crucial to our standings

Tank super bowl game tonight as Orlando plays at Sacramento. No matter who loses, we win!

ha, don't say that- last time we had a lottery vs lottery team (I think Twolves vs blazers back when we were tied with them), the game got postponed! The only way we could lose!

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

That seems pretty fair.

I'm a little amused that so many guys here who want to get rid of Melo to rebuild seem to be on the Tatum train. Isn't Tatum very similar to Melo? He isos, he holds the ball with his little jab step moves... very similar to Melo... except he probably won't be as good...

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

That seems pretty fair.

I'm a little amused that so many guys here who want to get rid of Melo to rebuild seem to be on the Tatum train. Isn't Tatum very similar to Melo? He isos, he holds the ball with his little jab step moves... very similar to Melo... except he probably won't be as good...

Part of the reason for wanting rid of melo is his age and that he has become stubborn and refuses to be coached. I would hope that Tatum would be more shapeable.

Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

Do you know, I had forgotten Danny Granger ever existed- I can't remember how good he was, or much about him at all to be honest!

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

Do you know, I had forgotten Danny Granger ever existed- I can't remember how good he was, or much about him at all to be honest!

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

Do you know, I had forgotten Danny Granger ever existed- I can't remember how good he was, or much about him at all to be honest!

For 3 or 4 years he was really good. It's easy to forget. Tatum reminds me of him a lot.

Just watched some highlights to refresh my memory- I really see the comparison

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smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

That seems pretty fair.

I'm a little amused that so many guys here who want to get rid of Melo to rebuild seem to be on the Tatum train. Isn't Tatum very similar to Melo? He isos, he holds the ball with his little jab step moves... very similar to Melo... except he probably won't be as good...

Part of the reason for wanting rid of melo is his age and that he has become stubborn and refuses to be coached. I would hope that Tatum would be more shapeable.

I've watched Tatum many times and he's more UNSELFISH than Melo. I think he can fit into a team concept better. Yes he is adept at ISO but no one ever said a player should not have that skill. Tatum mixes it up well from what I've seen. He does have similar skills to Melo. I just think he's a better fit.

nixluva wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:How i see the top prospects right now as far as upside and downside. Just trying to figure out the gambles and sure things here.

Fultz- Upside: Lillard-level scoring PG, downside: maybe a better D Russell? Very little downside.
Ball- Upside: Poor man's prime J Kidd, downside: better shooting Rubio.
Jackson- Upside: Paul George, downside: Maybe a later career Shawn Marion, but likely closer to P George.
Tatum- Upside: Prime Danny Granger, downside: younger L Deng.
Smith- Upside: Kyle Lowry, downside: modern-day D Rose
Monk- Upside: Bradley Beal/McCollum: downside Eric Gordon
Fox- Upside: Poor man's Wall, downside: Rubio
Isaac- Upside: Rashard Lewis, downside: Anthony Randolph (biggest bust potential)
Ntilikina: Upside: Better Jrue Holiday, downside, maybe Mudiay?
Markkannen: Upside: Better Ryan Anderson, downside: Ryan Anderson (not much downside)
Bridges: Upside: Prime Larry Johnson, downside: Jae Crowder

That seems pretty fair.

I'm a little amused that so many guys here who want to get rid of Melo to rebuild seem to be on the Tatum train. Isn't Tatum very similar to Melo? He isos, he holds the ball with his little jab step moves... very similar to Melo... except he probably won't be as good...

Part of the reason for wanting rid of melo is his age and that he has become stubborn and refuses to be coached. I would hope that Tatum would be more shapeable.

I've watched Tatum many times and he's more UNSELFISH than Melo. I think he can fit into a team concept better. Yes he is adept at ISO but no one ever said a player should not have that skill. Tatum mixes it up well from what I've seen. He does have similar skills to Melo. I just think he's a better fit.

Melo averaged 23ppg 10rpg 2.2apg and won a championship his freshman year in college.

Tatum is at 16.8ppg 7rpg 2.2apg with very similar shooting, assist, blocks, steals, even foul numbers to Melo.

Not sure what evidence you have he's less selfish, but I'd be fascinated to see it.