Knicks · Time to Build around KP... Bye Melo (page 1)

Must watch vid... I'm in total agreement

id rather get the draft pics but those three players are nice

This video was already posted in another thread. I would support a mutually beneficial trade. The video is not a recommended watch. Here are my thoughts on the video from the other thread.

This video was meeehh to me. A statement of obvious information. Complete disregard for the fact that Rose is expiring and we gutted the roster last yr and basically every yr for the last 3. The only trade I would hope for is with Boston to free up some space and maybe get some pieces if a pick can't be had.

The notion that players will sign here to play with KP isn't based in any sort of reality. Melo was way more popular in his prime than KP is and we struggled to get names. Players don't want to come here for less money and more scrutiny. That isn't an attractive option to them. He also proposed zero possible options that make them actually better and neglected the salary purge FA move which hasn't worked for NY before so why now. In summary, I wish I could get those 10 minutes back but I never will.

The video was thoughtful in my opinion... well done and covered everything. Rose is an expiring that's why he didn't mention him. That's a non factor. If we trade Melo we just sit on Rose. I think that's just obvious that's why it wasn't talked about.

Kristaps has superstars calling KP a unicorn and everyone agrees. Everyone is taking highly of him. Melo has been shitted on the last 10 years. Only in the Olympics dies he get that respect. Announcers, former players aND current players have went out there way to say he's overrated. Nobody wants to play with him for 82 games as the #1 option.

As far as Boston, the guy did mention new jerseys pick. I believe Boston would prefer to trade that pick along with Jaylen Brown, amir Johnson and Jerebko....that would make the most sense because Boston would not want to trade any of their rotation guys. That would be awesome for everyone. Boston gets Isiah legit help on a team that's already a playoff team. The Knicks get Jaylen Brown and a top 3 pick (Lonzo Ball imho) and keep their own lottery pick.

All of that is way more then Meh bruh

This is very plausible but of course we have to see if Boston is serious about trying to load up for a shot at the Finals. Is Melo smart enough to realize that would be his best shot to get to the Finals? I believe Phil would jump at a deal like that.

nixluva wrote:This is very plausible but of course we have to see if Boston is serious about trying to load up for a shot at the Finals. Is Melo smart enough to realize that would be his best shot to get to the Finals? I believe Phil would jump at a deal like that.

Melo would be delusional if he didn't consider this. He would be joining a winning Boston club with its entire rotation intact! That's good enough to take on Cleveland and Toronto in the east. Nobody would fault him.nobody in NY will hate on him. We wouldn't boo him He tried here... but getting that new Jersey pick with Jaylen Brown? We good fam

if we could get jaylen brown and a top 3 pick in this draft for melo I'd do this 10000000%. But would they really do that for melo? I kinda doubt it. Maybe 2012 melo

KP4Life wrote:if we could get jaylen brown and a top 3 pick in this draft for melo I'd do this 10000000%. But would they really do that for melo? I kinda doubt it. Maybe 2012 melo

I think they do it if they keep that rotation intact.... this draft is point guard heavy where new Jersey is picking. They don't need a pg at all. Jaylen Brown does nothing for them. It's a move that would put the Celtics back at the forefront.

Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Plenty of star players started their careers on bad teams without much offensive support. It does not kill the player. Patrick Ewing in his rookie year didn't even have one regular teammate who averaged over 12 PPG. (Pat Cummings did but he missed 2/3 of the season.)

Can we trade the guys on the roster that are inconsistent, dont pass, score or play defense, first? Clue, not Melo. Led in assists last year. 3rd behind point guards this year (way it should be). Melo sits and the second unit, with KP, open the flood gates. Definately not the same he used to be but not our main problem. Speciall with the NTC. Stupid to say he is going anywhere for this and that.

Think Noah is garbage, offensive liability and not what he was defensively. 17M Bye
Bench play, although everyone gets a hard on when Cheese hits a 3, Willy does a drop step, and Jennings does a no look pass....inot good. Bye
KO dissappearing act. Bye

KP needs to improve on defense as well. Floating and leaving guys open. Leaving his feet for any pump fake. Even guys that are 6 foot tall.
Rose needs to drive and dish and get a jump shot.
Lee needs to show up more than once in a while.

Starting to believe what others suggested. Bring in more consistent outside shooting and let Melo play point forward.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Plenty of star players started their careers on bad teams without much offensive support. It does not kill the player. Patrick Ewing in his rookie year didn't even have one regular teammate who averaged over 12 PPG. (Pat Cummings did but he missed 2/3 of the season.)

OK but is it really necessary? What makes dealing melo essential to rebuilding around porzingis? It's not like they are a bad fit together. If melo is willing to pass the torch, why is it imperative to get rid of him? If people are saying we need to deal him so we can be really bad for a couple of seasons because being really bad helps us get better players in the draft, I'm not buying it. Most teams that successfully rebuild find good players later in the draft, especially once they have their star, which we already have.

Melo's shooting and defense are much worse this year. Last year, Melo held his man to 42.1% shooting. This year it's 48.4%. Combine that with much worse shooting this year and he has a -0.6 on/off this year (vs. +5.3 last year).

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Plenty of star players started their careers on bad teams without much offensive support. It does not kill the player. Patrick Ewing in his rookie year didn't even have one regular teammate who averaged over 12 PPG. (Pat Cummings did but he missed 2/3 of the season.)

OK but is it really necessary? What makes dealing melo essential to rebuilding around porzingis? It's not like they are a bad fit together. If melo is willing to pass the torch, why is it imperative to get rid of him? If people are saying we need to deal him so we can be really bad for a couple of seasons because being really bad helps us get better players in the draft, I'm not buying it. Most teams that successfully rebuild find good players later in the draft, especially once they have their star, which we already have.

I would deal him because there are better ways to use 1/4 of the cap. It should bring more wins (maybe not this season but once we use the cap space on more productive players). We don't need a poor defensive player who's shooting worse than the worst team in the league taking up $25 mil a year.

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Plenty of star players started their careers on bad teams without much offensive support. It does not kill the player. Patrick Ewing in his rookie year didn't even have one regular teammate who averaged over 12 PPG. (Pat Cummings did but he missed 2/3 of the season.)

OK but is it really necessary? What makes dealing melo essential to rebuilding around porzingis? It's not like they are a bad fit together. If melo is willing to pass the torch, why is it imperative to get rid of him? If people are saying we need to deal him so we can be really bad for a couple of seasons because being really bad helps us get better players in the draft, I'm not buying it. Most teams that successfully rebuild find good players later in the draft, especially once they have their star, which we already have.

If lebron was here and we were losing, they would be talking about trading him

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Plenty of star players started their careers on bad teams without much offensive support. It does not kill the player. Patrick Ewing in his rookie year didn't even have one regular teammate who averaged over 12 PPG. (Pat Cummings did but he missed 2/3 of the season.)

OK but is it really necessary? What makes dealing melo essential to rebuilding around porzingis? It's not like they are a bad fit together. If melo is willing to pass the torch, why is it imperative to get rid of him? If people are saying we need to deal him so we can be really bad for a couple of seasons because being really bad helps us get better players in the draft, I'm not buying it. Most teams that successfully rebuild find good players later in the draft, especially once they have their star, which we already have.

I would deal him because there are better ways to use 1/4 of the cap. It should bring more wins (maybe not this season but once we use the cap space on more productive players). We don't need a poor defensive player who's shooting worse than the worst team in the league taking up $25 mil a year.

Maybe we can use 25 mil better, but I'm not sure. His shooting numbers should regress back to the mean slightly. He's a good passer when he wants to be too. If we deal him fine, but we can build just as well with him along for the ride. It's not a necessity.

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Well it's not with every losing streak with me. Knicks are at a crossroads. They could turn it around or bury themselves.

Melo isn't leaving. He's said that. KP needs Melo.... but the Knicks need to improve this club. Do we have to wait till KP is 25 years old before we start to try and build around him? Then turn him into Melo when the franchise all hasn't built around him properly? Then crucify KP like we did to Ewing?

Isn't our greatest need a pg though? All the best pgs in the drsft are in the top ten. The teens are forwards mostly right? I mean the expected draft numbers. If we tank this is the year to do it. Just like the year we got KP. It doesn't even have to be a big tank. Just enough to get a frank N. He's perfect for this team. Rose is not staying. Maybe we could try to trade to draft lower if we end up in teens to get a pg?

Imo this year is a stealth tank. Phil knew it could all blow up anyway with the dudes he signed.

*nevermind frank is expected to go top 5 sigh 😳

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Well it's not with every losing streak with me. Knicks are at a crossroads. They could turn it around or bury themselves.

Melo isn't leaving. He's said that. KP needs Melo.... but the Knicks need to improve this club. Do we have to wait till KP is 25 years old before we start to try and build around him? Then turn him into Melo when the franchise all hasn't built around him properly? Then crucify KP like we did to Ewing?

No, I agree. We start building now. Draft the right players, look for young underrated players and find the right PG. Every move should be made with KP in mind.

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Well it's not with every losing streak with me. Knicks are at a crossroads. They could turn it around or bury themselves.

Melo isn't leaving. He's said that. KP needs Melo.... but the Knicks need to improve this club. Do we have to wait till KP is 25 years old before we start to try and build around him? Then turn him into Melo when the franchise all hasn't built around him properly? Then crucify KP like we did to Ewing?

I agree. They have been at a crossroads for some time though. The salary match rule does make a full rebuild difficult and limits reading options. I thought the video was pointless bc most people know this stuff.

You last statement about killing KP is inevitable IMO and part of the reason why I think most don't want to come here even though people have chosen to blame Melo. It's a pressure cooker in NY. The modern athlete is typically not interested in the added nonsense from our media and fanbase. Could you imagine the abuse if KD failed to win here with that roster? People actually feel bad for him and his "situation" in OKC. The 3rd best player on their team is arguably better than any player we have had on any Melo roster. We also give less money. NY is not an attractive option. Let's see what happens this summer with Melo and KP with the cap space. If people won't come for both let's not pretend just KP would be a better option. It would be nice to move Noah though. Guys like him have no place in the league under the current ruleset.

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo isn't waiving his NTC. He's staying. And that's fine. We can build around KP with Melo here. Someone else will need to score the ball. The minute melo leaves you are asking KP to put up Anthony Davis numbers. It will kill him. I appreciates melo's loyalty to the knicks despite the way he's treated. I don't understand the melo trade speculation that goes with every losing streak. It just baffles me.

Well it's not with every losing streak with me. Knicks are at a crossroads. They could turn it around or bury themselves.

Melo isn't leaving. He's said that. KP needs Melo.... but the Knicks need to improve this club. Do we have to wait till KP is 25 years old before we start to try and build around him? Then turn him into Melo when the franchise all hasn't built around him properly? Then crucify KP like we did to Ewing?

No, I agree. We start building now. Draft the right players, look for young underrated players and find the right PG. Every move should be made with KP in mind.

pipe dream, thats like a shot in the dark