Knicks · Melo REFUSES to be traded (page 3)

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:We might as well give it a try with KP at the 5, Melo at the 4, Rose at the 2 with Baker at point and hopefully Phil can trade for an athletic 3 that can defend soon. Melo ain't going anywhere. Might as well try to win. Will we win though? I doubt it. Not unless moving KP to the 5 Melo to 4 and Rose to the 2 has a major impact on how we play.

Hey IMO there's a very good shot that Melo n KP at the 4/5 can work well. Let them do it for a while and see what it looks like. I actually like how baker and Kuz have looked with a greater role.

We need to tank to see if we can recoup a top tier PG from this upcoming draft. I say, blow this the hell up around Melo and KP; then do what needs to be done. Melo doesn't want to leave? That's fine. That doesn't mean we have build around or with him either.

That would be 4 yrs in a row..Aside from towns and KP who in that entire draft is a difference maker right now.

I would hope phil would package that pick for a player who's ready to contribute now, a strong vetran presence with some leadership skills..Not no project pick that may get shot in his knee outside a club.

That rationale has lead us into this awful predicamemr.

NardDogNation wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:We might as well give it a try with KP at the 5, Melo at the 4, Rose at the 2 with Baker at point and hopefully Phil can trade for an athletic 3 that can defend soon. Melo ain't going anywhere. Might as well try to win. Will we win though? I doubt it. Not unless moving KP to the 5 Melo to 4 and Rose to the 2 has a major impact on how we play.

Hey IMO there's a very good shot that Melo n KP at the 4/5 can work well. Let them do it for a while and see what it looks like. I actually like how baker and Kuz have looked with a greater role.

We need to tank to see if we can recoup a top tier PG from this upcoming draft. I say, blow this the hell up around Melo and KP; then do what needs to be done. Melo doesn't want to leave? That's fine. That doesn't mean we have build around or with him either.

That would be 4 yrs in a row..Aside from towns and KP who in that entire draft is a difference maker right now.

I would hope phil would package that pick for a player who's ready to contribute now, a strong vetran presence with some leadership skills..Not no project pick that may get shot in his knee outside a club.

That rationale has lead us into this awful predicamemr.

Well we can't draft either, KP was a luck up because that was phils 3rd option

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:We might as well give it a try with KP at the 5, Melo at the 4, Rose at the 2 with Baker at point and hopefully Phil can trade for an athletic 3 that can defend soon. Melo ain't going anywhere. Might as well try to win. Will we win though? I doubt it. Not unless moving KP to the 5 Melo to 4 and Rose to the 2 has a major impact on how we play.

Hey IMO there's a very good shot that Melo n KP at the 4/5 can work well. Let them do it for a while and see what it looks like. I actually like how baker and Kuz have looked with a greater role.

We need to tank to see if we can recoup a top tier PG from this upcoming draft. I say, blow this the hell up around Melo and KP; then do what needs to be done. Melo doesn't want to leave? That's fine. That doesn't mean we have build around or with him either.

That would be 4 yrs in a row..Aside from towns and KP who in that entire draft is a difference maker right now.

I would hope phil would package that pick for a player who's ready to contribute now, a strong vetran presence with some leadership skills..Not no project pick that may get shot in his knee outside a club.

That rationale has lead us into this awful predicamemr.

Well we can't draft either, KP was a luck up because that was phils 3rd option

How would you know? We've moved so many of them over the years that we've seldom actual been able to draft in drafts that are worth a damn.

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:We might as well give it a try with KP at the 5, Melo at the 4, Rose at the 2 with Baker at point and hopefully Phil can trade for an athletic 3 that can defend soon. Melo ain't going anywhere. Might as well try to win. Will we win though? I doubt it. Not unless moving KP to the 5 Melo to 4 and Rose to the 2 has a major impact on how we play.

Hey IMO there's a very good shot that Melo n KP at the 4/5 can work well. Let them do it for a while and see what it looks like. I actually like how baker and Kuz have looked with a greater role.

We need to tank to see if we can recoup a top tier PG from this upcoming draft. I say, blow this the hell up around Melo and KP; then do what needs to be done. Melo doesn't want to leave? That's fine. That doesn't mean we have build around or with him either.

That would be 4 yrs in a row..Aside from towns and KP who in that entire draft is a difference maker right now.

I would hope phil would package that pick for a player who's ready to contribute now, a strong vetran presence with some leadership skills..Not no project pick that may get shot in his knee outside a club.

That rationale has lead us into this awful predicamemr.

Well we can't draft either, KP was a luck up because that was phils 3rd option

crzymdups wrote:The title of this thread is bogus. Phil gave Melo the no trade. As always, this is a situation Phil created that he's trying to blame on someone else.

I believe Dolan wanted Melo to stay and help keep the Knicks relevant. Melo wanted the NTC because other top players got the NTC. Phil likely didn't want to just let a top talent leave and have nothing on the roster to build with. It's not just a simple thing. There are so few top players in this league and any new GM who comes to NY isn't going to want to have no big name talent. Right or wrong it's just the nature of the beast.

Bonn1997 wrote:You were really creative with your thread title. I don't see where he said he refused to waive his NTC.

i wasnt trying to be creative. that was me being PISSED that he didnt waive his NTC. sorry for the confusion

smackeddog wrote:This isn't necessarily a bad thing- we don't want a repeat of the Ewing trade. I'd rather keep him and let him expire/ opt out than make a bad deal (which seems to be the only ones on offer)

That's very true. Our current predicament is based on the fact that we built our team with Melo in mind. As of now, it seems fair that Melo will enjoy the ride but it's not his ride anymore.

callmened wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You were really creative with your thread title. I don't see where he said he refused to waive his NTC.

i wasnt trying to be creative. that was me being PISSED that he didnt waive his NTC. sorry for the confusion

Oh ok. I thought you were trying to tell people who were proposing trades to shut up.

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You were really creative with your thread title. I don't see where he said he refused to waive his NTC.

i wasnt trying to be creative. that was me being PISSED that he didnt waive his NTC. sorry for the confusion

Oh ok. I thought you were trying to tell people who were proposing trades to shut up.

And would that be a bad thing?

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You were really creative with your thread title. I don't see where he said he refused to waive his NTC.

i wasnt trying to be creative. that was me being PISSED that he didnt waive his NTC. sorry for the confusion

Oh ok. I thought you were trying to tell people who were proposing trades to shut up.

And would that be a bad thing?

But I love those scenarios. What about Love and LBJ for Melo, KO and CHeese? Lol

Paris907 wrote:Melo Has to go. He's been a slow steady cancer slowing down the offense, keeping us from a true rebuild, limited defense, virtually no athleticism. We don't need Melo shooting 40% and taking 20 shots. If we traded his ass 2 years ago, we would have a great complimentary player for KP and still seat low enough to secure a strong first rounder

Dont think so. Traded him for who exactly? Honest questions: Do you think a back court of Jose, Gallo and a bench where LT is the best player should be something even a guy like LBJ would win a chip with? Last I checked he has pretty good help when he does (Irving had the best finals of any player in quite some time and now Love and oh yeah they just needed to add Korver) Second question, rebuild: Do you think Charlotte, Sacramento, Philly Minny, Phoenix, Denver, Pelicans, Wizards, Magic, Pistons will be close to winning a chip in the next 5 to 7 years without making a trade for a big established name? And how have they done with their rebuilds in the last 5 years?

nixluva wrote:

Carmelo Anthony tells Phil Jackson he wants to stay with the Knicks during Tuesday meeting

Carmelo Anthony meets with Knicks boss Phil Jackson on Tuesday. (TODD KIRKLAND/AP)
BY
FRANK ISOLA
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Updated: Tuesday, January 17, 2017, 4:50 PM
Carmelo Anthony informed Phil Jackson on Tuesday that he has every intention of remaining with the Knicks and told the team president that he has no desire to waive his no-trade clause, the Daily News has learned.

A person close to Anthony confirmed that Anthony and Jackson had met on Tuesday, two days after Anthony lashed out at Jackson after a critical column written by a confidant of Jackson's implied that Anthony’s days in New York should be coming to an end.

“Nothing has changed,” the source told the Daily News. “(Carmelo) wants to stay in New York and win in New York.”

ESPN first reported that Jackson and Anthony met Tuesday afternoon prior to the Knicks traveling to Boston. The source close to Anthony denied an ESPN report that the highly anticipated meeting became contentious. The Vertical, citing a league source, described the meeting as “calm” and “business-like.”

Carmelo Anthony says if Knicks don't want him it's time to talk
Anthony has told reporters repeatedly and as recently as Monday that he is committed to the Knicks and that he has not considered waiving the no-trade clause that was included in the deal Jackson gave him in July 2014.

“I’ve never even thought about that,” Anthony said Sunday. “I guess people are talking about it but it’s not something I’ve thought about so far.

“People can have their own opinions but I haven’t mentioned it once. But that seems to be the trend when you start losing, people want to start searching.”

Following Sunday’s loss in Toronto, Anthony appeared annoyed as he responded to an article written by Jackson’s long-time friend and occasional co-author Charley Rosen in which Rosen was highly critical of Anthony and stated that he was no longer valuable to the team.

Anthony, who was aware of the story before being questioned by reporters, suggested that Jackson’s fingerprints were on the story.

"If that's the case, if that's where it's coming from, that side, I guess it's a conversation we should have," Anthony said Sunday. "If they feel my time in New York is over, I guess that's a conversation we should have."

Anthony, 32, has two years left on his contract. Last February, the Daily News reported that Anthony and LeBron James had a brief discussion about Anthony orchestrating a trade to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Anthony, however, told his good friend that he wasn’t ready to give up on New York.

The Knicks enter Wednesday’s game against the Boston Celtics with an 18-24 record, including 10 defeats in their last 12 games. The club has not reached the postseason for three straight years.

The NBA trade deadline is Feb. 23 which gives Anthony time to re-consider a deal or, if you will, Jackson more time to convince Anthony that leaving would be in his best interests as well as the teams.

The Jackson-Anthony relationship, which has been on the rocks for nearly two years, has deteriorated rapidly this season. Anthony was upset that Jackson was quoted as saying that the nine-time All Star stalls the offense. They met briefly in Los Angeles last month to discuss the comment.

The most recent controversy has led some in the Anthony camp wondering if Jackson is intentionally picking a public fight with the veteran forward in the hopes that Anthony becomes so fed up he agrees to a trade.

There are several problems with that theory, starting with the fact that Anthony’s contract, which includes a trade kicker, is not easy to move.

Moreover, Anthony enjoys playing in New York and under the circumstances he would not give Jackson the satisfaction of running him out of town.

Another option is simply releasing Anthony but that transaction would have to be run past Garden Chairman James Dolan first. Dolan, who has maintained a close relationship over the years with the player he traded for, may not want to cut Anthony and eat the final two years of his contract.

Does anyone else think it's kinda funny how these new york reporters know exactly what was said in a meeting between Phil and Melo when they were the only two in the room?? You have two people that have shown over and over again that they don't let anything out to the public or these shyt reporters that they don't want out but somehow these guys knew exactly what was said right after the meeting was over.

wargames wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:As bad as the team has played they were 3 possessions away (1 in each game) from being an 8th seed at 21-21 right now. Just on talent if Melo stays a Knick along with Rose and KP is back healthy we will be able to win 40% of our games. I know that we have lost many games but I could be wrong in the exact number but quite sure in games that KP, Melo and Rose all played we have a winning record (or .500). If KP comes back healthy after this achilles thing (which the Knicks should absolutely be sure about before they send him back in) then it's quite likely we begin to win many more games we have been.

I rather win 25 games than 35, but 35 is still where we are most likely to end up. Which will put us close but not completely out of the playoffs. Even now as bad as things are we are two good weeks of basketball away from being back in it. It's quite close. Of course we are two more bad weeks of ball away from being close to the bottom of the East. Anyway, point is, we should give KP at the 5, Melo at the 4 and Rose at the 2 a try. Until a trade is made or a decision is made on what's happening with Rose/Melo what else can Horny do? As a coach you have to try and win every game. We simply can not defend and play inconsistent down the stretch of games on offense. Perhaps better spacing and more speed will change how we play. No harm in trying. The way the top teams play, you have to believe that KP at 5 and Melo at 4 is where most of them would be playing on the better teams in the league. Spacing, speed and 3 point shooting have become critical elements to a succesful team. We have the capability to put forth speed, spacing and 3 point shooting if we put KP at 5, Melo at 4, Rose at 2 and some wings next to them that can shoot 3 pointers.

Yeah this pretty much is where i'm at. This team SHOULD be able to actually win more of these games with a healthy KP and some changes that you've highlighted. It's not like every game has been a blowout. They've lost a lot of close games.

There is no reason to win games if the plan is KP is the future. The plan should be to tank to get him a good/great running mate while he is on his rookie contract.

Sounds good. Since your ready to check out until four years from now, just stop watching and assume we are doing just that. See you in 2021..woo hoo. Smmfh

Vmart wrote:The guy has to clean up his act that is for sure. Disappointed in Phil for not speaking what he really wants. He wasn't suppose to ask do you want to build a snowman?

Were you in that meeting room? If so then tell us more cause there's no way of telling what they said and how they said it if it was only Phil and Melo in the room.

callmened wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:We might as well give it a try with KP at the 5, Melo at the 4, Rose at the 2 with Baker at point and hopefully Phil can trade for an athletic 3 that can defend soon. Melo ain't going anywhere. Might as well try to win. Will we win though? I doubt it. Not unless moving KP to the 5 Melo to 4 and Rose to the 2 has a major impact on how we play.

Hey IMO there's a very good shot that Melo n KP at the 4/5 can work well. Let them do it for a while and see what it looks like. I actually like how baker and Kuz have looked with a greater role.

We need to tank to see if we can recoup a top tier PG from this upcoming draft. I say, blow this the hell up around Melo and KP; then do what needs to be done. Melo doesn't want to leave? That's fine. That doesn't mean we have build around or with him either.

exactly. and i dont wanna hear "we have to win-now for melo". do whats right..even if that means tanking. thats what melo signed up 4

Teams do not tank. Where does anyone get that they think players and coaches tank cause i don't see it?

crzymdups wrote:The title of this thread is bogus. Phil gave Melo the no trade. As always, this is a situation Phil created that he's trying to blame on someone else.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mimPXcVG_Bs

That's the last time he said it a few days ago.

Think about that timeline. Dolan hires Phil and the first order of business is to make sure Melo stays. Are you going to let him walk? No way. Now I know it was a mistake and I even said so at the time. I was not a member of this board at the time, but kept harping on why we gave him the NTC. It was an awful move, Very calculated by Melo's camp. They knew he was coming into free agency playing on the lottery Knicks with Woodson and those vets from that year looking poor. That roster was not going anywhere. Melo had to know he may be in the lottery again a year or two. He also had to know that if he were, the Knicks trading him would gain traction. Just like it has the last year. That NTC gives him what he wanted. He stays the man in NY regardless of winning or losing. Mistake was Dolan's. Don't hire a person with zero front office experience to re-sign a star player who was not a MVP level player. To do all that for Melo, is ridiculous. Melo's a good player, a nice guy and a good teammate. I like him. Mistake was Dolan's. Just like trading for Melo in 2010. He should have waited in free agency and kept his young players that went to Denver. Dolan simply does not know how to build a winning team and get star stuck too quickly. Phil Jackson has been bad at many things but I appreciate his patience with draft picks and not hesitating. Having the balls to draft Kristaps when knowing plenty in New York would be upset (melo included) showed he is thinking about the long run. I still have faith in this franchise longterm so long as we keep drafting well and KP develops. KP is averaging better numbers than Dirk in his second year. Anyone want D'Angelo Russell or Mudiay now? We gotta draft well again this summer in 2017 and Phil needs to stop the infatuation with older vets like Lee, Noah and company. Get younger and athletic and give Horny a faster harder playing team. Melo at 4 will solve much of his problems. We got KP at 5, Melo at 4, Kuz at 3, Baker, Willy and Holiday, We got some young talent there around Melo. Got to draft well this summer and keep looking for steals like Willy in the second round. Oh, and no more signing or trading for VETS whose best days are behind them ala Calderon, Rose, Lee, Noah. The RoLo signing was very good. In hindsiht Phil should have just stuck with his instincts and kept RoLo and Grant, let them develop around KP. RoLo could have come off the bench as KP moved to 5. We'd be deeper and more athletic. No more trades messing with future. Lets stay consistent.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The title of this thread is bogus. Phil gave Melo the no trade. As always, this is a situation Phil created that he's trying to blame on someone else.

I believe Dolan wanted Melo to stay and help keep the Knicks relevant. Melo wanted the NTC because other top players got the NTC. Phil likely didn't want to just let a top talent leave and have nothing on the roster to build with. It's not just a simple thing. There are so few top players in this league and any new GM who comes to NY isn't going to want to have no big name talent. Right or wrong it's just the nature of the beast.

Well said and exactly right.

shinmen wrote:

smackeddog wrote:This isn't necessarily a bad thing- we don't want a repeat of the Ewing trade. I'd rather keep him and let him expire/ opt out than make a bad deal (which seems to be the only ones on offer)

That's very true. Our current predicament is based on the fact that we built our team with Melo in mind. As of now, it seems fair that Melo will enjoy the ride but it's not his ride anymore.

We now need to set this team up to where when Melo's contract is done we have multiple players coming off of contracts so we have a ton of money to spend and then build around KP. Melo isn't leaving so do what you can to get the right pieces for the next two years and if we win we win. We'll also be adding good young players through the draft the next 2/3 years so we should have some good young talent around KP already and then just add the right veterans around KP and the other young players and hope for the best.

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The title of this thread is bogus. Phil gave Melo the no trade. As always, this is a situation Phil created that he's trying to blame on someone else.

Steven A Smith is a Phil hater and Melo guy and Melo talks to him quite a bit and he even has given Phil a pass for the NTC. Smith has said again and again that Melo was not staying a Knick without that NTC.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mimPXcVG_Bs

That's the last time he said it a few days ago.

Think about that timeline. Dolan hires Phil and the first order of business is to make sure Melo stays. Are you going to let him walk? No way. Now I know it was a mistake and I even said so at the time. I was not a member of this board at the time, but kept harping on why we gave him the NTC. It was an awful move, Very calculated by Melo's camp. They knew he was coming into free agency playing on the lottery Knicks with Woodson and those vets from that year looking poor. That roster was not going anywhere. Melo had to know he may be in the lottery again a year or two. He also had to know that if he were, the Knicks trading him would gain traction. Just like it has the last year. That NTC gives him what he wanted. He stays the man in NY regardless of winning or losing. Mistake was Dolan's. Don't hire a person with zero front office experience to re-sign a star player who was not a MVP level player. To do all that for Melo, is ridiculous. Melo's a good player, a nice guy and a good teammate. I like him. Mistake was Dolan's. Just like trading for Melo in 2010. He should have waited in free agency and kept his young players that went to Denver. Dolan simply does not know how to build a winning team and get star stuck too quickly. Phil Jackson has been bad at many things but I appreciate his patience with draft picks and not hesitating. Having the balls to draft Kristaps when knowing plenty in New York would be upset (melo included) showed he is thinking about the long run. I still have faith in this franchise longterm so long as we keep drafting well and KP develops. KP is averaging better numbers than Dirk in his second year. Anyone want D'Angelo Russell or Mudiay now? We gotta draft well again this summer in 2017 and Phil needs to stop the infatuation with older vets like Lee, Noah and company. Get younger and athletic and give Horny a faster harder playing team. Melo at 4 will solve much of his problems. We got KP at 5, Melo at 4, Kuz at 3, Baker, Willy and Holiday, We got some young talent there around Melo. Got to draft well this summer and keep looking for steals like Willy in the second round. Oh, and no more signing or trading for VETS whose best days are behind them ala Calderon, Rose, Lee, Noah. The RoLo signing was very good. In hindsiht Phil should have just stuck with his instincts and kept RoLo and Grant, let them develop around KP. RoLo could have come off the bench as KP moved to 5. We'd be deeper and more athletic. No more trades messing with future. Lets stay consistent.

I doubt very much that SAS talks to Melo quite a bit and don't think Melo even likes him just like most other star players don't like him. SAS always acts like he's friends with a lot of players and any celebrity in sports or not and don't believe that to be true at all. He thinks that if these players do an after game interview with him that they're his friends but it's their job to talk to these reporters after games.