Knicks · Melo said he'd waive NTC if Knicks want to go in a different direction.....He just cracked open the door. (page 3)
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Kp is not a player you build around, he's a nice piece to the puzzle
We don't know that cuz really we haven't put the kid in that position. In fact they don't really use him right IMO. The players that should be helping to make the game easier for him don't do it. We haven't seen the best of this kid yet and I think it's giving you the false impression about his abilities. Imagine if KP had a PG that could set him up for more easy buckets? He's already more efficient than Melo or Rose and that's with an Achilles bothering him.
PLAYER FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS AFG%
Carmelo Anthony, SF 8.0 18.5 .431 2.0 5.6 .360 4.3 5.2 0.84 6.0 12.9 .462 1.207 0.49
Kristaps Porzingis, PF 7.0 15.6 .451 2.1 5.2 .396 3.2 4.1 0.79 4.9 10.4 .478 1.239 0.52
Derrick Rose, PG 7.2 15.7 .456 0.3 1.3 .245 3.2 3.7 0.86 6.9 14.4 .474 1.135 0.47
CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Kp is not a player you build around, he's a nice piece to the puzzle
We don't know that cuz really we haven't put the kid in that position. In fact they don't really use him right IMO. The players that should be helping to make the game easier for him don't do it. We haven't seen the best of this kid yet and I think it's giving you the false impression about his abilities. Imagine if KP had a PG that could set him up for more easy buckets? He's already more efficient than Melo or Rose and that's with an Achilles bothering him.
PLAYER FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS AFG%
Carmelo Anthony, SF 8.0 18.5 .431 2.0 5.6 .360 4.3 5.2 0.84 6.0 12.9 .462 1.207 0.49
Kristaps Porzingis, PF 7.0 15.6 .451 2.1 5.2 .396 3.2 4.1 0.79 4.9 10.4 .478 1.239 0.52
Derrick Rose, PG 7.2 15.7 .456 0.3 1.3 .245 3.2 3.7 0.86 6.9 14.4 .474 1.135 0.47
Well if you're a "Hero with a Thousand Faces" fan you'll recognise Melo as one of those life helpers who show up to guide you down the road. Melo was that for Porzingis. The next set of challenges will require a different set of allies yet to be determined.
CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
fwk00 wrote:He did say it best. Paraphrasing, Phil used to call guys out in the media but he had to face them the next day at practice, at the game or on the plane. He doesn't have that relationship with the players now. You still don't get that the way the message was conveyed was wrong do you. Also, who signed every player on the roster and hired the coaching staff?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:He did say it best. Paraphrasing, Phil used to call guys out in the media but he had to face them the next day at practice, at the game or on the plane. He doesn't have that relationship with the players now. You still don't get that the way the message was conveyed was wrong do you. Also, who signed every player on the roster and hired the coaching staff?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
Phil, paraphrasing, "Count the rings."
fwk00 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Kp is not a player you build around, he's a nice piece to the puzzle
We don't know that cuz really we haven't put the kid in that position. In fact they don't really use him right IMO. The players that should be helping to make the game easier for him don't do it. We haven't seen the best of this kid yet and I think it's giving you the false impression about his abilities. Imagine if KP had a PG that could set him up for more easy buckets? He's already more efficient than Melo or Rose and that's with an Achilles bothering him.
PLAYER FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS AFG%
Carmelo Anthony, SF 8.0 18.5 .431 2.0 5.6 .360 4.3 5.2 0.84 6.0 12.9 .462 1.207 0.49
Kristaps Porzingis, PF 7.0 15.6 .451 2.1 5.2 .396 3.2 4.1 0.79 4.9 10.4 .478 1.239 0.52
Derrick Rose, PG 7.2 15.7 .456 0.3 1.3 .245 3.2 3.7 0.86 6.9 14.4 .474 1.135 0.47Well if you're a "Hero with a Thousand Faces" fan you'll recognise Melo as one of those life helpers who show up to guide you down the road. Melo was that for Porzingis. The next set of challenges will require a different set of allies yet to be determined.
I think the task of building around KP is not an automatic just cuz we trade Melo. The task of building a title contender is not easy but the future is obviously going to be built around KP. Even now I feel KP needs more touches and especially needs to have some things run for him. Give the kid some down screens and some catch and shoot looks so he can get a good feel and get in rhythm. Get him the ball on the move rather than having to always create something on his own.
fwk00 wrote:Count the wins as gm. How long until the Knicks get back to pre-Phil 37 wins? His team has won 68 games in 4 years. Count the rings. The Knicks won 91 games the two years prior to Phil.CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:He did say it best. Paraphrasing, Phil used to call guys out in the media but he had to face them the next day at practice, at the game or on the plane. He doesn't have that relationship with the players now. You still don't get that the way the message was conveyed was wrong do you. Also, who signed every player on the roster and hired the coaching staff?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
Phil, paraphrasing, "Count the rings."
nixluva wrote:fwk00 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Kp is not a player you build around, he's a nice piece to the puzzle
We don't know that cuz really we haven't put the kid in that position. In fact they don't really use him right IMO. The players that should be helping to make the game easier for him don't do it. We haven't seen the best of this kid yet and I think it's giving you the false impression about his abilities. Imagine if KP had a PG that could set him up for more easy buckets? He's already more efficient than Melo or Rose and that's with an Achilles bothering him.
PLAYER FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS AFG%
Carmelo Anthony, SF 8.0 18.5 .431 2.0 5.6 .360 4.3 5.2 0.84 6.0 12.9 .462 1.207 0.49
Kristaps Porzingis, PF 7.0 15.6 .451 2.1 5.2 .396 3.2 4.1 0.79 4.9 10.4 .478 1.239 0.52
Derrick Rose, PG 7.2 15.7 .456 0.3 1.3 .245 3.2 3.7 0.86 6.9 14.4 .474 1.135 0.47Well if you're a "Hero with a Thousand Faces" fan you'll recognise Melo as one of those life helpers who show up to guide you down the road. Melo was that for Porzingis. The next set of challenges will require a different set of allies yet to be determined.
I think the task of building around KP is not an automatic just cuz we trade Melo. The task of building a title contender is not easy but the future is obviously going to be built around KP. Even now I feel KP needs more touches and especially needs to have some things run for him. Give the kid some down screens and some catch and shoot looks so he can get a good feel and get in rhythm. Get him the ball on the move rather than having to always create something on his own.
Yes. building around KP has already taken shape. Trade Jennings and send Noah to the bench and the team is much more formidable even without Melo. KP will be fine.
CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Count the wins as gm. How long until the Knicks get back to pre-Phil 37 wins? His team has won 68 games in 4 years. Count the rings. The Knicks won 91 games the two years prior to Phil.CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:He did say it best. Paraphrasing, Phil used to call guys out in the media but he had to face them the next day at practice, at the game or on the plane. He doesn't have that relationship with the players now. You still don't get that the way the message was conveyed was wrong do you. Also, who signed every player on the roster and hired the coaching staff?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
Phil, paraphrasing, "Count the rings."
Ah yes. The D'Antoni and afterburner years - a high point. Wish D'Ant was still here. How many years was it to build into those wins? Phil inherited cruft and lottery debt like no one else. I like this team.
fwk00 wrote:D'Antoni had arguably the best front court in the nba and he couldn't get that team to .500. D'Antoni wasn't coaching the Lakers for 2 full years yet he managed to go 20 games under .500.CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Count the wins as gm. How long until the Knicks get back to pre-Phil 37 wins? His team has won 68 games in 4 years. Count the rings. The Knicks won 91 games the two years prior to Phil.CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:He did say it best. Paraphrasing, Phil used to call guys out in the media but he had to face them the next day at practice, at the game or on the plane. He doesn't have that relationship with the players now. You still don't get that the way the message was conveyed was wrong do you. Also, who signed every player on the roster and hired the coaching staff?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
Phil, paraphrasing, "Count the rings."
Ah yes. The D'Antoni and afterburner years - a high point. Wish D'Ant was still here. How many years was it to build into those wins? Phil inherited cruft and lottery debt like no one else. I like this team.
In regards to how many years did it take to get to the 54 wins, D'Antoni was 2 games over .500 the year before he resigned. However, would you agree that the team started winning more when Grunwald took over and tried to build a more traditional team? He was below .500 when he left and the Knicks went 18-6 after he left and were able to make the playoffs.
He tore apart the roster he inherited, shedding the coach and every player but one — Carmelo Anthony — from the team that had missed out on a playoff berth by one game and a season earlier had won 54 games. The plan misfired twice with the Knicks posting a franchise-worst, 17-win season in Jackson’s first full year and then putting up a 32-50 season last year, with Jackson’s first coach being fired in the process.In the latest incarnation of the rebuild, Jackson abandoned the careful chemistry building he had promised and shredded the roster again, this time bringing in a win-now group that on paper, in their best days, looked good enough that one of them even uttered the words "super team" to describe them.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba...
CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:D'Antoni had arguably the best front court in the nba and he couldn't get that team to .500. D'Antoni wasn't coaching the Lakers for 2 full years yet he managed to go 20 games under .500.CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Count the wins as gm. How long until the Knicks get back to pre-Phil 37 wins? His team has won 68 games in 4 years. Count the rings. The Knicks won 91 games the two years prior to Phil.CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:He did say it best. Paraphrasing, Phil used to call guys out in the media but he had to face them the next day at practice, at the game or on the plane. He doesn't have that relationship with the players now. You still don't get that the way the message was conveyed was wrong do you. Also, who signed every player on the roster and hired the coaching staff?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
Phil, paraphrasing, "Count the rings."
Ah yes. The D'Antoni and afterburner years - a high point. Wish D'Ant was still here. How many years was it to build into those wins? Phil inherited cruft and lottery debt like no one else. I like this team.
In regards to how many years did it take to get to the 54 wins, D'Antoni was 2 games over .500 the year before he resigned. However, would you agree that the team started winning more when Grunwald took over and tried to build a more traditional team? He was below .500 when he left and the Knicks went 18-6 after he left and were able to make the playoffs.
And Grunwald made the Bargnani trade. So the fans ran him out of town. What's new. The quality of leadership has nothing to do with anything. Do one thing perceived as a mistake and there's the door. Next sucker...
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Kp is not a player you build around, he's a nice piece to the puzzle
Most would disagree with this. His talent is as great as any young player in the league. Most GMs would be perfectly confident they can build a team around his talent and skillset and turn him into a superstar with time.
Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Kp is not a player you build around, he's a nice piece to the puzzle
Most would disagree with this. His talent is as great as any young player in the league. Most GMs would be perfectly confident they can build a team around his talent and skillset and turn him into a superstar with time.
Agee. I don't remember a player with such poise and potential. Honestly right from the start he flashed. That game in Charlotte where isiah on tv said KP would win the game and he would have but for slightly too long fingers
I'm also perfectly fine w Phil's tear downs. Yes consistency and patience have a nice ring to it. But many in the business world know you also have to cut your loses early. The key to success is being able to judge whether something is a loss or something to be patient with. I for one trust his judgment
BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysHere we go again. Another 10 years with nothing to show for it. We are too quick to pull the trigger. Melo still can play. If we can't get a first round pick and a second round plus a good player in return. Let the man retire a Knick. Phil will not bring a championship team to New York.
+1
Imagine letting a real star actually retire with the team.GM's don't bring championships. Coaches don't bring championships. Players do. You can GM/Prez or coach the living sheehit out of the league all day long, but the players still have to play.
"The game has always been about buckets" - Russ.
Yeah why didn't we have Spencer Haywood retire a Knick? Let's get real Carmelo Anthony doesn't hold Patrick Ewings jock he's not a true Kbick and the goal of the Nba is to actually win a chip . If the standard now is to spend a half billion to get someone who has gone through half their career with another team- we got that covered
You're right that Melo is no P.Ewing but he's definitely a true Knick. All the years people complained on here that stars don't want to play in New York but we finally get one that not only wanted to be here but still wants to be here when the times are tough and when he knows he could of been traded to a championship team last season and this season but still made it well known that he loves it here and loves being a Knick and loves the city of New York and even made the comment that winning one championship in New York would be better than winning multiple championships elsewhere.
No matter what ends up happening with Melo i hope he gets the respect due to him from all Knicks fans no matter what and will always be considered a great New York Knick. It would be well deserved.
fwk00 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Bingo. Melo is a player without a position in a Hornacek lineup. He slows down the offense wherever you put him and he is always a second slow on defense. Yeah, he's a good trooper, fine person, great basketball player but... no longer a fit here... his window has closed [and it is sad].There's nothing malicious in Phil's intentions or Melo's - time to cut bait. Melo has time to play for a unit somewhere else that *CAN* win - god bless him if he and Phil can make that happen.
And none of this is a reflection on this team's chances to turn it around. Without Melo they could be meaner and leaner, faster, and a better defensive unit. There's a reasonable balance that could be established without him regardless of reciprocal assets arriving.
He actually is a fit but they just recently decided to put him where he fits at the 4 spot. The reason why you can say he doesn't even fit at the 4 spot would be because of what happens to some players around him if he's playing the 4 spot like having to bench Noah and having to play KP at the 5 which he's not ready for when it comes to his size/width and then we have Billy, KOQ, Plumlee who all the minutes would go down with Melo at the 4, so he has a fit but the team isn't constructed correctly for him to play full time at the 4.
fwk00 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:He did say it best. Paraphrasing, Phil used to call guys out in the media but he had to face them the next day at practice, at the game or on the plane. He doesn't have that relationship with the players now. You still don't get that the way the message was conveyed was wrong do you. Also, who signed every player on the roster and hired the coaching staff?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Same question, what club president leaks stuff to the media about their star? Phil isn't coaching and seeing his players every day. Melo had to lobby for a meeting to clear the air. And as he said he is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him directly. Do you prefer criticism being direct or through the media?CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:Melo absolutely has to answer questions about the Knicks and how they play. Did you think that was the reference to answering questions? He is having to answer questions about what Phil says to the media. Phil leaks it and then disappears and doesn't respond to media even when he is cornered. Melo doesn't have that option. Melo makes a lot of money but is there another club president that puts his star player in that position?CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:CrushAlot wrote:EnySpree wrote:Is that what you really think?CrushAlot wrote:Bryan Gibberman was a guest on Locked on Knicks today. One of his comments was that he could not believe how mature Melo has handled this situation as opposed to how Phil has handled it.Why cuz Phil won't talk to them?
Yeah... Melo is addressing the media and Phil isn't. Of course media guys are going to take a shit at him. That's so mature
Going through Charlie Rosen is mature? Phil has 11 rings. He is in charge. Melo has to fight to get a conversation with him yet Phil can blast him through the media and he isn't addressing the media. I guess you see what you want.
Reggie Miller layed it out perfectly last night. He said Phil used to do this when he was a coach but when he did it he would have to see the guy he did it to the next day at practice, on the plane or at a game. He doesn't see or communicate with the players often now. Melo called it. He is there everyday if Phil wants to talk with him. He also has to deal with the media daily asking him about Phil's critique. It doesn't need to be done through Rosen or the media. Be the boss and say what you need to in person.Melo is an employee who received lots and lots of money to play and win ball games. I hope you all are not asking me o feel sorry that Melo has to answer questions with the media because that's part of the job description. Another part of the job description is that the Knicks will shower him with money - more than he can spend in a lifetime - to... well, win games. If the press is asking why, um... the Knicks aren't winning games then its on Melo - not Phil, not Dolan, not the tooth fairy to be accountable.
Secondly, Phil has ZERO obligation to suddenly answer every media generated rumor as we close in on the trade deadline because that's a FOOL'S ERRAND that I'm glad Phil doesn't fall for. Thank you, Phil.
As for what happened in a meeting - its easy to speculate given what has occurred. Melo said hey, "What the hell?" Phil says, "Not my shit but where there's smoke there's fire. You want out?" Melo: "No. I think we can turn this around." Phil: "OK but you should think about how much more you want to invest - you aren't getting younger." Melo: "I'll get back to you."
For Melo, the Wizards loss was a backbreaker. Salvaging the season may not be possible and he wants some playoff action.
Also a trade rumor was floating around of a three way where Melo lands in CLE with Lebron and JR. Lakers and Knicks echange some assets. CLE send assets to LA.
If you're Melo and that's on the table you have to think twice.
Just my two cents.
There is only speculation that Phil "leaked" anything. And Melo's response should be, "Not my monkey, not my circus. End of story." Phil has every right to confide in friends and staff. But the comments we're talking about aren't a dark secret. Just read this forum. Phil was being kind if that's all there was to it.
Reggie Miller said it best, "Never mind explaining that criticism, explain a 19 and 24 record." Yous still don't get it do you?
Phil, paraphrasing, "Count the rings."
Fauk the rings man, those rings mean absolutely nothing for the situation he's in with the Knicks.
Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:It does seem like Melo is warming to the idea of dropping his NTC. Comments are starting to leak that he would do it IF the Knicks were seriously ready to rebuild. It's perhaps a result of the losing starting to wear on him or maybe his people are talking him into it. Whatever the reason, it seems like Melo is less resistant to the idea of a trade now.Part of me wants him to stay but I can see that this is a team that looks ready to move on and build around KP. As great of a scorer as Melo is it doesn't lead to wins. The formula for building this team into a winner simply isn't there with Melo in the mix. They probably need to restructure this team with a different formula and maybe Melo is starting to see that.
Kp is not a player you build around, he's a nice piece to the puzzle
Most would disagree with this. His talent is as great as any young player in the league. Most GMs would be perfectly confident they can build a team around his talent and skillset and turn him into a superstar with time.
Building around KP is just fine but that doesn't mean every player needs to be fresh out of college or as young or younger that KP. We would need to put a couple of veterans around him as well especially at the PG spot. There's so many ways to build a team but KP is and should be the center piece.
Here we go again. I really don't think star players like playing in New York and have a problem with New York press and fans who will jump your bones in a second.
If we just give Melo away with nothing in return. We will still suck for the next 10 years and maybe the next 40 years and maybe some of you young guys who see it easy to rebuild will think twice when you are waiting 40 years for a championship. Now some of you are starting to doubt KP 
Its in the Knicks fans DNA