Knicks · Knicks have reached out to Boston and Clippers about Melo (page 3)
The Cavs get LeBron's best friend and another guy that can be a lead scorer on a team. They also get their pick of Rozier or Marcus Smart who might be able to fill the "playermaker" void that LeBron describes for a guard off the bench.
Celtics upgrade their talent-base without hurting their cache of assets. Yes, they might end up with a less valuable pick in 2017 and 2018 BUT both still will likely be in the lottery, which allows them to parlay them yet again for more tangible assets (i.e. rotation players). Even more important still is that they maintain their core, in particular Jae Crowder who is a grossly underrated player while adding a double-double floor spacer in Kevin Love.
We, on the other hand, maximize our draft potential by effectively having two chances to win the lottery through our pick OR the Nets' pick. That would be far more practical to both teams (BOS and NYK) than us owning the pick outright. I also wouldn't mind taking a flier on Jaylen Brown in spite of being skeptical of his abilities as a player.
NardDogNation wrote:It wouldn't be the bk pick. It would be the Celtics pick or another one that they acquired. I don't think they can send a pick before 2018.joec32033 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
exactly my point..
The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
NardDogNation wrote:joec32033 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
exactly my point..
The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.
TripleThreat wrote:Phil is the one that wants him to go. Phil is the one that gave him the ntc and the trade kicker. But if Phil moves him for a package like it would be horrible. Reports are that Phil wants to get younger and build around KP. He would be adding a player four years older than Melo and another the exact same age. Also, the Clippers don't have picks to trade. There is no reason to do that deal for the Knicks.smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful. Reddick said he didn't like ny last time he was traded but you could pass him on to another team for a pick (he's expiring). Rivers is not worth taking on Crawford for. Awful trade.I'm happy with any Boston deal- picks or players I'd be happy with either.
Then you better plan to be furious.Knicks have zero leverage. Melo will only waive his NTC to go to a large market with "branding" opportunities, a chance to win and to get all his money with the trade kicker. The NTC is bad enough, the trade kicker is brutal.
Melo can say No and sulk until Jackson has no choice but to move him for pennies on the dollar to the Clippers.
Knicks can little now, or wait until Melo sulks and tries to poison the lockerroom to get out, in which case the Knicks little leverage weakens and they get even less.
Pennies on the dollar, the Knicks are not getting good assets here in return. They don't have the leverage to do so. The ONLY thing the Knicks have in their favor is the deadline itself. If not by then, a team hoping to push hard will have lost their best opportunity. That's it, that's all the Knicks have, a crunch against time working for them.
If the Knicks wait until the offseason, they risk Melo getting hurt ( and his trade value goes to zero) and he'll be a little bit older and teams will consider FA instead of a trade.
Trading him now for 25 cents on the dollar is better than trading him at the deadline for 15 cents on the dollar which is better than trading him in the offseason for about 8 cents on the dollar.
Knicks will have to bit the bullet and take in at least one bad contract.
joec32033 wrote:I heard Crowder, Smart, Amir Johnson and a first round pick that wasn't bks.NardDogNation wrote:joec32033 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
exactly my point..
The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.
dacash wrote:just read the knicks dont even want to break up the clips big 3 to offer melo to them. they will take filler just to get rid of him if this is true then it stinks. phil is pissed at melo so begone for crap players not good at allIt doesn't make a lot of sense. He was right that the Knicks needed to move on from Tyson, JR and Shump. But he made those moves and got nothing for those players.
CrushAlot wrote:joec32033 wrote:I heard Crowder, Smart, Amir Johnson and a first round pick that wasn't bks.NardDogNation wrote:joec32033 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
exactly my point..
The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.
I just can't see the Celtics breaking up their core to acquire Melo. Seems unncessarily risky especially when you consider that they do have other assets to get a deal done. I also have to ask, if you're moving all those defensive players, who is going to make up for the fact that Melo and Isiah Thomas are minus defenders?
joec32033 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:joec32033 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
exactly my point..
The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.
Ok but the deal still doesn't make any sense when you consider that the Celtics need those versatile defenders to make Isiah Thomas and Melo work on that end of the floor.
NardDogNation wrote:The guy that I heard talk about the rumor was Mannix. Mannix said Phil regrets not taking Crowder in the Tyson deal and also said Melo would be taking Crowder's spot in the line up. I agree that the defense suffers but Mannix's point was that having just one scorer wouldn't work in the playoffs and that Melo would be a huge get for them. I think Johnson is gone at the deadline or after this season anyway. Mannix also mentioned that they have too many back court players and that they would need to break that up. I believe several of the back court players all become free agents at the same time and they wouldn't be able to resign all of them.CrushAlot wrote:joec32033 wrote:I heard Crowder, Smart, Amir Johnson and a first round pick that wasn't bks.NardDogNation wrote:joec32033 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
exactly my point..
The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.
I just can't see the Celtics breaking up their core to acquire Melo. Seems unncessarily risky especially when you consider that they do have other assets to get a deal done. I also have to ask, if you're moving all those defensive players, who is going to make up for the fact that Melo and Isiah Thomas are minus defenders?
CrushAlot wrote:NardDogNation wrote:The guy that I heard talk about the rumor was Mannix. Mannix said Phil regrets not taking Crowder in the Tyson deal and also said Melo would be taking Crowder's spot in the line up. I agree that the defense suffers but Mannix's point was that having just one scorer wouldn't work in the playoffs and that Melo would be a huge get for them. I think Johnson is gone at the deadline or after this season anyway. Mannix also mentioned that they have too many back court players and that they would need to break that up. I believe several of the back court players all become free agents at the same time and they wouldn't be able to resign all of them.CrushAlot wrote:joec32033 wrote:I heard Crowder, Smart, Amir Johnson and a first round pick that wasn't bks.NardDogNation wrote:joec32033 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
exactly my point..
The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.
I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.
I just can't see the Celtics breaking up their core to acquire Melo. Seems unncessarily risky especially when you consider that they do have other assets to get a deal done. I also have to ask, if you're moving all those defensive players, who is going to make up for the fact that Melo and Isiah Thomas are minus defenders?
I hear you man. Sometimes I wonder how these rumors get started though because I also don't get the deal from our perspective. If we're moving Melo, why aren't we trying to tank the season instead of bringing in good role players that will prevent us from doing so to the fullest?
nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:It's unfortunate that Boston probably won't deal the Nets pick and that's the only 1st round pick they have this year. Jaylen Brown is an interesting option due to his upside. Maybe we get next year's pick (the one from Boston, not the Nets.) I don't see us getting much more from them though. Is Brown, a 2018 1st round pick (Boston pick) and expiring contracts enough for everyone?I suppose that would be good tho I would think some would want more given Melo pushes Boston higher and maybe more competitive with the Cavs. Boston should not play cheap on this one.
Brown was the 3rd pick in the draft at a position of need , its good enough especially if we get Crowder too. To be honest I think Boston would be stupid to trade for Melo. With the Nets pick and Brown they have the makings of a peaking core when Lebron declines
dacash wrote:just read the knicks dont even want to break up the clips big 3 to offer melo to them. they will take filler just to get rid of him if this is true then it stinks. phil is pissed at melo so begone for crap players not good at all
Phil's emotions are involved, and I'm sure that meeting had a lot to do with it.
dacash wrote:just read the knicks dont even want to break up the clips big 3 to offer melo to them. they will take filler just to get rid of him if this is true then it stinks. phil is pissed at melo so begone for crap players not good at allSeth Rosenthal was on Locked on Knicks. He said that the part about not getting Blake might have been leaked but that there might be a third team involved that would get Blake (i.e. Celtics or Magic) and the Knicks would get young players/picks. The Clips deal as proposed makes no sense. Same money, same length of contracts, getting older instead of younger etc. Clips can't trade their pick until 2021.
CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
It's so funny how when we all just talk trading any of our guys we want gone before any rumors even start people on here will be saying there's no way we can trade that guy and get anything in return for them cause nobody wants them and then when we trade that player the same people cry and whine saying we could of got more for that player...hahaha. People did it with T.Chandler, People did it with JR and now people will do it if we trade Melo. It's really pretty funny but also quite annoying.
newyorker4ever wrote:I don't neccessarily want Melo gone especially if Phil is negotiating the deal. But the reported purpose for moving him is to get younger and get out from his contract. That deal makes the Knicks older, less talented and locked into the same amount of money for the same length of time. Is anyone endorsing that deal on this board?CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
It's so funny how when we all just talk trading any of our guys we want gone before any rumors even start people on here will be saying there's no way we can trade that guy and get anything in return for them cause nobody wants them and then when we trade that player the same people cry and whine saying we could of got more for that player...hahaha. People did it with T.Chandler, People did it with JR and now people will do it if we trade Melo. It's really pretty funny but also quite annoying.
CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I don't neccessarily want Melo gone especially if Phil is negotiating the deal. But the reported purpose for moving him is to get younger and get out from his contract. That deal makes the Knicks older, less talented and locked into the same amount of money for the same length of time. Is anyone endorsing that deal on this board?CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
It's so funny how when we all just talk trading any of our guys we want gone before any rumors even start people on here will be saying there's no way we can trade that guy and get anything in return for them cause nobody wants them and then when we trade that player the same people cry and whine saying we could of got more for that player...hahaha. People did it with T.Chandler, People did it with JR and now people will do it if we trade Melo. It's really pretty funny but also quite annoying.
I don't know what the final deal is gonna be but I can't imagine the final deal will be exactly what the rumors are stating.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:I don't neccessarily want Melo gone especially if Phil is negotiating the deal. But the reported purpose for moving him is to get younger and get out from his contract. That deal makes the Knicks older, less talented and locked into the same amount of money for the same length of time. Is anyone endorsing that deal on this board?CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:smackeddog wrote:Andrew wrote:smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.
Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!
The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil
I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG
like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $
That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity
Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.
It's so funny how when we all just talk trading any of our guys we want gone before any rumors even start people on here will be saying there's no way we can trade that guy and get anything in return for them cause nobody wants them and then when we trade that player the same people cry and whine saying we could of got more for that player...hahaha. People did it with T.Chandler, People did it with JR and now people will do it if we trade Melo. It's really pretty funny but also quite annoying.
I don't know what the final deal is gonna be but I can't imagine the final deal will be exactly what the rumors are stating.
You're probably right Nix, knowing Phil it will probably be worst.
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^Mannix said he thought that if the Celtics could add Melo they take Cleveland to 7 games in the playoffs.
Thanks CrushAlot. You hit in every point I was going to in that series of posts.