Knicks · Knicks have reached out to Boston and Clippers about Melo (page 8)

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying Boston turned them down and Clips want Lee, not Melo.

sold

Who do you want back, realistically?

JJ Reddick, other expiring contracts, and a first. So I'm not asking for much. But i'd feel pretty good if what they would have paid for Melo we get back with Lee

Redick doesn't like ny, he said so last time he was traded, so you only get him if you plan to move him straight away for a pick

smackeddog wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying Boston turned them down and Clips want Lee, not Melo.

sold

Who do you want back, realistically?

JJ Reddick, other expiring contracts, and a first. So I'm not asking for much. But i'd feel pretty good if what they would have paid for Melo we get back with Lee

Redick doesn't like ny, he said so last time he was traded, so you only get him if you plan to move him straight away for a pick

I don't believe he has say in the matter, and I don't really want to trade for him to retain him... so to me this is an irrelevant issue

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying Boston turned them down and Clips want Lee, not Melo.

sold

Clippers want Lee AND Melo.

You sure? I read it was just Lee, link?

Does that mean that Blake comes as well?

I read we can't take Blake's contract because of some bizarre CBA rule that makes no sense.

why not try to understand the clause instead of just saying it makes no sense? it's really not that hard to comprehend.

after the 2011 lockout if a player was ever designated after their rookie contract was up, teams could sign the player to a higher max contract to keep them. you get the designated tag by one or more of the following ways...being named the league MVP, being twice named to the all-nba team, or being a two-time starter in the all-star game. theres only been a handful of guys that have ever achieved this, so the rule states you can only have one of these players on your team at a time if you acquired the player via trade. so since rose is on the roster already, that means we can't have griffin too.

the nba wants these home-grown players staying with the teams that drafted them, hence the clause, making it harder for other teams to acquire them.

He's about to hit 33 yrs old.
He's an offense only player (pretty much)
He comes with two more years and $54 million left and that's not including the trade kicker.
Any team that does take him is in win now mode and adding a player like Melo will definitely come with an adjustment period for the rest of the team
The only teams on his list (that we know of anyway) are teams that don't have the type of assets we would like in return of young players and draft picks (Clev, Clips)

We also need to remember that one of the biggest things we'd get in return from trading Melo is getting rid of those two years and $54 million which we could use and add to that the money we get from Rose and Jennings coming off the books. I understand that we all want as many assets that we can get from trading a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony but i just don't see a trade with the limited teams he'll accept a trade to that will get us what we would like. I'm not saying we won't get anything but bad contracts in return for Melo cause if Phil can show patience with trading him i would think a team would eventually step up and give us at least a 1st round pick for him and probably more but he would need to hold out as long as possible to do that.

I think you have to ask yourself if we're better off with or without Melo for the next 2 and a half years?
Are we better off going with a complete rebuild cause if we are then Melo has to go for that to happen?
Are you ready for at least 3 years of being an average to bad team which is at least the amount of years it will take to get the team respectful enough to start competing every night?

The best thing that could happen for us with this is Melo giving Phil more teams that he would accept a trade to. If he could put Boston, Washington and any other teams that have young players and draft picks to trade that would be big for us. If he doesn't add teams to his wish list then the only other thing that could happen that would help us to get a good return for him is if we can get a 3rd team in any deal with Clev or the Clips.

My biggest point in this is it's not all that bad if we don't get the kind of return we all would like for him cause just getting rid of the last two years on his contract helps us in a true rebuild.

Nalod wrote:Can't believe a thing until the deadline has come and gone.
A trade is a long shot.

Agreed. Melo not likely to e traded during the season.

newyorker4ever wrote:I said this in another thread yesterday but you have to keep in mind what teams would have to take on if they trade for Melo which should give you an idea of why you shouldn't expect a big return for him.

He's about to hit 33 yrs old.
He's an offense only player (pretty much)
He comes with two more years and $54 million left and that's not including the trade kicker.
Any team that does take him is in win now mode and adding a player like Melo will definitely come with an adjustment period for the rest of the team
The only teams on his list (that we know of anyway) are teams that don't have the type of assets we would like in return of young players and draft picks (Clev, Clips)

We also need to remember that one of the biggest things we'd get in return from trading Melo is getting rid of those two years and $54 million which we could use and add to that the money we get from Rose and Jennings coming off the books. I understand that we all want as many assets that we can get from trading a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony but i just don't see a trade with the limited teams he'll accept a trade to that will get us what we would like. I'm not saying we won't get anything but bad contracts in return for Melo cause if Phil can show patience with trading him i would think a team would eventually step up and give us at least a 1st round pick for him and probably more but he would need to hold out as long as possible to do that.

I think you have to ask yourself if we're better off with or without Melo for the next 2 and a half years?
Are we better off going with a complete rebuild cause if we are then Melo has to go for that to happen?
Are you ready for at least 3 years of being an average to bad team which is at least the amount of years it will take to get the team respectful enough to start competing every night?

The best thing that could happen for us with this is Melo giving Phil more teams that he would accept a trade to. If he could put Boston, Washington and any other teams that have young players and draft picks to trade that would be big for us. If he doesn't add teams to his wish list then the only other thing that could happen that would help us to get a good return for him is if we can get a 3rd team in any deal with Clev or the Clips.

My biggest point in this is it's not all that bad if we don't get the kind of return we all would like for him cause just getting rid of the last two years on his contract helps us in a true rebuild.

If we're not getting a lottery pick in THIS draft class, then it's not worth trading him for bubkis. We need value, otherwise Dolan will prefer to have the marquee name. He's not going to allow Jax to trade our star player (regardless of his disinterest in defense, he's still an elite scorer) for crap contracts or average players. Why would he do that? It'd be stupid.

newyorker4ever wrote:I said this in another thread yesterday but you have to keep in mind what teams would have to take on if they trade for Melo which should give you an idea of why you shouldn't expect a big return for him.

He's about to hit 33 yrs old.
He's an offense only player (pretty much)
He comes with two more years and $54 million left and that's not including the trade kicker.
Any team that does take him is in win now mode and adding a player like Melo will definitely come with an adjustment period for the rest of the team
The only teams on his list (that we know of anyway) are teams that don't have the type of assets we would like in return of young players and draft picks (Clev, Clips)

We also need to remember that one of the biggest things we'd get in return from trading Melo is getting rid of those two years and $54 million which we could use and add to that the money we get from Rose and Jennings coming off the books. I understand that we all want as many assets that we can get from trading a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony but i just don't see a trade with the limited teams he'll accept a trade to that will get us what we would like. I'm not saying we won't get anything but bad contracts in return for Melo cause if Phil can show patience with trading him i would think a team would eventually step up and give us at least a 1st round pick for him and probably more but he would need to hold out as long as possible to do that.

I think you have to ask yourself if we're better off with or without Melo for the next 2 and a half years?
Are we better off going with a complete rebuild cause if we are then Melo has to go for that to happen?
Are you ready for at least 3 years of being an average to bad team which is at least the amount of years it will take to get the team respectful enough to start competing every night?

The best thing that could happen for us with this is Melo giving Phil more teams that he would accept a trade to. If he could put Boston, Washington and any other teams that have young players and draft picks to trade that would be big for us. If he doesn't add teams to his wish list then the only other thing that could happen that would help us to get a good return for him is if we can get a 3rd team in any deal with Clev or the Clips.

My biggest point in this is it's not all that bad if we don't get the kind of return we all would like for him cause just getting rid of the last two years on his contract helps us in a true rebuild.

we won't get a haul IMO. And it's looking more and more like it will need to be a multi-team deal, if any reports are partially true (e.g., Celts don't want Melo). The two most likely landing spots would be Clips and Cavs. Clips won't part with big 3 and even if they wanted to, I suspect Melo would be reluctant to go -- how would that affect their odds of a championship. Perhaps something can be worked out with Blake and other teams but would be complicated. Cavs parting with Love has some logic to it, but still would seems like a multi team deal. Love to Celts, picks and players to NY, Melo (and Championship) to Cavs. Of all the landing spots this is the most logical to me in terms of fit. It could be the thing to put Cavs over GS. Lebron needs rest and Melo can spell Lebron in those moments being the guy. When Lebron and Melo play together it could be devastating because Lebron would be smart with the ball. This to me is the one that makes the most sense. We could even throw in Jennings if they need another pg, and if we can't expect much from haul for Melo, Celts might send assets to both NYC and Clevland in some manner to balance things out for Love.

Moonangie wrote:

Nalod wrote:Can't believe a thing until the deadline has come and gone.
A trade is a long shot.

Agreed. Melo not likely to e traded during the season.

I disagree. this is a prime year to move Melo to the cavs. they need to improve if they're going to seriously challenge GS, especially since they added KD. Lebron knows this and that's why he's going public

newyorker4ever wrote:I said this in another thread yesterday but you have to keep in mind what teams would have to take on if they trade for Melo which should give you an idea of why you shouldn't expect a big return for him.

He's about to hit 33 yrs old.
He's an offense only player (pretty much)
He comes with two more years and $54 million left and that's not including the trade kicker.
Any team that does take him is in win now mode and adding a player like Melo will definitely come with an adjustment period for the rest of the team
The only teams on his list (that we know of anyway) are teams that don't have the type of assets we would like in return of young players and draft picks (Clev, Clips)

We also need to remember that one of the biggest things we'd get in return from trading Melo is getting rid of those two years and $54 million which we could use and add to that the money we get from Rose and Jennings coming off the books. I understand that we all want as many assets that we can get from trading a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony but i just don't see a trade with the limited teams he'll accept a trade to that will get us what we would like. I'm not saying we won't get anything but bad contracts in return for Melo cause if Phil can show patience with trading him i would think a team would eventually step up and give us at least a 1st round pick for him and probably more but he would need to hold out as long as possible to do that.

I think you have to ask yourself if we're better off with or without Melo for the next 2 and a half years?
Are we better off going with a complete rebuild cause if we are then Melo has to go for that to happen?
Are you ready for at least 3 years of being an average to bad team which is at least the amount of years it will take to get the team respectful enough to start competing every night?

The best thing that could happen for us with this is Melo giving Phil more teams that he would accept a trade to. If he could put Boston, Washington and any other teams that have young players and draft picks to trade that would be big for us. If he doesn't add teams to his wish list then the only other thing that could happen that would help us to get a good return for him is if we can get a 3rd team in any deal with Clev or the Clips.

My biggest point in this is it's not all that bad if we don't get the kind of return we all would like for him cause just getting rid of the last two years on his contract helps us in a true rebuild.

So your saying the biggest reason we get rid of Melo, now, is to clear cap space? What happened to rebuilding? Getting draft picks? Making team better? Why not just waive him then? Phil would be happy. So we clear up 25M or so a year. Now what? We get two more guys like Noah and Lee for 25M. Then we bitch about them for the next few years? Seems to be like Phil's ego is so big he needs to reboot every time his cleansing does not work, because he cant face any bad decisions on his part. This will be his third time around for a reset. He has 2 more years, so how many more does he need? And pleas don't say, "yeah we got KP, WIlly and Kuz though". That was Gaines. And they have shown to be good but very inconsistent and have a long way to go before we crown them All Stars, starters or solid NBA players. And if we were going to tank three years in a row, why did we need Phil? Just higher really good international and college scouts.

yellowboy90 wrote:If their is no other team willing to take ob Melo why would the CLips give the Knicks any picks? Also, their picks are locked up until 2021 when they know they will need to rebuild by then.

If we can't get picks for Melo, should we just hold onto him? I'm warming to that idea if the market is what it allegedly is. If so, hopefully Melo excerises his NTC and we're still able to tank the rest of the season.

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I said this in another thread yesterday but you have to keep in mind what teams would have to take on if they trade for Melo which should give you an idea of why you shouldn't expect a big return for him.

He's about to hit 33 yrs old.
He's an offense only player (pretty much)
He comes with two more years and $54 million left and that's not including the trade kicker.
Any team that does take him is in win now mode and adding a player like Melo will definitely come with an adjustment period for the rest of the team
The only teams on his list (that we know of anyway) are teams that don't have the type of assets we would like in return of young players and draft picks (Clev, Clips)

We also need to remember that one of the biggest things we'd get in return from trading Melo is getting rid of those two years and $54 million which we could use and add to that the money we get from Rose and Jennings coming off the books. I understand that we all want as many assets that we can get from trading a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony but i just don't see a trade with the limited teams he'll accept a trade to that will get us what we would like. I'm not saying we won't get anything but bad contracts in return for Melo cause if Phil can show patience with trading him i would think a team would eventually step up and give us at least a 1st round pick for him and probably more but he would need to hold out as long as possible to do that.

I think you have to ask yourself if we're better off with or without Melo for the next 2 and a half years?
Are we better off going with a complete rebuild cause if we are then Melo has to go for that to happen?
Are you ready for at least 3 years of being an average to bad team which is at least the amount of years it will take to get the team respectful enough to start competing every night?

The best thing that could happen for us with this is Melo giving Phil more teams that he would accept a trade to. If he could put Boston, Washington and any other teams that have young players and draft picks to trade that would be big for us. If he doesn't add teams to his wish list then the only other thing that could happen that would help us to get a good return for him is if we can get a 3rd team in any deal with Clev or the Clips.

My biggest point in this is it's not all that bad if we don't get the kind of return we all would like for him cause just getting rid of the last two years on his contract helps us in a true rebuild.

So your saying the biggest reason we get rid of Melo, now, is to clear cap space? What happened to rebuilding? Getting draft picks? Making team better? Why not just waive him then? Phil would be happy. So we clear up 25M or so a year. Now what? We get two more guys like Noah and Lee for 25M. Then we bitch about them for the next few years? Seems to be like Phil's ego is so big he needs to reboot every time his cleansing does not work, because he cant face any bad decisions on his part. This will be his third time around for a reset. He has 2 more years, so how many more does he need? And pleas don't say, "yeah we got KP, WIlly and Kuz though". That was Gaines. And they have shown to be good but very inconsistent and have a long way to go before we crown them All Stars, starters or solid NBA players. And if we were going to tank three years in a row, why did we need Phil? Just higher really good international and college scouts.

Phil was doing two things at once. Giving it a go with Melo and some vets while also continuing to bring in youth and retain our picks and cap flexibility!!! People tend to keep forgetting these facts. Phil has maintained a degree of flexibility which other Knicks GM's failed to do. Who else did what Phil has in terms of keeping his options open???

Chandler wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Nalod wrote:Can't believe a thing until the deadline has come and gone.
A trade is a long shot.

Agreed. Melo not likely to e traded during the season.

I disagree. this is a prime year to move Melo to the cavs. they need to improve if they're going to seriously challenge GS, especially since they added KD. Lebron knows this and that's why he's going public

We'd have to strengthen their backcourt bench in the process. If we do, I'd see them making the deal with Love. The question now is what veteran PG is available that can play D and hit the open 3?

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Nalod wrote:Can't believe a thing until the deadline has come and gone.
A trade is a long shot.

Agreed. Melo not likely to e traded during the season.

I disagree. this is a prime year to move Melo to the cavs. they need to improve if they're going to seriously challenge GS, especially since they added KD. Lebron knows this and that's why he's going public

We'd have to strengthen their backcourt bench in the process. If we do, I'd see them making the deal with Love. The question now is what veteran PG is available that can play D and hit the open 3?

He needs to sit down with rose and melo and explain to them the art of winning, instead of throwing your hands up and giving up..

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I said this in another thread yesterday but you have to keep in mind what teams would have to take on if they trade for Melo which should give you an idea of why you shouldn't expect a big return for him.

He's about to hit 33 yrs old.
He's an offense only player (pretty much)
He comes with two more years and $54 million left and that's not including the trade kicker.
Any team that does take him is in win now mode and adding a player like Melo will definitely come with an adjustment period for the rest of the team
The only teams on his list (that we know of anyway) are teams that don't have the type of assets we would like in return of young players and draft picks (Clev, Clips)

We also need to remember that one of the biggest things we'd get in return from trading Melo is getting rid of those two years and $54 million which we could use and add to that the money we get from Rose and Jennings coming off the books. I understand that we all want as many assets that we can get from trading a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony but i just don't see a trade with the limited teams he'll accept a trade to that will get us what we would like. I'm not saying we won't get anything but bad contracts in return for Melo cause if Phil can show patience with trading him i would think a team would eventually step up and give us at least a 1st round pick for him and probably more but he would need to hold out as long as possible to do that.

I think you have to ask yourself if we're better off with or without Melo for the next 2 and a half years?
Are we better off going with a complete rebuild cause if we are then Melo has to go for that to happen?
Are you ready for at least 3 years of being an average to bad team which is at least the amount of years it will take to get the team respectful enough to start competing every night?

The best thing that could happen for us with this is Melo giving Phil more teams that he would accept a trade to. If he could put Boston, Washington and any other teams that have young players and draft picks to trade that would be big for us. If he doesn't add teams to his wish list then the only other thing that could happen that would help us to get a good return for him is if we can get a 3rd team in any deal with Clev or the Clips.

My biggest point in this is it's not all that bad if we don't get the kind of return we all would like for him cause just getting rid of the last two years on his contract helps us in a true rebuild.

So your saying the biggest reason we get rid of Melo, now, is to clear cap space? What happened to rebuilding? Getting draft picks? Making team better? Why not just waive him then? Phil would be happy. So we clear up 25M or so a year. Now what? We get two more guys like Noah and Lee for 25M. Then we bitch about them for the next few years? Seems to be like Phil's ego is so big he needs to reboot every time his cleansing does not work, because he cant face any bad decisions on his part. This will be his third time around for a reset. He has 2 more years, so how many more does he need? And pleas don't say, "yeah we got KP, WIlly and Kuz though". That was Gaines. And they have shown to be good but very inconsistent and have a long way to go before we crown them All Stars, starters or solid NBA players. And if we were going to tank three years in a row, why did we need Phil? Just higher really good international and college scouts.

Phil was doing two things at once. Giving it a go with Melo and some vets while also continuing to bring in youth and retain our picks and cap flexibility!!! People tend to keep forgetting these facts. Phil has maintained a degree of flexibility which other Knicks GM's failed to do. Who else did what Phil has in terms of keeping his options open???

Fair enough, so why did we need Phil for? Any GM could have cleared cap space. Not that hard to get rid of Tyson, Shump, JR, and now Anthony and get nothing in return. Nothing. Dont you have an issue with that? No issue with signing Noah for 17M? How is that helping our cap space? No issue with signing Rose for 22M or so? Instead of a couple of role players that could help KP and Melo better?

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Nalod wrote:Can't believe a thing until the deadline has come and gone.
A trade is a long shot.

Agreed. Melo not likely to e traded during the season.

I disagree. this is a prime year to move Melo to the cavs. they need to improve if they're going to seriously challenge GS, especially since they added KD. Lebron knows this and that's why he's going public

We'd have to strengthen their backcourt bench in the process. If we do, I'd see them making the deal with Love. The question now is what veteran PG is available that can play D and hit the open 3?

The cavs are not having trouble scoring, How does melo even fit into their offense. They will be in cap hell with, labron 30 mill, love 20 mill, melo 24 mill, Irving 18 mill, triston 20 mill..and a bunch of washed up role players..
Who wants 5 guys on roster taking over a 100 mill of the cap, and outside of labron, non if the rest are durable players.

Cavs said no. They are out of the Anthony trade talk.

NYKBocker wrote:

That other guy (not SAS) is really annoying- couldn't watch the whole thing!

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:If their is no other team willing to take ob Melo why would the CLips give the Knicks any picks? Also, their picks are locked up until 2021 when they know they will need to rebuild by then.

If we can't get picks for Melo, should we just hold onto him? I'm warming to that idea if the market is what it allegedly is. If so, hopefully Melo excerises his NTC and we're still able to tank the rest of the season.

If we can't get picks for Melo, then we keep him and trade other starters for assets/picks (i.e., Rose and Lee). That might just make Melo waive the NTC. If not, it will at least improve our lottery position thru better losing. It sucks to lose, but we're doing it anyway, so why not make the most of it.