Knicks · good read on the Melo thing with tons of direct quotes (page 2)
HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Melo is making the statement. Phil isn't saying anything about the Rosen articles. It could go both ways but one of the individuals involved is actually saying something. I give Melo's actual words a bit more weight but it is hard to understand how a front office could be pursuing things if a conversation didn't happen.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Maybe but it is a direct quote and a denial. Also, he did meet with Phil.CrushAlot wrote:Camelo Anthony says that he hasn’t really thought about moving to another team.
"I haven't told anybody anything," Anthony said of a reported "wish list" he's given to Phil Jackson. "I haven't had that conversation with anybody."
This is huge if true. How can you be engaging teams with the intent of moving Melo if he might negate the trade. Marks on a podcast the other day said there is no way you do that without a list and assurances from the player that he would accept a trade there.This is what players do, they say that THEY have not talked to management, but surely his agent or someone on his behalf could. It's the semantic game everyone plays.
Great. Rosen directly said he did not talk to Phil in regards to his articles. I am pretty sure you are not on the other side of the fence with that.
You believe Melo when he makes a direct statement but not Rosen? I have not talked about Phil or what he has or hasn't said to media, you brought that in for no reason.
What are you claiming Rosen wrote that people don't believe? And absolutely believe Melo. He has nothing to gain by lying. Already has his money, will get a kicker if he gets traded and doesn't give two turds what anyone else thinks on his position on a possible trade. Rosen? But again, are you saying that some don't believe Rosen's commemts were coming from front office and Phil?
all I am trying to do is get a read on Crush's opinion about what he believes when direct statements are made.
nyknickzingis wrote:I've gotten the sense that Phil is doing this for mind games more than actually trading him.
Since the trade talk the team has IMPROVED its play and Melo in particular seems to be playing with some fire.We need a real PG.
We need some défense.With Melo that's the case without him as well.
I've always been open to keeping him. Just get Rose far far away from the team if we keep Melo.
Knicks were 14-10 when Phil started this...
martin wrote:I brought Phil in because he hasn't made a comment but Melo is saying he didn't give a list. Phil could comment on that. He can chose not to. Rosen said they were his own views although they maybe congruent with Phil's views. I have to go with Melo on that.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Melo is making the statement. Phil isn't saying anything about the Rosen articles. It could go both ways but one of the individuals involved is actually saying something. I give Melo's actual words a bit more weight but it is hard to understand how a front office could be pursuing things if a conversation didn't happen.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Maybe but it is a direct quote and a denial. Also, he did meet with Phil.CrushAlot wrote:Camelo Anthony says that he hasn’t really thought about moving to another team.
"I haven't told anybody anything," Anthony said of a reported "wish list" he's given to Phil Jackson. "I haven't had that conversation with anybody."
This is huge if true. How can you be engaging teams with the intent of moving Melo if he might negate the trade. Marks on a podcast the other day said there is no way you do that without a list and assurances from the player that he would accept a trade there.This is what players do, they say that THEY have not talked to management, but surely his agent or someone on his behalf could. It's the semantic game everyone plays.
Great. Rosen directly said he did not talk to Phil in regards to his articles. I am pretty sure you are not on the other side of the fence with that.
You believe Melo when he makes a direct statement but not Rosen? I have not talked about Phil or what he has or hasn't said to media, you brought that in for no reason.
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Melo is making the statement. Phil isn't saying anything about the Rosen articles. It could go both ways but one of the individuals involved is actually saying something. I give Melo's actual words a bit more weight but it is hard to understand how a front office could be pursuing things if a conversation didn't happen.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Maybe but it is a direct quote and a denial. Also, he did meet with Phil.CrushAlot wrote:Camelo Anthony says that he hasn’t really thought about moving to another team.
"I haven't told anybody anything," Anthony said of a reported "wish list" he's given to Phil Jackson. "I haven't had that conversation with anybody."
This is huge if true. How can you be engaging teams with the intent of moving Melo if he might negate the trade. Marks on a podcast the other day said there is no way you do that without a list and assurances from the player that he would accept a trade there.This is what players do, they say that THEY have not talked to management, but surely his agent or someone on his behalf could. It's the semantic game everyone plays.
Great. Rosen directly said he did not talk to Phil in regards to his articles. I am pretty sure you are not on the other side of the fence with that.
You believe Melo when he makes a direct statement but not Rosen? I have not talked about Phil or what he has or hasn't said to media, you brought that in for no reason.
What are you claiming Rosen wrote that people don't believe? And absolutely believe Melo. He has nothing to gain by lying. Already has his money, will get a kicker if he gets traded and doesn't give two turds what anyone else thinks on his position on a possible trade. Rosen? But again, are you saying that some don't believe Rosen's commemts were coming from front office and Phil?
all I am trying to do is get a read on Crush's opinion about what he believes when direct statements are made.
I think Rosen wrote based on conversations he had with Phil. He said that they were his own views but they might be congruent with Phil's.
holfresh wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Maybe but it is a direct quote and a denial. Also, he did meet with Phil.CrushAlot wrote:Camelo Anthony says that he hasn’t really thought about moving to another team.
"I haven't told anybody anything," Anthony said of a reported "wish list" he's given to Phil Jackson. "I haven't had that conversation with anybody."
This is huge if true. How can you be engaging teams with the intent of moving Melo if he might negate the trade. Marks on a podcast the other day said there is no way you do that without a list and assurances from the player that he would accept a trade there.This is what players do, they say that THEY have not talked to management, but surely his agent or someone on his behalf could. It's the semantic game everyone plays.
Great. Rosen directly said he did not talk to Phil in regards to his articles. I am pretty sure you are not on the other side of the fence with that.
Phil keeps Rosen's livelihood going because he gives Rosen exclusives which people tend to read..Otherwise, Rosen is not a sort after writer. Rosen knows who his meal ticket is..I find it very difficult to believe he won't consult Phil before writing something that will clearly affect his team and his organization...
Rosen is 76 years old, author of 16 books and writes a bit here and there.
Maybe he is Phil's meal ticket. What does that change?
Phil, who does not speak instead has his message encrypted by another writer? Shut, the man don't want Melo. We don't if he ever wanted him, but its not as if it was not in the knicks best interest short term to retain him, and when the time came, Trade him. With restrictions. And not get a full value in return because he had that clause. If he plays well, knicks do well. if he plays well, knicks benefit. He plays well and they lose, he draws at the gate, and bide time on the court until assets can be obtained. He then can be traded for something. If he plays poorly, or gets hurt, then nobody wants him.
I'd say he has played well and the record speaks for itself.
Nalod wrote:holfresh wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Maybe but it is a direct quote and a denial. Also, he did meet with Phil.CrushAlot wrote:Camelo Anthony says that he hasn’t really thought about moving to another team.
"I haven't told anybody anything," Anthony said of a reported "wish list" he's given to Phil Jackson. "I haven't had that conversation with anybody."
This is huge if true. How can you be engaging teams with the intent of moving Melo if he might negate the trade. Marks on a podcast the other day said there is no way you do that without a list and assurances from the player that he would accept a trade there.This is what players do, they say that THEY have not talked to management, but surely his agent or someone on his behalf could. It's the semantic game everyone plays.
Great. Rosen directly said he did not talk to Phil in regards to his articles. I am pretty sure you are not on the other side of the fence with that.
Phil keeps Rosen's livelihood going because he gives Rosen exclusives which people tend to read..Otherwise, Rosen is not a sort after writer. Rosen knows who his meal ticket is..I find it very difficult to believe he won't consult Phil before writing something that will clearly affect his team and his organization...
Rosen is 76 years old, author of 16 books and writes a bit here and there.
Maybe he is Phil's meal ticket. What does that change?
Phil, who does not speak instead has his message encrypted by another writer? Shut, the man don't want Melo. We don't if he ever wanted him, but its not as if it was not in the knicks best interest short term to retain him, and when the time came, Trade him. With restrictions. And not get a full value in return because he had that clause. If he plays well, knicks do well. if he plays well, knicks benefit. He plays well and they lose, he draws at the gate, and bide time on the court until assets can be obtained. He then can be traded for something. If he plays poorly, or gets hurt, then nobody wants him.I'd say he has played well and the record speaks for itself.
Well that seems to be the narrative that everyone has bought into at the moment...Trading Melo won't mean a thing as long as Phil Jackson is trying to implement the triangle from the President of Basketball Operations office..He undermines his coaches, the team doesn't believe in the coaches he brings in because they can't implement their system...They don't have true autonomy...He only hires people who will listen to him...Rambis is his spy...It wears on the team psychologically..It isn't a healthy environment..I have been singing that tune for three years now...And he isn't really good at this current job to boot..But Melo is the heat seeking target, with a little help from Rosen, no surprise after Melo chumped Phil in the press after the "posse" incident...But the team seemed to have rallied around Melo...They should trade him tho, I'll like to see him get an opportunity to make a push to the finals on a better team..Meanwhile, the same thing will be happening here that I have been talking about for three years with Phil Jackson...He has underperform in his job and have evaded the scrutiny..Trading Melo will enable him to have a soft landing to the end of his deal with the Knicks..Someone will figure it out I guess...At least we have our picks is all I can be thankful for...I wonder if that was a Dolan mandate...